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UPS902 Contrail Science plane theory debunked

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posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:34 AM
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reply to post by boondock-saint
 


I believe Oz.

He provides scientific data to support his claims...




posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:36 AM
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and I also know that a contrail
that's whipped around by 200mph
winds is NOT gonna retain it's
current shape all the way across
the horizon. It's gonna spread out
like whipped cream. The plume
does not do this in these images.
They were photoshopped for
an agenda.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:38 AM
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How do you know?

If you look at the weather data, the winds at the height that the cloud is likely to be sitting at, are coming from the south, just like the winds at the higher altitude, only slower. Unless you guys took this into account, and the curvature of the earth, then your argument is tremendously flawed. I look at the the sky every half hour on 12 hours shifts for my job. I dont like saying this, but Im pretty sure I have more of an idea than the average person



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:38 AM
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Originally posted by Pryde87
reply to post by boondock-saint
 


I believe Oz.

He provides scientific data to support his claims...

an image is scientific data too

and you will know it when you get a citation
in the mail for running a red light.

but our scientific data don't count
cuz we don't have a big long title by
our name. I say bull [snip].

the truth is the truth
no matter who shares it with ya
or what kind of credentials they have.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:38 AM
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And how do you "know" that?

I am no scientist but the contrail is part of that wind movement. When the high altitude winds blow, it is part of that wind and moves with it. Its not like the contrail is stationary and getting battered by these winds. Maybe Oz can explain it better than I can.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:40 AM
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Originally posted by Pryde87
reply to post by backinblack
 


First of all, you dont know what level the cloud is.
You dont know what speed it is travelling.
You dont know the height of the contrail.
And you dont know the wind speeds present at the contrails height.
And lastly, you dont know the other clouds are still.

Its a photo, you cant take all that information from that photo and base a theory on it. You need to research it better.

Them pics are posted on the contrailscience web site..
If it is the contrail of Flight 902 then the height would be 39000' and the wind speed 75knts.
There are 6 pics in the series that show the movement of the clouds.
The grey clouds move slowly right.
The contrail and the sunlit cloud move much faster left.
Heres the link, any more questions??
contrailscience.com...



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:41 AM
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Originally posted by OzWeatherman
the winds at the height that the cloud is likely to be sitting at, are coming from the south,

prove it !!!
don't just say it.

the cloud does not move at all
from pic 1 thru pic 5.

what are the freakin odds
of that happening with
winds surrounding it are 200mph???



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:43 AM
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Obviously you guys also missed the obvious statement, where they said they were overlaying images


By aligning the building on the horizon, we can overlay these images to see the path the plane takes





posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:44 AM
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My statement still stands, you dont know enough about the conditions to claim the things you do. I am not supporting the contrail science website, just pointing out that your claims cannot be supported.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:47 AM
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Originally posted by OzWeatherman
Obviously you guys also missed the obvious statement, where they said they were overlaying images


By aligning the building on the horizon, we can overlay these images to see the path the plane takes




No OZ, we looked at the originals


www.flickr.com...
edit on 17-11-2010 by backinblack because: link



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:49 AM
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Here's one OZ...Can you see any overlay???
www.flickr.com...



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:49 AM
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Originally posted by OzWeatherman
Obviously you guys also missed the obvious statement, where they said they were overlaying images


By aligning the building on the horizon, we can overlay these images to see the path the plane takes




if they were altered
then they are fake
for an agenda

to prove the plane theory
and it proves my point.
thanks



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by Pryde87
just pointing out that your claims cannot be supported.

you should have said
your own claims cannot be supported



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by Pryde87
reply to post by backinblack
 


My statement still stands, you dont know enough about the conditions to claim the things you do. I am not supporting the contrail science website, just pointing out that your claims cannot be supported.


No offence but just your opinion doesn't say much...
Prove or dissprove the thread but don't continually post nothing please..



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:51 AM
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Obviously we are on completely different wave lengths here, or you just disregarded the information I provided. But of course, what would I know about observing clouds, I only do it for a living


But anyway thanks for reminding me why I have been steering away from ATS as of late, and have fun living in your little fantasy world. Im done with this crap



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:52 AM
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when u alter photos and input things
into it and then base your theory on
the new additions

then it is FAKED and a hoax !!!!



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:53 AM
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Sorry OZ, I messed the link to the original pics we are using..
www.flickr.com...



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:54 AM
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It is not faked and hoaxed if he states that he has intentionally overlayed the photos to compare the movement of the clouds. He is not trying to trick you, its not like he has photoshopped anything in there, just comparing the photos.

This thread is getting quite ignorant



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:55 AM
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Originally posted by OzWeatherman
reply to post by backinblack
 


Obviously we are on completely different wave lengths here, or you just disregarded the information I provided. But of course, what would I know about observing clouds, I only do it for a living


But anyway thanks for reminding me why I have been steering away from ATS as of late, and have fun living in your little fantasy world. Im done with this crap


What different wavelenghs?
I'm just asking if clouds as you see in this pic should be moving at different speeds and direction..
Seems add to me..



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:56 AM
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This is getting stupid now. Another thread on this?!



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