Originally posted by Wolfenz
NoDOZ

There ya go. Any 8 year old can wander into any shop and buy that stuff.

How many kids, clubbers or ravers have ended up in the ER because they took too many of those or crushed a bunch up and sucked it up their nose?

One pill is something like 2 or 3 cups of coffee. That's already twice as much as in one of these gutrot drinks.

But where's the call to ban them? I guess they just arent the hip topic of the day.

NoDoz, sending kids to the ER for 50 years. 4loko, sending kids to the ER for a year.

Never mind that both are from gross over-consumption thereby making it the fault of the consumer and nobody elses.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by Wolfenz
NoDOZ

There ya go. Any 8 year old can wander into any shop and buy that stuff.

How many kids, clubbers or ravers have ended up in the ER because they took too many of those or crushed a bunch up and sucked it up their nose?

One pill is something like 2 or 3 cups of coffee. That's already twice as much as in one of these gutrot drinks.

But where's the call to ban them? I guess they just arent the hip topic of the day.

NoDoz, sending kids to the ER for 50 years. 4loko, sending kids to the ER for a year.

Never mind that both are from gross over-consumption thereby making it the fault of the consumer and nobody elses.

AND.... Thats were an Age Rating Label of Adults 18 Only on the Package... OF those PIlls and They Should be in Pharmacy's Only ! and Behind the Counter! .. but then again it not going to Stop LIttle ( Tommy or Tammy ) to go in to Mommys Purse or Daddy Wallet or the Medicine Cabinet to get them! but lets not Banned them for any reason or that Truck Driver! that take those long overhaul runs of Product that has a Time Schedule Beating the Deadline Clock, Sacrificing his Sleep so he can keep his Job & bringing those products like NoDOZ to your Local Big BOX Supermarket like Walmart for example ... its a godsend for a Truck driver to Use NODOZ Caffeine Pills Energy Drinks etc.. Why One of my Best Friends IS a Truck Driver that goes through that kind of life Style tho He works With Company that is Contracted to a Government Agency that Has Major Immediate Destination Deadlines and are Mostly Night Runs ! on Military Bases... You Know the Kind from a Manufacturing Company or a University to a Military Base .

ohh as i see your from New Hampshire as that state Sells Alcohol only at Beer Stores besides Bars ..
Something like what Canada Does if im Corrected ?

Originally posted by Wolfenz

ohh as i see your from New Hampshire as that state Sells Alcohol only at Beer Stores besides Bars ..
Something like what Canada Does if im Corrected ?

Beer and wine are sold everywhere. Gas stations, pharmacys, supermarkets, everywhere.

Liquor is only sold in state licensed liquor stores.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by Wolfenz

ohh as i see your from New Hampshire as that state Sells Alcohol only at Beer Stores besides Bars ..
Something like what Canada Does if im Corrected ?

Beer and wine are sold everywhere. Gas stations, pharmacys, supermarkets, everywhere.

Liquor is only sold in state licensed liquor stores.

Thank god for that.

If the government didn't supply us with Liquor, we would be forced to buy it from evil capitalist liquor store owners who want nothing more than to see their entire customer base die in the unholy fires of hell for all eternity.

Mnemeth has been catching a lot of heat in here. I mean, why wouldn't he? The short and seemingly insulting comments he makes will catch you off guard, as a matter of fact you might not even realize that he is absolutely right. All the compelling arguments were made pages ago (and when I say pages, I actually mean like 20 pages.) Now all that's left is people coming to the last page and going "Omg, they aren't banning caffeine in alcohol, just prepackaged caffeine in alcohol!" or "Dude, it's dangerous to mix uppers and downers!" I can't count the number of times I read those things this morning when this thread caught my eye. As an occasional drinker of Four Loko and Joose who is still alive, I have to say a few things... Who cares if I mix it or some guy at a factory does it for me, and what gives them the right or cause to care? If this combination is so bad (which I recognize that it is at high levels) why has no one ever stroked out after drinking two pints of Jager and three or four 24oz cans of Monster in a night? Before you say they have: Hey dude, I'm still here. No, it doesn't feel good in the morning. Yes it can kill you if you drink yourself into a coma with it. So can the Jager by itself. What's worse is at least they tell you what's in Lokos, this Monster can tells me among other information that I don't really care about, that it contains an "Energy Blend" of L-Camitine, Glucose, Caffeine, Guarana, Inositol, Glucuronolactone, and Maltodextrin, which altogether is 2500mg. What the heck does that even mean? But no, let's pick on the Energy Alcohol drinks because they're premixed. I can also walk in the store and buy Mad Dog 20/20 (13% alcohol) and some wake-me-up pills and mix those together (would it still count if I can do it before I get out of the store?), or waltz on over to the liquor store and pick up my pre-mixed margarita in a can, White Russian, or Mudslide, Sex on the Beach, Jello Shooters, etc, I could continue but I won't.

Another thing, I keep seeing this figure spouted off that a Loko contains an equivalent of 6 beers and 5 cups of coffee. First, I'm not scared of coffee. I've probably drank 7-10 cups in an hour or two before. Secondly, what kinda beer are they drinking?! I'm no mathematician, but try to follow me here. 24oz can, that's two normal beers. We agree on that. But if a normal beer has half of the alcohol percentage of a Loko, that leaves us with another x2, which equals 4. I don't mean to split hairs, but 4 does not equal 6, unless you're drinking watered down Smirnoff, and this is VERY apparent if you take into account that a person may drink two or three of these things. I've never made it past 3 in a night, haven't seen anyone do it, wouldn't recommend doing it. That being said, I know a guy that can drink a 24 pack of beer in a night. Again, wouldn't recommend it, and it'd probably kill Johnny the average freshman college student, but does that mean we have to ban beer too? Or maybe just the particular brand that my friend drinks, since obviously all the other brands are much safer.

It just seems to me like a lot of people with "good intentions" are being fooled by faulty math and especially faulty logic into thinking we should ban things which may not be good for us. And those who decide what's good and bad for us can't even make up their mind whether dairy is healthy, tell us marijuana is bad, push organic foods on us that make many people sicker than the pesticides on normal food, and guess what else? I took accutaine, so I could probably expect to develop Chron's Disease, Irritable Bowel Syndrome, or Inflammatory Bowel Disease or even freaking croak any day now according to the same quacks that pushed me into it a few years ago.

So, dangerous things that should probably be banned, some of which were mentioned earlier and some I use for effect: skydiving, drinking alcohol at all, drinking city water, walking through the woods at night, getting on a plane, taking over the counter pain relievers every day, using cellular phones, getting an x-ray at the doctor. I'm not saying burn loot and pillage, I'm saying use common sense. We are all given it at birth, and whether we choose to use it is on us. I've done plenty of stupid things but I'm still here and I've learned from them. Banning things NEVER stops the "problem," education does. Don't be an idiot. You probably wouldn't chug liquor, wine, or Mad Dog (unless you were me a few years ago), so don't expect to do it with a Loko just because it comes in a can instead of a bottle. A couple years ago we had to prevent alcohol poisoning and alcohol abuse in teenagers. Did we? Yeah, sure, the same way we cured the Bird Flu by not talking about it anymore (blown way out of proportion for someone's benefit?). Then we had to stop teen smoking and I really don't see fewer young people with cigarettes; now one particular brand of alcoholic beverage which is not dissimilar to any mixed energy shot is going to kill us all? I'm not buying it. Look around people... Pretty soon your congressman will be telling you that only red boxers are allowed on Wednesdays, and you people will line up and come up with reasons why black, white, and yellow boxers are bad for you on Wednesday. Really people, moderation is the key and no amount of legislation will fix stupid. You can't stop me from doing something if I want to bad enough, and if I'm hurting no one but myself then who are you to try? Mouth's getting a little dry from laughing at some of these comments... I'll take that cup of water mixed with razor blades now, as long as it's clearly marked.

This is not an infringement of your rights. This act of banning Four Loko is exactly what the Food and Drug Administration was created for. It should have never gotten past them in the first place.

If the FDA was doing its job, you would never even know of Four Loko.

I've tried it. It's a really powerful drink, and very dangerous. Mainly because it doesn't taste like alcohol, and the combination of alcohol and caffeine give the drinker the illusion that they are not drunk while giving them alertness while being drunk...causing them to do really stupid things or overdose on alcohol.

However, it's okay to serve a drink like "Absolut Idiot" (vodka miked with red bull) at a bar, because a good bartender will usually know when to cut a person off if they've had too much to drink. There is no such safeguard with Four Loko, which is sold over the counter, sometimes to minors.

I'm drinking a Four Loko right now, about to open my second one. Just thought I'd let ya'll know.

This stuff is so good it should be illegal!

Originally posted by againuntodust
I'm drinking a Four Loko right now, about to open my second one. Just thought I'd let ya'll know.

This stuff is so good it should be illegal!

Ha ha!! Hilarious.

Good things are usually illegal when the government can't control it...like marijuana.

Thank you dumb college kids for excess and drawing unwanted attention to beer/caffeine. lol

Same thing happened with ephedrine.

it's sort of just a knee jerk response to drinks like 4loko and joose that along with a few other chemicals besidee caffiene, makes you effing mad after 2.

there is no beverage that should do this to you, something this unhealthy deserves to be illegal.

I feel as though to argue against the OP's points puts me in the position of defending the FDA. I am not really a cheerleader for the FDA. The idea of it is understandable as a necessary evil in a world where corporations have way too much control over our intake of various foods, drinks and medicines.

Nevertheless, the FDA is corrupted by BigPharma, GMO and other corporate lobbies. Thus, it is understandable that people like us don't want to see the FDA controlling what we put in our body since it can be seen as the corporations putting an arbitrary review board in place to rubberstamp anything that comes down the pike with enough money attached to it.

So, we see herbal, time-trusted medicines with the label "These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA" and things like Lipitor, Darvaset (sp?) and beef from cows that ate parts of other cows passing inspection quite easily.

All of the above being the case, I still do not see the point of attacking this little piece of legislation, assuming it is legitimate. Caffeine and Alcohol are normally not two drugs I would mix, at least not in any situation than casually drinking a few beers with dinner and then going for coffee with friends (or vice-versa). However, it is true that many drugs interact in a bad way, even when the quantities on their own might not be that harmful.

I imagine, if you drink several shots of espresso and a bunch of hard alcohol, it's probably not good on your heart and thus not good on you in general.

In my opinion and it is just that. We SHOULD be allowed to ingest any substance into our "own bodies" that we want, no matter how ridiculous the combination of substances or how ridiculous the reasons that we do it may be. It is not the federal government nor anyone else's place to tell us otherwise..it's called "personal choice". If the fed gets rid of these beverages then they will just get replaced by another beverage or another substance. People will find any means that they can to get wasted and whacked out for what ever reason. This move on the behalf of the FDA does not and will not change anything, the same way the "War On Drugs" did squat. Humans have been getting stoned and drunk on all types of things long before "government" or "government intervention" ever even existed..so this is nothing more than a sordid power-play to take a little bit more freedom out of our lives. And sure, you can wax philosophical and give examples of how these "alcoholic energy drinks", and those who consume them, have done this or caused that, but they are not the root of evil. They are no more responsible for the chaos and mayhem that they cause than the individuals consuming them, it's like blaming a bullet for blowing someone's head off, yet the government isn't trying to outlaw ammunition are they? It's just another example of some "special interest group" paying an ass-load of money for the opportunity to flex their muscles and throw their weight around and hoping, in the process, that they can make a difference. Most likely because their son, daughter, niece or nephew, had some sort of "experience" with these beverages, whether it be death or embarrassment, and now they feel like an example should be made of these companies. But you know what? Regardless of the circumstances, the product is not the problem, it is those who BUY and PARTAKE in the product that are the problem, as well as their personal control issues. Johnny or Suzy may appear to be great kids until they get a hold of something that they have no business messing with, but it is their "personal choice", not the federal government.