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This would make it very hard for me to vote for Kerry...

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posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by iceofspades
Personally I think Hillary is a good woman as well as a good politician. I would be happy to vote for both of them.


Ice are you kidding? Hillary is Insider Washington corrupt at its worst.
It is not a great year to be a voter. Im a California republican which would make me a democrat in most states. What are my choices? W with his ultra right wing christian conservative gonna take away the 1st ammendment group, Or Kerry, Im going to tax you to death, stifle free trade, etc etc

Our choices suck. We need "None of the Above" on the ballot.
Or better yet how about the Governator? (Just kidding)




posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 05:32 PM
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My sentiments exactly, we need to stop with this left wing right wing crap. We need someone smack dab in the middle as well. But some people would argue that this wouldn't allow for a majority to win the election, whether it be popular or electorate. So, its a predicament until we can think of some complicated system like the electorate is.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 06:20 PM
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originally posted by Bout Time

Huh?

The only straw that I can figure you're grasping at is that Hillary is a Moderate & that Kerry, in your opinion, is a Far Lefty?

She's been an outsatanding Jr. Senator. I happen to think my home state has the best pair in the business.


BT I would expect no less than for you to gush praise for Shumy and Hilda, go figure.

My family is from upstate and I honestly have to say it is depressing to visit there for any more than a couple of days simply because I know how much better off most other places are. So much for the job those two Senators do, glad I left when I did.

BTW the straw was the fact that Hillary has enough bones in her closet to out do the bonesman themselves plus the fact that her brand of socialism makes the entire field appear far right - hence she makes JK look viable in comparison but I must say it would humor me if she ran as VP.


[edit on 30-6-2004 by Phoenix]



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 06:25 PM
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I didn't realize senators had the much affect on one state. I thought they have to work with the rest of the senators. Maybe I'm wrong.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by FredT
What are my choices? W with his ultra right wing christian conservative gonna take away the 1st ammendment group, Or Kerry, Im going to tax you to death, stifle free trade, etc etc

Our choices suck.


All hail Fred for he speaketh the truth!

I have never felt more apathetic than this election year. Where are all the decent candidates? Where is my John McCain/Rudi Guiliani ticket?



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 06:49 PM
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I believe this has been so far the most confusing election year I have ever seen.

I swear I do not have a clue who to vote for yet.

I did vote for Bush in the last election. But there are things about Kerry that.. well what do we really know about him, his views, his agenda.. outside of the media hype?

We need more substance from both parties and less mud slinging.. There is way too much at stake in this election.. and it seems at some point we will be forced to choose the lesser of two evils... and that is not really fair or american.. Sorry just my opinion here.

Gazz



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by Phoenix

My family is from upstate and I honestly have to say it is depressing to visit there for any more than a couple of days simply because I know how much better off most other places are. So much for the job those two Senators do, glad I left when I did.

BTW the straw was the fact that Hillary has enough bones in her closet to out do the bonesman themselves plus the fact that her brand of socialism makes the entire field appear far right - hence she makes JK look viable in comparison but I must say it would humor me if she ran as VP.


[edit on 30-6-2004 by Phoenix]



You have a family?!?
Who? The Pyrex family of test tubes. What's wrong with Up-state New York? The lack of prostitutes, hucksters, gangs, etc.

New York State has perhaps the finest public education in the Country. I am not from N.Y. but I know sour grapes when I see them. What's your complaint with the poor backwards hicks up there? They don't share your "cosmopolitan" ideal. Please explain yourself.

What bones are you speaking of? Empty statements like your's are just that, bereft of content. Put-up or shut-up!



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 07:02 PM
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iceofspades,

LOL, nope I'm not a telepath.
But I knew you were going to say that.


Just observant enough to notice that when she speaks, to the "masses"
She... talks....real.....slow...
We are too stupid to run our own lives, so she wants to do it .

Condescending would be descriptive.

Her speech patterns are different during interviews.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by Jamuhn
WHile you are at it, why don't you explain why the electoral system is better than popular vote, especially in these days when state boundaries are virtually meaningless in the eyes of federal government.


I don't think the Electoral College is better..But thats our system, like it or not.

I also seem to remember that a number of news outlets checked out the Florida
recounts, numerous times in 2001 . Bush won the state, according to those involved.
NYT was one of the papers, CNN was involved as well..



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 07:11 PM
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don't forget about the ballots that were tossed because they were associated with felons, but florida wouldn't realize those to check validity.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
Why would anyone find it hard to "swallow" Hillary Clinton as VP of the United States? Where exactly is the problem - is it being tainted with scandals of a lower order than other politicians? Are her scandals not big enough to rank with the biggest and best VP scandals, such as Cheney's? Is she not corrupt enough?

Oh no, she is plenty corrupt. In fact, to tell you what I think of her would get me a little red warning!!
She is plenty evil, and I suspect was the real power for those 8 long, long years.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by UM_Gazz
We need more substance from both parties and less mud slinging.. There is way too much at stake in this election.. and it seems at some point we will be forced to choose the lesser of two evils... and that is not really fair or american.. Sorry just my opinion here.

Man, they have begun the slinging yet.
And, what happened to the good old days when you didn't even know the candidate until the convention? Now, we seem to need major entertainment names at the convention?
Politics has become the worst form of reality television.....scary stuff.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 07:53 PM
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I bet the dry cleaners are paying extra close attention to Hillary's suites..."Hey Bob, ya already starch thisen here?"



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 07:53 PM
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I truly hope that he does pick Hillary. I admire her, and I think she would do a great job. :-)



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by Phoenix

BTW the straw was the fact that Hillary has enough bones in her closet to out do the bonesman themselves plus the fact that her brand of socialism makes the entire field appear far right - hence she makes JK look viable in comparison but I must say it would humor me if she ran as VP.


[edit on 30-6-2004 by Phoenix]


If you want to talk bones, let's talk about Laura Bush accidently killing her boyfriend when she was a teen. LINK The Dems have been respectful and never mention it. If it was Hillary, it'd be on the radio everyday. People just love to tear her to pieces.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 08:12 PM
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Let's dial 1-800-WHAT-EVER.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by curme


If you want to talk bones, let's talk about Laura Bush accidently killing her boyfriend when she was a teen. LINK The Dems have been respectful and never mention it. If it was Hillary, it'd be on the radio everyday. People just love to tear her to pieces.


Why NOT dig into this? Why no citation? An accident causing death is a serious matter. This stinks of cover-up. Was Laura's family espesially wealthy, connected, etc.?


I'm still waiting for pheonix to detail the so-called "bones" in Hillary's closet.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 09:03 PM
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Bush has removed some of our freedoms. (Patriot act).

Please tell me exactly what freedoms you have lost because of President Bush.


Bush has turned the U.S. into a war mongering nation.

No, he just had the courage to do what prior Presidents did not have the stomach for, starting with President Carter. Terrorism is a world-wide problem which has to be dealt with now so our children and grandchildren can enjoy the life we enjoyed before 9/11.


Bush has changed our Armed Forces into a non volunteer force.

President Bush has not turned our Armed Forces into a non-volunteer force.
The only pending legislation that would make it a non-volunteer force is in both Houses of Congress introduced by Democrats.


Bush mislead us or at least did not do what a President should do and make sure his facts are straight before leading us into war. He did not do the leg work or have the patience to insure Iraq had WMD etc... before commiting our men and women to war.

Bush did not mislead the country, the decision was made after serious discussions with his cabinet members, NSA, CIA, DOD, FBI, Intelligence from other nations, and on & on. He is the President not someone with a magic crystal which reveals all truths. Has he made some mistakes, of course he has, everyone does, but you need to take into consideration that we were already at war with Iraq since 1991, Saddam signed a truce which he did not honor, UN Sanctions he did not honor, the war is justified in that respect alone.



Bush has caused a rift between the U.S. and several of our allies and probably spoiled a budding relationship between us and the Russians and the EU.

No President Bush did not cause a rift between our allies, The countries who were against our going to Iraq, were the ones who were knee deep in illegal money dealing associated with the Oil/Food program. So in this case I would say they caused the rift. Granted this is an ongoing investigation so I will respect your opinion but felt I had to voice mine.

Now, am I a republican?, No, I am an independent who is frustrated with the two party system, until we can get a legitimate third party on the ballot, things are not going to change in Washington.

How many elections will it take until something is done about, health care, social security, medicare, prescription drugs, education etc........Same story every election cycle...

Nov election?
Nader------no
Kerry----The man who wants to turn the War on Terror over to the corrupt United Nations,and turned on fellow soldiers during the Vietnam war, not a chance
Bush---- Stood up made the tough choices, risking his political life to ensure we Americans are safe......For this alone I have to say Yes....



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 09:23 PM
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Please tell me exactly what freedoms you have lost because of President Bush.


Uh...Invasion of privacy is now legal...I don't see how that could be overlooked, even by the saltiest of republicans



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 09:28 PM
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Well She did run the Country for 8 years


I actually read somewhere that she was not able to run for VP,...
If anyone else has seen this please comment, I will look for the link.

Well found one saying Arab press urges her to run for VP, wrong ticket though.
www.freerepublic.com...


The official press organ of Saudi Arabia says that US Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's trip to the Middle East shows she's planning to run for President in 2004. But ArabNews.com advises that if Sen. Clinton ever wants to win the White House, she should first run as Gen. Wesley Clark's Vice Presidential candidate.


Maybe it was Bill, I get the two confused


[edit on 30-6-2004 by TrickmastertricK]



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