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Would You Allow These Two people to Touch Your Junk?

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posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:13 PM
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Odds, I love odds and statistics. Let me put this into perspective, there are many shall we call them "urban" areas in my neck of the woods. Go to ANY bar in said "urban" areas and your odds of being killed are MUCH higher than in a terrorist attack. You know what SOME of these bars do to prevent that?? They wand you down, that's it, a wand, nothing more nothing less. Guess which bars are safer?




posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:21 PM
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Please delete my post.
edit on 17-11-2010 by Phenomium because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by mryanbrown

Originally posted by RestingInPieces
If you want the liberty to get on a plane where nobody is checked, then rent or buy a plane and give away seats to random people who you don't know, announcing to everyone aboard that nobody will be checked for anything.


LOL! Because it's not like their are economic sanctions in place that make it nearly impossible to provide private flight for yourself or others. If you fly, you follow FAA 'guidelines'. It's that simple.



Because everyone believes the "right to travel" only means walking. But the "right to speech" has been infinitely elaborated on beyond it's scope.

What if I want to exercise my right to visit China? How can I get there? Walking? No. Oh I know! An automobile, those travel across the oceans right? Oh no, wait. You need a boat or airplane to get to china.

But I don't want to travel on a boat for 3+ weeks! I would like to get there using ordinary means of the time (flight). So the only reasonable way to travel to China is with an aircraft, yet it's not my right? So how can I have the absolute right to travel?

Oh that's right, my rights have been circumvented with administrative procedure which can't be legally enforced upon me, but should I wish to exercise my right, I must forgo another right.


You are ignorantly confusing rights with means. The government may give you the right to travel, but they aren't going to give you a car nor an airplane.

Basically, what you are saying is that you want an affordable way to get to the moon.

You are exactly ridiculous.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:25 PM
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Uh, the government doesnt give anyone rights.

Hopefully that was just a typo and you dont actually think that.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:25 PM
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No, I do not think the government endorses predatory "junk-touching".

I do think that "The People" DO NOT endorse the Patriot Act,
which cedes "The People's" right to privacy. The government,
through subterfuge and deceit, passed the Patriot Act on its own
without scrutiny. It is a bill that should never have been allowed to
pass. But "We the People" were not asked our opinion. Government
officials contrived this bold slap to our constitution with little
debate.

What we are facing if we do not act is a real-life 1984 scenario.
Your liberty to be human is being slowly eroded...by degree.
With a pervasive media enhanced zeitgeist of follow the leader
firmly in place. IF YOU STEP OUT OF LINE OR DISAGREE,
YOU ARE A TERRORIST.

This idea of conformity is being force fed to us thru the media,
and it is being force fed to our children in public school.

It is happening so slowly that it is hard to notice, but one day
all liberty with be gone.

That wouldn't be so bad if we ALL agreed that it was a good
idea. Sadly, this idea of a powerful few. The few with the money,
power, and ability to see their conceited idea of humanity,
controlled and lorded over by themselves, thru to fruition.

Question everything...Resist every inroad against your liberty.
That is the TRUE test of a a patriot.

Patriotism is not blind conformity. It exists in the minds of
courageous men of original thought. Those men may not
always be correct, but I'd rather live by a consensus
of the courageous than by the dictate of a greedy few.


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posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:30 PM
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Yeah same thought, here.
But if you were wearing a speedo, would that still count as indecency?

Or if that makes you nervous, could just walk through a scanner with clothes on BUT have something written on your body like "If you could read this , suck it!" "Like what you see pervert!" and other lines like that...

Pat downs? Sure, only if I get a good pass on you in return... 20 dollars will get you a lap dance...

And how did these people pull this off? Really do wonder on how it was done..
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posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:30 PM
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To answer the questions posed by the OP:

NO! I would not allow either of the pictured individuals to grope my genitalia or those of my wife, children or grandchildren. In order to accomplish this we, individually and as a family, will not fly commercially under any circumstances. On those rare occasions when it is absolutely necessary to fly somewhere, I rent an appropriate size aircraft and fly it myself. If more people were to make that choice the airlines would soon beg the government to dismantle the TSA (or we would all be saddled with yet another "bailout" - this time of the airline industry).

As for the fatwa condemning pat downs of muslim women, the only reasonable response is a resounding "WHO CARES?". Fairness doesn't enter into the discussion. Such a decree is the equivalent of a Papal letter decrying the groping of nuns. Both only apply to those who are members of a particular religeous group and carry no weight whatsoever with the TSA.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:36 PM
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How is it coercion when you freely by the ticket at your own expense? When you can freely choose whether or not you want to be patted down? There is no one forcing you to get on their plane.

We can travel by plane if we want, but even if we take our own jet, we still have to follow rules in the air. We can use a friends jet! Our own little propeller, too! Just because we have the right to travel how we want doesn't mean it's taking our rights away when we choose a specific person to do the work for us and they have rules to protect them and us. WE PAY FOR THEIR SERVICE FREELY, WE SHOULD OBLIGE BY THEIR RULES. Let's just spend millions of dollars on a plane and not take one single precaution to ensure they stay flyable.... Ha.

We give them the money, they make sure we aren't capable of killing anyone on the plane, and we're allowed to fly on their plane. Don't like it? Go fly your own. It's literally that easy. You still have the right no matter what.

It's not just terrorism that makes security tighter, it's the random people who know how to put a home-made bomb in their shoe and coming very close to blowing up the plane. Let's let a passenger bring a few bottles of "water" on the plane, and then find out it wasn't water because there's no more plane.

Or just let everyone on the plane, NO SECURITY CHECKS AT ALL, and see just how many people fly.

Like the deer analogy, you can move out of the way, or get hit by the car. You have the freedom to choose.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander

You know the same "you can just stay home" argument applies to you. If you are so scared of dying that you feel our Constitution, the defining feature of the US, should be trashed to make you safer, just dont fly. Drive, and you can screen all your fellow passengers any way you want to.




I just thought we might need this part of your post on this thread again. Maybe again later.

MOTF!



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:42 PM
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Funny you should mention writing on your body. Quite some time ago somone on another forum asked how this could be accomplished. It occured to me that there is a safe, non-toxic chidrens "toy" that would be the perfect medium for such a stunt. It's called "Glitter Glue"!! (Tiny bits if metalic glitter suspended in a clear glue). That should show up bright and clear on any type of scanner and, when worn beneith clothing, it is not viewable to anyone but the scanner operator so you can get as creative (read: obscene) as you wish without fear of retribution. Just have someone paint on the message before getting dressed.

Of course, that would require actually submitting to the scanner equipment, and I'm not convinced that the joke would be worth the chance of permanent genetic damage...but it would be funny as all get out! LOL



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:51 PM
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No what I'm saying is, if I want to travel to the moon it's my right to. And if the government has imposed economic sanctions to make the only available means through a government regulated entity, then they must respect my right to utilize the transportation means unabridged.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by BigTimeCheater
reply to post by RestingInPieces
 


Uh, the government doesnt give anyone rights.

Hopefully that was just a typo and you dont actually think that.


For practical purposes "Giving" or "Not taking away" have no different meaning. The difference only exist in the philosophical context and we all know well that philosophy does not translate well into reality.

People give themselves rights and people guarantee their rights in a society. This is the very core of what a government is. Some guarantee their own rights better than others, and some can't guarantee or protect their own rights at all hence the many many forms of government.

The Bill of Rights was worded, written, and signed by men. It wasn't declared upon high by God unto Moses, and it wasn't cited from an Angel to a prophet, lol. The bill is proof that such rights aren't given by a god, or by nature. The rights are in no way naturally protected - but created entirely, adopted as important to the life and livelihood of a society, and protected by a body of people formed into government.

They were created as base rights, that the men who have helped formed this government, and who have become this government decided that all men should have (excluding blacks, immigrants, women, etc...).

In fact, the government (beginning as a group of people with the goal of creating a governing body) gives you rights by the very means that it defines that such rights even exist to be had. What this means is that if the founding fathers had no good need to give the freedom of speech to people because of a greater propensity for totalitarianism between them, then the concept would probably not exist as a right in our present day society.

Why fight for your rights when you assume they are guaranteed and protected? It's because you've been brainwashed by the government.

It's really you who are the sheeple. Wake up from your dream.

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posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 08:01 PM
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You can't please both sides of the coin. People don't want to be searched thoroughly but they want to the safest airports in the world.

How do you achieve that title if people don't want you to search any passengers?

Since this is a violation of the constitution how do you guys suppose they could find any hidden weapons and such? If they removed the right to search thoroughly would you guys become upset if another tragedy strikes?



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by Gnarly
reply to post by mryanbrown
 


How is it coercion when you freely by the ticket at your own expense? When you can freely choose whether or not you want to be patted down? There is no one forcing you to get on their plane.

We can travel by plane if we want, but even if we take our own jet, we still have to follow rules in the air. We can use a friends jet! Our own little propeller, too! Just because we have the right to travel how we want doesn't mean it's taking our rights away when we choose a specific person to do the work for us and they have rules to protect them and us. WE PAY FOR THEIR SERVICE FREELY, WE SHOULD OBLIGE BY THEIR RULES. Let's just spend millions of dollars on a plane and not take one single precaution to ensure they stay flyable.... Ha.

We give them the money, they make sure we aren't capable of killing anyone on the plane, and we're allowed to fly on their plane. Don't like it? Go fly your own. It's literally that easy. You still have the right no matter what.

It's not just terrorism that makes security tighter, it's the random people who know how to put a home-made bomb in their shoe and coming very close to blowing up the plane. Let's let a passenger bring a few bottles of "water" on the plane, and then find out it wasn't water because there's no more plane.

Or just let everyone on the plane, NO SECURITY CHECKS AT ALL, and see just how many people fly.

Like the deer analogy, you can move out of the way, or get hit by the car. You have the freedom to choose.


Here we go. Start losing an argument by having facts thrown in your face and turn to ignorance.
No one is stating not to have any security checks at all. Who said that? No one was complaining about the TSA or the safety precautions that have been in place. Not many anyway. Not like the outrage that is going on now with the new procedures.
Get rid of the backscatter porno booths and let up a little on the pat downs. There is no need to sexually assault someone or force them into jumping into a possible cancer causing, kidney affecting, DNA altering, fetus destroying porn machine.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 08:06 PM
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Just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean you can just use something that doesn't belong to you. Just like we don't have the right to use American Airlines planes for our means of travel, because they are not our property. They have a right to protect their property how they see fit. They don't know who you are, nor can they just simply trust you. Millions of dollars are at stake for them. Put yourself in their shoes, because they have lost planes before, and having the credit for allowing that to happen must surely suck, and would probably make people lose their jobs.

Edit for didtm: Who is forcing you to get cancer and have your fetus's destroyed by a porn machine?
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posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 08:16 PM
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What has happened to the United States? it looks like the terrorists may have succeeded, except we are now terrorized by a different group, the TSA. A couple of facts about the TSA

1. the TSA has never caught a terrorist
2. the TSA lied about the imaging scanners - images can be saved and stored

All the preventative measures they are using are reactionary, its a little too late after the horse has left the barn.
no box cutters - after box cutters were used on a plane
limited shampoo & liquids - after liquid explosives were discovered
take off your shoes - after the shoe bomber
imaging scanners - after the underwear bomber
None of these measures will stop anything. After each attempt is made, the next attempt is different. The people that wish to do harm will stop at nothing to succeed, at the same time we are giving into every new crazy regulation.
I personally have no reason to fly anywhere, I have traveled to many countries before all this nonsense started.
I came to the United States in 1974 and boy has it changed.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 08:47 PM
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My vote for who could "touch my junk".

My wife (obviously)

Nigela Lawson

Any hot red head

Scully off of Xfiles

Kate, Ziva, or Abby off of NCIS

Sara or Bristol Palin


Of course it would have to have a "happy ending"


Short of someone on this scale? Nope. I'll take a Zero on that test thank you!



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by felonius
I'll take a Zero on that test thank you!


I'm flying into the US...ironically...on Opt Out Day,. I have to pass on the scan due to radioactive implants...my $32 cancer cure (but that's another thread). I promise to report back.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 08:58 PM
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I think everyone should just be required to be naked throughout the airport like one big nudist colony.

Problem solved.



posted on Nov, 17 2010 @ 09:20 PM
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I wonder if they could charge you with anything if you took your own oil, and tipped them to do an extra good job.

Preferably a "happy ending"



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