Would You Allow These Two people to Touch Your Junk?

I like how very few people actually know what they are talking about, and the rest will call you dangerous because you don't mind being touched, or that you're mentally ill and other stuff. Let's just claim everyone a threat because we are the ones that really live in fear, while people who don't care about being searched can live life freely, not living in fear.

I guess some of you forget the staggering number of people on this planet, and the staggering number of people in the US, something like over 300 million? With something like 7 billion people on this planet, do you really think people won't try to do something very dangerous? For those of you who say a terrorist hasn't been caught, where is your proof? It would be asinine to say these security measures hasn't stopped a single incident from happening. The fact that they are there will prevent people from taking that route to screw things up. But no, we don't want security checks, we want our rights, because getting patted down when you have a choice means the US is going down the drain.

And anyone who says these pat downs allow dudes to finger a chick really need to do your research, cause what you think is completely wrong. It's same sex, something you could easily find out if you had put just a little effort into doing some actual research.

* Pat-downs are conducted by same gender officers * All passengers have the right to request private screening at any point during the screening process * Anyone has the right to have a traveling companion present during screening in the private screening area.

In their blog

If you think the privatized security in airports are a bad thing, try being forced into a privatized mental health institute, or a privatized detention facility, where you rights and freedoms literally are taken away, and nobody gives a f*** about you. Try being subjected to a plethora of medicines that you have never heard of, and mix them so you can "get better" and end up dying because of some quack. If you guys have ever truly had your rights taken away, you would realize it. When you LITERALLY have no choice is when your rights are being taken away. That's the stuff you should be focused on.

I also wonder how many people who claim these pat downs are sexual assault have ever been truly sexually assaulted.

reply to post by Gnarly


If I could give you a star and flag I will.

A riot is an ungly thing... undt, I tink, that it is chust about time ve had vun.

Honestly? That chick in the bottom image? yeah, i would let her. But not if it was her job. I will not fly until the TSA is either reigned in, or abolished altogether.

reply to post by Gnarly


Gnarly, you've clearly been linked to a citation defining sexual assault and yet you claim that it's not sexual assault. And as you clearly stated the ratio of Americans to the world populace. There are far too many to police. You can't stop a determined terrorist attack, especially a well planned one (or inside one can I get a 9/11 Amen). So it's not worth worrying over "what if" at the loss of personal freedom.

Hey if you're happy being scanned or pat down, that's fine. But your will does not determine mine or others. And if you ignore one right, you might as well ignore them all. And should you even try to agree with that, I think you've said more than enough to convince me of the type of person you are.

Originally posted by mryanbrown
reply to post by Gnarly

 

Gnarly, you've clearly been linked to a citation defining sexual assault and yet you claim that it's not sexual assault. And as you clearly stated the ratio of Americans to the world populace. There are far too many to police. You can't stop a determined terrorist attack, especially a well planned one (or inside one can I get a 9/11 Amen). So it's not worth worrying over "what if" at the loss of personal freedom.

Hey if you're happy being scanned or pat down, that's fine. But your will does not determine mine or others. And if you ignore one right, you might as well ignore them all. And should you even try to agree with that, I think you've said more than enough to convince me of the type of person you are.

edit on 18-11-2010 by mryanbrown because: (no reason given)

I don't worry "what if", I know there's the chance. There's a huge difference between the two. You can decrease the chance by doing certain measures, as any tactician would do. You create less of a weak spot so that it takes more effort to get through. That is why there are security measures, because any smart tactician does not make a mistake. A lot of CEOs, CFOs and whatever else there is do read The Art of War so they can run more efficient business. It sucks when certain ones overlook human lives when looking for efficiency, but the fact remains: there is a chance there that can be manipulated. Clearly in this case, human lives being saved is the whole entire case for this. The only way for us to find out is to take out the measures, and would you like to find out?

I wouldn't mind a pat down, because it's not infringing on anything. I don't feel sexually violated, so in your terms of the 4th, that doesn't abridge my rights. What rights am I ignoring again?

Cool job bro. You made a pass at my character. We can surely assume who someone is through text.

reply to post by Gnarly


"What ifs" are chances. It's not a guarantee, it's a possibility. And like I said, you are not everyone else. Just because you are fine not exercising your right to be secure in your person doesn't mean others are.

You want others to succumb to your will in order for you to feel you curb the possibility/chance/what-if of a terrorist attack.

In a price to benefit ratio, the price of forgoing your right to be secure in your person doesn't curb the risk of a terrorist attack at all. As shown with the recent "attempts" where the bombs were sent as packages.

Originally posted by Gnarly

And anyone who says these pat downs allow dudes to finger a chick really need to do your research, cause what you think is completely wrong. It's same sex, something you could easily find out if you had put just a little effort into doing some actual research.

* Pat-downs are conducted by same gender officers * All passengers have the right to request private screening at any point during the screening process * Anyone has the right to have a traveling companion present during screening in the private screening area.

I've heard tell that some Catholic priests did same sex pat downs in private screening areas. That should not make anyone feel all warm and fuzzy regarding the delusional and incompetent methods of Janet Napolitano. Much to her discredit, this is not even her idea. This was brought about by former U.S. Department of Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff having recommended the scanners, leaving the government and going to work for the scanner manufacturer. Follow the money. Feel up every actual citizen and leave the borders wide open, brilliant!

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Plus, I would prefer it to not be same sex! I don't want some burly dude with his hands up in my crotch, and a feminine man is even more icky! I'll take a female please, can I request that as well?

I get massages from time to time, and I have tried to let males massage me and it is not relaxing. It is uncomfortable and odd. I'm not saying it has to be a pretty female, and there doesn't have to be anything sexual in nature, I just don't like men touching me that way. I can give a "bro hug" and I can hug my Dad, I have even given a friend a big ol' smooch to be funny, but I don't want to be "caressed" or "fondled" by a man.

Originally posted by mecheng
I flew out of Milwaukee yesterday and was just praying I wouldn't be called to go through the naked body peep show. I wasn't. But after going through the metal detector, I was putting on my shoes, and there was an elderly gentleman who must have refused the peep show and was consequently subjected to the feel-up.

I watched the whole thing because I was interested to see whether the feel-up was as bad as everyone was making it out...

1) The whole time, I felt terrible for the old coot. You could tell he was embarassed and sort of ashamed. His wife was sitting by watching as well and you could tell she was embarassed as well.
2) I'll admit the TSA guy was very professional. There was no yelling, or calling out "I'VE GOT A PAT DOWN HERE!"
3) He did pull his pants out a bit, look, and felt inside the waist line of the pants.
4) He felt-up the old guy... all over.
5) He felt him up a couple times along the inside of his thigh and up to his crotchial region.
6) He then - and I did not expect this and didn't know this was part of the enhanced feel-up (maybe its now super-enhanced) - took the back side of his hand and gently patted down the front of his pants between the crotch and waistband... basically where the old guy's junk is stationed.

After watching it all, I will say that I don't ever want to fly again. I was lucky to not have to go through that. But I guarantee one thing - my kids will never go through the peep-show booth and they will NEVER get molested by the T&A thugs. I'll be driving everywhere for now on.

This Is Outrageous!!!!!! Enough is Enough and Something Must Be Done!!! We Must Call our Senators and Congressmen and Complain!!!!!

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
I will not fly until the TSA is either reigned in, or abolished altogether.

Agreed! 100%
Star for you

Originally posted by Big Raging Loner
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That about sums it up for me...

I believe that picture violates the Child Protect Act and is considered a form of child pornography. I would suggest you remove it immediately.

reply to post by Thunder heart woman


God bless you lady. You've summed it all up perfectly.

MY daughter will be a "John Conner", NOT PARIS HILTON!

Originally posted by Gnarly
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Can you please explain to me which rights are being taken away? You don't have the right to travel on their planes, you have the right to do commerce freely. You are buying their service, and in order to get the full service, you must oblige their rules. You can choose not to buy their services and take your own plane if you want, they wont scan you then. Please, which ones are being taken away?

I'll field this one Lady.

4th ammendment - unreasonable search and siezure.

They are using machines that may be harmful, they are taking a sovereign citizen and treating him as a criminal without cause. The (anti) Patriot act has done NOTHING for security but plenty to erode rights.

Elements of the Sixth - "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense. "

We are being treated as criminals without us first having commited any crime. If we question the governments authority, they threaten us with law suits. When are these people being presented with evidence of wrong doing? where are the witnesses?

Remember the line from the airport "you gave up your rights when you bought a ticket"? Was that in the fine print?

The Ninth - "Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Constitution.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people"

This one may be the most important.

If my wife and I want to go visit Germany, we should be able to without being assaulted. My daughter should be able to do so without her first "sexual encounter" being with an asshole from the TSA.


You sir, are entirely too easy to control. You will make a fine drone.

Reading through this thread I was nearly sick reading the #e spewed forth by the government shills and lowly servants of the elite who do not suffer these indignities themselves. It is alright for us plebs to suffer the loss of our 4th amendment rights just to go from place to place on a plane. You do not see the legislative class or the corporatist elite deal with this it is only we small business owners and such to have to submit to this so called screening.

For those of you who feel this is all just fine and dandy I ask you. What if a terrorist sticks an explosive up their backside and takes down a plane? Would it not just be prudent to give every passenger a body cavity search to ensure your safety?

For those miserable boot licking dogs who will do anything to feel safe I say to you you deserve neither liberty or safety. May you have neither if that is your choice. I just hope and pray that you spineless supplicants of the growing police state are in the minority and those with half a brain and a full spine can out vote your kind in the next election cycle.

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HAHA, oh my gosh. Did you just say Paris Hilton? Wow, you guys really like to hate, don't you?

If you were being treated as a criminal, you would have to go to court. You're not being treated as a criminal, yet as a customer. It does not require me forgoing my right to the 4th if I don't feel violated, according to the linked definition of sexual assault.

And for wayouttheredude, you really love to hate? Talk about only insult, no intelligent arguments at all. You remind me of a preacher.

reply to post by wonderworld


Hi wonder,

No, we don't have junk - we have a magical inside world!

Yey! Rejoice!

Originally posted by Gnarly
reply to post by felonius

 

HAHA, oh my gosh. Did you just say Paris Hilton? Wow, you guys really like to hate, don't you?

If you were being treated as a criminal, you would have to go to court. You're not being treated as a criminal, yet as a customer. It does not require me forgoing my right to the 4th if I don't feel violated, according to the linked definition of sexual assault.

And for wayouttheredude, you really love to hate? Talk about only insult, no intelligent arguments at all. You remind me of a preacher.

Could you please link to a post in which you believe you have made an intelligent argument?

I have yet to see anything close to intelligence in any of your posts.

reply to post by Gnarly

And for wayouttheredude, you really love to hate? Talk about only insult, no intelligent arguments at all. You remind me of a preacher.

Love to hate? My emotional state does not sink to the level of hatred.

No intelligent argument? Read through my post again.

For those of you who feel this is all just fine and dandy I ask you. What if a terrorist sticks an explosive up their backside and takes down a plane? Would it not just be prudent to give every passenger a body cavity search to ensure your safety?

That is my argument. I think you fail to comprehend where this continuous ratcheting up of the police state will inevitably lead.

I remind you of a preacher. Well I guess that is the righteous indignation in my words that you mistook for hatred.

reply to post by amc621


Are You NUTS ?? Or Just Stupid ??, This Violates Our Rights As Stated In The 4th Amendment !,
If Anyone Just Walked Up To You, Would You Let Them Pat You Down ?? I Think NOT !!, You Would
Scream "Sexual Assault"!!. WAKE UP !!!.

I don't fly often but am planning a trip soon. I am outraged that this is allowed to occur. This is definitely a violation of our rights. I don't like the paternalistic approach the US government is taking with regard to our rights as people.
I understand our security as a nation is important but also don't believe our rights as its citizens should be stripped away either. There has to be a point in which our government is told enough is enough. I for one am fed up.