Intelligent LIFE Throughout The Cosmos

reply to post by RKallisti


Well if you think Roswell is the smoking gun that's your opinion. This isn't the thread for that so I'll digress

Furthermore, not all Extraterrestrial Beings possess the same degree of knowledge/intellect. Some aren't that far more advanced than Humans. So yes, they also make mistakes.

Eh no. Not buying that for one second. Zero errors are possible in a society that uses convergent thinking. Humans use divergent thinking.

Divergent thinking is a thought process or method used to generate creative ideas by exploring many possible solutions

Divergent_thinking

This process has enabled us to compete amongst ourselves and (over millions of years) evolve the ability to understand anything at all. As the laws of our reality stabalize as knowledge is claimed, a society would find less and less use for divergent thinking.

Once all the fundamental principles are understood and the maximum available power source is located, then a civilization would use convergent thinking to ensure maximum safety and effenciency towards accomplishing whatever task such a (hypothetical) civilization does. Especially considering the kind of fundamental sciences and energy sources they would have access to from being such an old technical civilization (keep in mind our technical civilization is only a few hundred years old).

The very first civilization in the galaxy (keep in mind the galaxy is 13 billion years old) to rise to "ultimate power," would install a "galactic system." There is no going into space and hitting the warp drive Capt Kirk style. If you want to "really go into space" (the moon doesnt count), you'd have to go through the galactic club so to speak.

In other words, if Roswell is real, then "the aliens" purposely crashed an object there.

Originally posted by RKallisti
The problem lies when people start looking at more technologically/spiritually advanced beings as some sort of "Gods". They are not your saviours in any way. Each humanrs his own saviour. There's no need to look up for others to come and save your Soul. Just look inside of you and there you have your Micro-Cosmos, which is a reflection of the outer Macro-Cosmos.

You're SO right, that's EXACTLY why they [the ET's] are not interfering with us, we have to be our own 'saviours'. Know thyself. We have to look into ourselves and evolve, 'better ourselves' so to speak, no godly 'saviour' can do this for us. Only we can. That's exactly the point when the Christian churches fail. There's no 'saviour' who can do this for us, this is simply a lie, we have to do this on our own.

Uhm, sorry for editing, l'm still a newbie here.

reply to post by Scramjet76

This process has enabled us to compete amongst ourselves and (over millions of years) evolve the ability to understand anything at all. As the laws of our reality stabalize as knowledge is claimed, a society would find less and less use for divergent thinking.

Once all the fundamental principles are understood and the maximum available power source is located, then a civilization would use convergent thinking to ensure maximum safety and effenciency towards accomplishing whatever task such a (hypothetical) civilization does. Especially considering the kind of fundamental sciences and energy sources they would have access to from being such an old technical civilization (keep in mind our technical civilization is only a few hundred years old).

Yes, it is possible for a "society" (group of like-minded individuals, in this case) to converge. Actually, many ETs have done that. It's known a forming a "Social Mind Complex", in which a certain degree of interconnection between the members is achieved, thus thoughts and experiences are shared and a level of intra-telepathy is accomplished; therefore, they can all efficiently work/cooperate together towards a same goal.

And some Humans are moving into that direction as they approach/transition into the so-called 4th Density.

The "problem" (if I may use that word) with your thinking is that you're throwing all Extraterrestrials into the same bag. They are ALL different. You get them in an assorted variety of colors, shapes and forms, each with different interests and objectives in mind; as well as different degrees of knowledge/understanding/opinion about Life and the Universe (emphasis on that).

So it would be a mistake to think: Humans on one side and (ALL) ETs on another.

The very first civilization in the galaxy (keep in mind the galaxy is 13 billion years old) to rise to "ultimate power," would install a "galactic system." There is no going into space and hitting the warp drive Capt Kirk style. If you want to "really go into space" (the moon doesnt count), you'd have to go through the galactic club so to speak.

13 billion years old is what scientists have speculated and have mutually agreed on. Time is irrelevant. And "ultimate power" is only a concept, an ideal - and a quite subjective one.
However, I do understand what you're trying to convey. And there is already in existence a variety of "Galactic Systems" operating right now.

In other words, if Roswell is real, then "the aliens" purposely crashed an object there.

I must still dissent on that. That UFO incident was an error (not the intention) of the ETs involved in it.

Or.. maybe not.

Alright, I'll give you credit for that. I don't know if there was a greater mind with a greater purpose working behind the curtains on that particular little incident; so, although it seem unlikely to me, maybe they did plan it beforehand (to get shot down and crash).

reply to post by gnostician


Thanks for sharing your thoughts and welcome to the thread (and the Forum), gnostician.

reply to post by RKallisti

However, I do understand what you're trying to convey. And there is already in existence a variety of "Galactic Systems" operating right now.

You're not getting it. How else can I explain it...

How about this. Think in terms of our civilization. Who holds the power? The US? Russia? China? Private banks? Oil companies? Certainly, any and all of those could be "correct" from certain perspectives. They all have one thing in common though. None of them are easily going to give up their power. Once you relinquish power you subjugate yourself to the whims of others. Would a casino voluntarily give up their rules/advantages just because someone from another country (not familiar with poker) came into the establishment? No.

This is what I'm trying to convey. The first civilization to rise to power would likely have absolute control. And their would be no reason to relinquish that power to a lesser species. No reason what-so-ever. This is what is called hierarchy and it is the backbone of our civilization and our universe.

reply to post by Scramjet76

This is what I'm trying to convey. The first civilization to rise to power would likely have absolute control. And their would be no reason to relinquish that power to a lesser species. No reason what-so-ever. This is what is called hierarchy and it is the backbone of our civilization and our universe.

You're absolutely right about that. Except that it is not the backbone of the Universe. You're just looking at the partial picture. All Life throughout the Cosmos could be reduced to 2 means and ends of living: Service-to-Self and Service-to-Others. And you're only looking at StS individuals/groups.

Now, the reason why we use the terms Service-to-Self and Service-to-Others (StS and StO from now on) in reference to the Negative and Positive aspects of the Duality of the Infinite Creator is simply because Humans tend to think in terms of action and ethical basis.

The social organization of StS is based in internal competition for power, resources and dominion (thus, although they may work together, they are always divided amongst themselves). Whereas StO tend towards sharing that which they have and/or receive, and seeks unity amongst its members.
Thus, the social structure of StS is hierarchic, just like you said. We may picture a pyramid to give us an idea; it is made of different tiers/echelons, where the one on top oversees and rules over the ones below. While that of StO could be likened to a network system where every point/knot/thread is harmoniously interwoven between each other.

StS seeks to control all aspects of self and others via various forms of coercion, domination and subjugation, to the infringement and detriment of others' Free Will (many times believing that imposing its laws and restrictions is being done for the "better good"). On the other hand, StO sees freedom as one of the most important principles of Creation and therefore, respects Free Will and does not seek to impose limits or determine what is "best" for others - specially if it goes against the Law of Free Will.

I don't want to deviate too much from the subject at hand here, but let me give you the following example:

In the center of the Galaxy there is a supermassive Black Hole. This Black Hole acts as a centrifugal force that attracts, absorbs and drags everything around itself towards itself (more crudely put, it devours/swallows/feeds from the immense amounts of energy generated by the Galaxy around itself); while the Galaxy spirals around this Black Hole and continues to radiate and expand itself ever outwards (i.e. away from the Black Hole).

So you may now see how the Galaxy (a conglomeration of millions of Stars, Planets and Moons) is a macro-cosmic representation of a StO group; while the Black Hole is a macro-cosmic representation of a StS individual. And this is exactly how StS and StO work at micro-cosmic levels as well (e.g. at a planetary and intra-personal level).

Radiance of Light (within Darkness) is the work/purpose of StO soul groups, while absorption of Light is the work/purpose of StS entities (thus, resulting in Darkness).

Every Soul (or Souls Group Complexes, ultimately) work/serve as Energy Sources themselves. Only that StO generates/radiates energy outwards, thus reaching other points of origin (other-selves); whereas StS consumes/absorbs energy, thus reaching only one point of origin (it-self).

A key factor to take into account here is that of gravity. The Black Hole absorbs/attracts while the Galaxy continues to radiate/expand. If it weren't for this opposition/conflict of both forces (Negative & Positive), the result would be absolute disintegration and stagnation (i.e. non-exisence and non-progress).

In other words, without Light (Positivity) and Darkness (Negativity) the Universe itself would literally come undone (i.e. turn back to Nothingness).

This shows the dynamic relationship between the two forces and how the two are in fact one in their mutual relationship with each other.

From a Cosmic viewpoint, both sides are absolutely necessary. The Law of One.

Bottom line is, yes, the Powers-that-Be of this world are completely bent on a Service-to-Self agenda. But that doesn't mean other Worlds follow the same fate. And this doesn't mean the tables can't be turned around here either.

I hope with this we may understand things a little bit better.

EDIT: Darkness is Light compressed and drawn unto itself.

If the plasma life forms including those intelligent exist they must be the primary related to the organic life forms and they must have something common with them concerning the matter of the minds. Don't forget what Jesus said in the Gospel of Judas.

My only wish is that some time in our lifetimes, we can finally say "told you so" to skeptics, without a doubt in our minds.

The sceptics don’t deserve the truth and their reality is too limitited:

www.intuition.org...

To a great extend it very well fit my theory how the thing in us works, but there
is something more to it and it needs of its material carrier. Every free thinking
man can reach the level of perceptions necessary for the full understanding of
the reality even if he is alone among the fools. "They" are here because they
are and we have to learn about them whatever it be because there is no other
possible right reflection of the reality. Everything else is BS.

RKallisti:

I just scored an 85 on the so-called "Wanderer Quiz".

It would explain a lot.

Unfortunately, it's extremely hard to be a wanderer - especially this day in age. Seems there are a lot of things to discredit us and make it even harder (cough - the Orions).

Btw, please don't let this thread die!

reply to post by realitydiscovered

If the plasma life forms including those intelligent exist they must be the primary related to the organic life forms and they must have something common with them concerning the matter of the minds. Don't forget what Jesus said in the Gospel of Judas.

I would love if you'd explain that a little bit clearer.

Originally posted by impaired
Unfortunately, it's extremely hard to be a wanderer - especially this day in age. Seems there are a lot of things to discredit us and make it even harder (cough - the Orions).

And why would you need to be credited for it?

I don't think I get the Orion part. But whatever the case, "Negatives" do nothing wrong - well, that is if you can look at things from the greater universal cosmic perspective.

Btw, please don't let this thread die!

I wouldn't. But it's not entirely up to me. If we can't get a symbiotic feedback, a reciprocal teach/learn relationship, then there's nothing I can do.

I don't go around shoving it down people's throats. I don't preach, I don't seek to convert. I only offer. But if they don't want it, I don't give it (and that is for good reasons). It's that simple.

Coming here and starting this thread was like an experiment for me. There are things that sometimes (95% of the times maybe?) can't be shared or talked about with the common folk (i.e. ETs, UFOs, "God", the Universe, etc). But when I came across this site it was not by coincidence or chance or luck, and I knew what I was meant to do. So I did. Of course, this was not without any risks, for I had done a little surveying on the site, the topics, and the usual reaction and predisposition of most ATS users prior to starting this thread. Thus I knew beforehand what I could expect to find. However, putting my expectations aside, I was divinely indifferent as to the reaction of ATSers as long as I accomplished my purpose. However, I was confident that I would have a good result out of it all.
Not surprisingly, at first I was met with the usual antagonism from the part of some ATS users, but then things begun to calm down and we actually started to get things rolling more smoothly.
However, if truth be told, many of the more substantial exchange I've had has been via personal messages between me and people who contacted me (many of which haven't even posted on the thread). The thread served as a catalyst, a stepping stone, a beacon for the Seeker.

And I am glad we could achieve that.

By no means am I neglecting this thread, but I am not going to constantly BUMP it if nobody's there. As I said before, this is a reciprocal work that is founded in reception and participation; so if I don't get concurrence, I cannot respond in return.

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you."

So if this thread now dies, then it has served its cycle. And for that I am more than grateful. However, if it remains standing, then that means that its purpose is not yet fulfilled and so it must remain for a while longer.

Be as it may, Namaste!

Originally posted by RKallisti
reply to post by realitydiscovered

 

If the plasma life forms including those intelligent exist they must be the primary related to the organic life forms and they must have something common with them concerning the matter of the minds. Don't forget what Jesus said in the Gospel of Judas.

I would love if you'd explain that a little bit clearer.

It is connected with the dark matter hypothesis. As well as the dark matter
is responsible for the forming of the galaxies it has to be responsible for everything
else sensible and it has a negentropic character IMO. You must go through all
these explorations and compare them with all known from the ufology and the parapsychology:

www.enlightennext.org...

www.esolibris.com...

tgd.wippiespace.com...

dapla.org...

www.darkfieldnavigator.com... I personally tend to it.

twm.co.nz...
He didn’t answer me to my questions, hence they work upon it.

Here can be mentioned also Wilhelm Reich and that the Russian mainstream scientists
already openly speak about the material character of the thoughts as proved.

reply to post by realitydiscovered

That information was indeed very interesting.

It somewhat correlates with my own knowledge/understanding of "darkness" and "light".

Basically, "energy" and "matter" are in fact the same thing in a different level of density/vibration/frequency. Keep that in mind as we go along...

You have the whole color spectrum scale to attest for that: red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet. It is known that the brighter colors are of higher frequency (shorter wavelength) and the darker colors are of lower frequency (longer wavelength). It is no coincidence that the seven energy centers known as Chakras are also made of these colors, starting from red at the Root Chakra and ending with violet at the Crown Chakra.

Not only color does have a frequency/vibration, but also sound. Take an octave in a piano: do, re, mi, fa, sol, la si. Seven tones again, and the lower one is "denser" than the higher one which is "lighter".

These seven "levels" are also manifest through the seven Densities of Existence/Reality; in which case planet Earth and its Human inhabitants are currently residing in the 3rd Density moving into the 4th now. Transitioning/Ascending from one Density to another is indeed a matter of energy frequency and vibration, a matter of "tuning/tapping into" the Higher Density.

And that is why Existence itself in the lower Densities appears to be much more material/solid/compressed/coarse than Existence in the higher Densities, which is more ethereal/vaporous/released/subtle. When Light (Life) "descended" into Creation it started off at a more "material" level of Existence, and as it progresses up ("ascends") it becomes more and more "ethereal". Not only awareness/consciousness/perception changes and expands, but also the "bodies/vessels". That is why Higher Entities are Beings of Light, and the higher up you go the less you need a "body/vessel", because the less compressed and the more dispersed matter is.

Materiality = Ethereality, same thing in a different level of density/vibration/frequency.

This is also why Entities from a lower Density of Existence cannot see Beings from higher Densities. It's all simply because they are "vibrating/resonating" in different frequencies. This is like tuning in a radio or changing channels on a TV: unless you are in the same station or channel as they are, you wont see them, hear them, or perceive them. Again, it's a matter of consciousness/awareness; the more your consciousness is expanded, the greater level of Reality it will encompass, thus the more you will be able to see, perceive and understand.

Ultimately, all is Energy, and Energy is Life (Prana, Vital Force). Light is the result/manifestation of Energy radiated/expanded whereas Darkness is the result/manifestation of Energy absorbed/contracted. Both aspects of the Duality/Polarity of Creation.

Contrary to popular belief, Darkness is not the absence of Light - that is only seemingly in appearance.

For example: Negative "Malignant" Entities if you will - or Service-to-Self Entities - are basically Light-Eaters, Devourers of Light that draw Energy unto themselves. The cosmic representation of the higher echelons of STS Entities is the Black Hole (Black Sun), which, not coincidentally is the heaviest, darkest matter in the Universe = Light drawn and compressed unto itself. Whereas, Positive "Benevolent" Entities if you will - or Service-to-Others - are Sources of Energy that radiate Light ever outwards, or non-ego-centrically, expanding towards all corners of the Universe and reaching all Sources of Energy (including Negatives).

This also explains why there are Black Holes in the center of the Galaxies: it is for a completely ego-centrical reason, to literally feed from the Light of the Galaxy around itself, to draw Energy unto itself, thus becoming more and more dense as it goes along. Once again, it's all a matter of density/vibration/frequency, which shows why Black Holes are so dark, dense/heavy and slow (regarding mobility). That is why darker more material things have a greater gravitational pull/force than, well, lighter more ethereal/subtle things that just fly and float and expand freely through the Cosmos.

But anyways, there's a lot more to this than what I say. I just wanted to keep things simple here.

Bottom line: Light/Color/Sound = ENERGY.

Originally posted by realitydiscovered
The sceptics don’t deserve the truth and their reality is too limitited:

Would you like to qualify that comment?

Please explain to me what you think a sceptic is. It certainly isn't about having a limited reality. A sceptic is somebody suspends judgement or maintains doubt until there is enough evidence to end the doubt. Without scepticism, new theories or ideas would be accepted before we can have much confidence in them. Surely you would prefer to KNOW something is true BEFORE taking it as gospel?

Having said that many so called sceptics forget to be sceptical of their own point of view. They often demand much greater levels of proof of the ideas of others than ideas of their own. Also many people think to be a sceptic is to just not believe something regardless of the evidence - which is simply ignoring the facts NOT being sceptical.

As for having a limited world view... I am a sceptic. I want to know the truth. I have dedicated untold hours to move in that direction. My world view, and that of many other sceptics, is plenty big enough to share with E.T.

I have lots of very good reasons to think E.T. is and has been around for a while now. However I cannot prove all of my reasons so I can't nail it down just yet. I am also aware that there is a possibility that I have been deceived and so I have to suspend judgement until more evidence puts paid to the doubt.

Assuming they exist, are they friendly? I imagine some are, some are indifferent and some see us as a danger to ourselves and possibly them. Who knows, some of them may even be our kin or creators. We've all heard the saying 'to fight like brothers'. Lets hope they're more like the mother whose child can do no wrong...

I like ideas which give a birth to new ideas. He has no doubts because he already knows,
supposedly much more than he says in his articles:

jointreconstudygroup.blogspot.com...

The old reality so well comforting a part of people is cracking and the deadline for the
breakthrough is coming. I’m sorry you didn’t drive the discussion to its hotspot, stay
with your doubts.

Originally posted by RKallisti

Not surprisingly, at first I was met with the usual antagonism from the part of some ATS users, but then things begun to calm down and we actually started to get things rolling more smoothly.

I apologize, as I was one of those to jump on the OP early on in this thread I think. i have thoroughly enjoyed it since, another way to look at things I guess...thanx...

I am newish to ATS and have enjoyed reading the stuff here, this has been a really good read and I just want to add that I have always believed there is abundant life in the Universe just as there is on earth, infact there are Astronauts that have been to space and have seen what they believed were life, I have learned this through others on ATS and did some research.

Quote from Colonel L. Gordon Cooper (Mercury-9 and Gemini-5 astronaut) addressing a United Nations panel discussion on UFOs and extraterrestrials in New York in 1985.

“For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists and astronauts. I can now reveal that every day, in the U.S.A., our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public.”


Quote by Edgar D Mitchell. (Apollo-14 Astronaut)
“The U.S. Government hasn’t maintained secrecy regarding UFOs. It’s been leaking out all over the place. But the way it’s been handled is by denial, by denying the truth of the documents that have leaked. By attempting to show them as fraudulent, as bogus of some sort. There has been a very large disinformation and misinformation effort around this whole area. And one must wonder, how better to hide something out in the open than just to say, ‘It isn’t there. You’re deceiving yourself if you think this is true.’ And yet, there it is right in front of you. So it’s a disinformation effort that’s concerning here, not the fact that they have kept the secret. They haven’t kept it. It’s been getting out into the public for fifty years or more.”

Quote from Neil Armstrong
“We have no proof, But if we extrapolate, based on the best information we have available to us, we have to come to the conclusion that ... other life probably exists out there and perhaps in many places ...”

How can anyone still deny that there are some sort of UFO`s in space is beyond belief, the only people that have had the privilage to enter space have said that there is something there.

Star and Flag.
Thanks

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