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You speak of rights and yet you have no clue what they actually mean. You speak of rights held by citizens - and, yet, illegal residents do not have citizenship rights. It would, therefor, be very important to be sure you can verify your status as a citizen if you wish to cite these rights that you are entitled to.
LEGAL IMMIGRANTS HAVE RIGHTS!
People that come here legally have freaking rights, don't you understand? They have every right you or I have, you don't have to have your freaking papers on you at all times, this isn't Nazi Germany, If you are a citizen of this country, you have every freaking right that a person that is born here has, this is my argument.
But you have made it clear that you don't care if they came here legally or not, you have made it abundantly clear that because they are Latino, to you, it doesn't matter if they were born here, or immigrated legally, to you they are illegal because that is the new racial epithet that you can use against anyone with brown skin.
To you, these people, these American Citizens have no rights because of the color of their skin.
I genuinely do not understand this statement. Do people become citizens after residing in America for seven years, even if they are there illegally?
The Supreme Court has never explicitly ruled on whether children born in the United States to illegal immigrant parents are entitled to birthright citizenship via the 14th Amendment, although it has generally been assumed that they are. A birth certificate (a.k.a Certificate of Live Birth for children born in certain states) issued by a U.S. state or territorial government is evidence of citizenship, and is usually accepted as proof of citizenship.
In the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), the Supreme Court ruled that a person becomes a citizen of the United States at the time of birth, by virtue of the first clause of the 14th amendment of the Constitution, if that person is:
* Born in the United States
* Has parents that are subjects of a foreign power, but not in any diplomatic or official capacity of that foreign power
* Has parents that have permanent domicile and residence in the United States
* Has parents that are in the United States for business
To become a naturalized United States citizen, one must be at least eighteen years of age at the time of filing, a legal permanent resident of the United States, and have had a status of a legal permanent resident in the United States for five years less 90 days before they apply (this requirement is reduced to three years less 90 days if they (a) acquired legal permanent resident status, (b) have been married to and living with a citizen for the past three years and (c) the spouse has been a U.S. citizen for at least three years prior to the applicant applying for naturalization.) They must have been physically present for at least 30 months of 60 months prior to the date of filing their application. Also during those 60 months if the legal permanent resident was outside of the U.S. for a continuous period of 6 months or more they are disqualified from naturalizing (certain exceptions apply for those continuous periods of six months to 1 year). They must be a "person of good moral character", and must pass a test on United States history and government Most applicants must also have a working knowledge of the English language. There are exceptions, introduced in 1990, for long-resident older applicants and those with mental or physical disabilities. This requirement for an ability to read, write, and speak English is not regarded[who?] as too difficult,[clarification needed] since the test requires that applicants read and write in English.
When you place collective security before individual rights, you are a fascist. It's nothing to be ashamed of. It's just a fact.
don't think that there is a "solution" to the "problem" of immigration in Arizona. For one thing, Arizona is land that was seized from Mexico after the Mexican-American War. It is Mexican land that they were forced to surrender to the United States of America.
Thus, unofficial jobs are created.
Third, I do not think that the legal attacks on illegal immigrants will work. They cannot be enforced without arousing the ire of the People by unjustly discriminating against Hispanics. The legal challenges to these laws will succeed in the end.
"Several months after the law was applied, it's possible to observe a lower number of Hispanics in that area of America. We estimate there are 100,000 less Hispanics compared to the start of 2010," said the report by the private BBVA Bancomer foundation, released at the two-day Global Forum on Migration and Development, in the Pacific resort of Puerto Vallarta.
Fourth, the influx of illegal Latin American immigrants, combined with the 14th Amendment, means that the southern states will become increasingly "Mexican." The children of migrants that are born in Arizona will be American citizens.
They will increasingly support Latin American cultural initiatives within the USA. They will work towards a synthesis of USA and USM cultures. Eventually, the borders will disappear and the North American Union will appear.
Obviously, all four of these processes are already underway. Latin American migration waves are breaking down the boundaries between the nations of North America. In time, 'illegal immigration' will become a non-issue.
Originally posted by Redwookieaz
Great. Just what my beloved home needs now. A bunch of stupid nazis running around getting in trouble. That is not the association I want people making in their heads after watching the news. Arizona=nazis. Ridiculous.
All the more reason to be capable of verifying you are a legal citizen.
I have made it clear that if you are a citizen of this country, it is your responsibility to have a legal form of ID on you at all times that establishes you as a citizen.
Let us imagine that we live in an alternate universe.
With the Wall complete, it was now impossible for the hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens still in America to leave.
Most did not want to get deported for fear that they would lose everything that they had gained in America.
Many of their children had been born in America, and for some this proved to be a blessing, as they could now remain in the country. Those without children had to remain on the move, to avoid being caught in immigration sweeps.
Anxious to be rid of the illegal aliens and their 'anchorbabies,' in 2008 the electorate had demanded the repeal of the 14th Amendment.
It is now 2010 in that universe. Hundreds of thousands of illegal (Latin) Americans still reside within the United States. Unable and unwilling to leave, they were forced to rely on underworld connections to survive in America. Deprived of American identities, they were forced to use increasingly sophisticated counterfeit ID. Many began studying American accents so that they could lead a normal American life under a false identity. Many others were unable to fit in with normal American society, especially the children that grew up as nomads. They were unable to make a living through honest, legal means. These enclaves of illegal Americans began to run underground economies and politics parallel to the citizens'. Their culture became a mixture of American customs and the customs of the various countries that they had originated in. They constituted their own, hidden government of the Latin Exile; an Exilarchy. (I hope you can see where this parallel leads).
These are not really changes to the status quo. Rather what has changed is the population of the criminal Hispanic population in the United States. Their numbers have swollen thanks to the enormous number of illegal Americans trapped in the United States. Now the drug cartels and the gangs and the syndicates get stronger. They can afford better legal support than ever before; they can hire Hispanic American legal centers to challenge laws and to lobby Congress. The leaders of these syndicates and the leaders of the Exilarchy will have their voices heard louder and more clearly than ever. They will get what they want if they are persistent.
You see, in both worlds the borders were opened.
In our world, the border will open because of the changing sympathies of future generations of Americans.
If you are a legal citizen, there should be no reason the police have to question whether or not you are a legal citizen.
The "reasonable suspicion" is not justified, there should be no reason that the officer had any suspicion whatsoever. Therefore, seeing as how the "reasonable suspicion" in the case of a legal US resident was not justified, it then is a violation of that person's 4th Amendment right to be secure in their personal papers and effects.
No, you don't have to have your papers on you at all times, even when driving, if you are pulled over without your licence to drive, you have 24 hours to produce it. You do not have to have your papers on you at all times, this is the United States, not Nazi Germany.
Because a large number of countries, including Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the United Kingdom and the United States have no national identification cards and because of the widespread use of cars, driving licenses are often used as a de facto standard form of identification.
Many European countries, New Zealand and Canada require drivers to produce their license on demand when driving. In such countries, the driver must always carry their license on them when driving. In the United Kingdom, it is not necessary for drivers to carry their driving licence while driving. However, if stopped, a driver may be required to produce their licence at a nominated police station within seven days. The police issue a form for this purpose, colloquially known as the "seven-day wonder" or a "producer".
Some European countries require adults to carry identification at all times. A driving licence is not necessarily valid as identification in every European country.
(d) Certificate of alien registration or alien receipt card
Every alien in the United States who has been registered and
fingerprinted under the provisions of the Alien Registration Act,
1940, or under the provisions of this chapter shall be issued a
certificate of alien registration or an alien registration receipt
card in such form and manner and at such time as shall be
prescribed under regulations issued by the Attorney General.
(e) Personal possession of registration or receipt card; penalties
Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times
carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate
of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to
him pursuant to subsection (d) of this section. Any alien who fails
to comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of
a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined
not to exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or
You are not stopped because the officer thinks you are an illegal (unless, of course, you are a known illegal or seen purchasing counterfeit IDs, crossing the border illegally, etc). The officer can't stop you because he/she thinks you are an illegal.
20 B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES,