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Neo-Nazis Rally For Arizona Immigration Law

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posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 09:40 PM
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A Neo-Nazi march held in favor of Arizona's SB-1070 immigration law in Phoenix over the weekend was disrupted by equal rights activists in what quickly devolved into a mob scene. Members of the National Socialist Movement were heavily outnumbered by protesters who confronted the Neo-Nazi parade on its way to the federal courthouse. Police arrived in riot gear to separate the two factions, a move that was followed by multiple injuries and the arrests of two protesters who threw rocks at officers.

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I received this little gem from my friend on facebook. What do any of you who do or don't support the immigration law have to say about this news? I have another friend Michael who is democrat supports this law. Which I believe he would have a different expression upon seeing this article.




posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 09:43 PM
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Bottom line is, we need to protect our borders.

I don't need a stinkin nazi to tell me that.



posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 09:45 PM
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reply to post by Socratic Method
 


agree with the first reply.



posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 09:58 PM
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Most of the time these are staged events to stigmatize something, like Hal Turner. Soros is probably behind this somewhere(lol) or not lol.



posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 10:01 PM
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No actually according to fox news, Glenn Beck organized the nazi rally



posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 10:10 PM
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The MSM will have a field day with this, lump those of us against illegal immigration in with the nazis. Lets's not talk about the problems illegal immigration causes, let's try and discredit people genuinely concerned about whats happening to this country.



posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 10:35 PM
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Well that doesn't really help now does it? Arizona is at its wits end trying to enforce the laws that Our Federal
Government should be Automatically taking care of. That is what we all pay for on April 15th Every Year.
Obviously certain factions within The International Corporations are making a boatload of profits by influencing Our Federal Government to not enforce its well written and documented laws . Evidently,Arizona's share of the profits these days aren't quite balancing out with the long term hassle. Gee ya think?....So Arizona Gripes.
Then,,, the plot thickens. The current plot is to undermine the reputation of Arizona.

What better way than to fire off the racist gun. Standard Operating procedure.

Now the Dangerous Closet opens. Arizona, due to years of first hand experience and connections, could decide
to perform the infamous 180 on steroids, and collaborate with the mysterious entities of the Southwestern Desert. If you think the Phoenix lights were news, hold on to your hats. This intelligence would be unprecedented
in nature.Congress would be scrambling, and finally earning their self voted raises for sure.

There is a great deal more going on here than meets the eye folks.........Stay Tuned.

edit on 15-11-2010 by Wildmanimal because: Typo

edit on 15-11-2010 by Wildmanimal because: Typo Correct



posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 10:43 PM
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All the PC multi-nationalism just is not working, it's destroying the country... we need to protect our borders, and If a bunch of Idiot skin heads want to protest, more power to them, they are Americans, and have that right...



posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 10:50 PM
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True, but it has more to do with defamation of character than it does legitimacy.

Regards,,,,Wildmanimal



posted on Nov, 15 2010 @ 10:58 PM
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Exactly, discredit the opposition and deflect attention from the real issues. Straight out of the mainstream media handbook.



posted on Nov, 16 2010 @ 12:29 AM
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They don't need to lump it in.

We already know that a large amount of people opposed to immigration are primarily white, middle-aged males.

The Nazi rally only reinforces this.



posted on Nov, 16 2010 @ 12:30 AM
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We all can't live in a lily-white world where minorities are relegated to cotton-picking or women serve their husbands all the time.

That didn't work either.



posted on Nov, 16 2010 @ 01:51 AM
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This is an ironic post and I will explain why I say such a thing.

The supporters of the Nazis were not all eugenicists and anti-semites. The National Socialist German Labour Party had a broader platform than their leaders' obsessions with racial 'hygiene.' The name of the party alone should indicate this. Many reasonable Germans supported some plank or another of the NSDAP platform. They were certainly not the majority of the German population but they were a vocal and active minority.

The supporters of Arizona's immigration laws are likewise reasonable, ordinary Americans. They have reasonable concerns like border security and job security. The open support for the law comes from a vocal and active minority of the population.

The problem that this law's opponents have with this situation is that it is similar to the situation preceding a fascist revolution. Their suspicions are confirmed when they see that, mixed among the ordinary Americans supporting the law, there are people with race-based ulterior motives. Neo-Nazis standing up to support this law only confirms their bias.

The irony of Rynoceros' post is that he discredits people genuinely concerned about what's happening to their country. The ordinary supporters of the Nazi party had reasonable concerns about their country's future and their sentiments were hijacked by dangerous political agents. The same thing could well happen in Arizona (bizarrely enough, Nazis are directly involved in both cases). The concerns of Arizonans and Germans are equally valid, whether or not they are associated with the Nazi party (this assumes that those concerns have any truth value. If they don't, then the concerns of Arizonans and Germans are equally invalid).

tl;dr version: This is a sign that a fascist revolution is a-brewin'



posted on Nov, 16 2010 @ 02:09 AM
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Great. Just what my beloved home needs now. A bunch of stupid nazis running around getting in trouble. That is not the association I want people making in their heads after watching the news. Arizona=nazis. Ridiculous.

I agree that something must be done to limit the influx of illegal aliens but I also am against any more damn statutes period! Their are already way too many reasons for people in a supposedly free country to get pinched by the government/man.

The real answer may be to stop those who would employ illegal aliens. Stop hiring them and they will go home. Also legalize and regulate drugs. Then the influx of illegal immigrants would stop.

Of course the government would never legalize drugs for many reasons. Like they get to steal billions of our money for their phoney drug war. They get make even more since they actually are in the illicit drug trade themselves. And the number one reason they won't ever legalize drugs; because it offers them control over people. Control by addiction. Control by all the ludicrous laws they hold over people's heads. And a nice slave labor army of non-violent prisoners filling their corporate run prisons.

So I guess what it boils down to is if you really want to stop illegal immigration, and just about every other problem we have, remove everyone from the government, remove all the ridiculous statutory laws, and stop politics from being both a career choice and a money making endeavor for those that SERVE US in political posts!



posted on Nov, 16 2010 @ 03:26 AM
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Originally posted by Rynocerous7
The MSM will have a field day with this, lump those of us against illegal immigration in with the nazis. Lets's not talk about the problems illegal immigration causes, let's try and discredit people genuinely concerned about whats happening to this country.


I thought the local story was pretty balanced. Very clear about the fact that the counter-protesters were responsible for the violence, and ended with a nice reminder from the police that freedom of speech extends to things you don't agree with.

I wonder if the national media will be as even handed?



posted on Nov, 16 2010 @ 06:46 AM
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It's not surprising as white supremacist eugenics groups like the Heritage Foundation and FAIR funded by people like John Tanton, are the ones that are pushing for these laws.



posted on Nov, 16 2010 @ 06:54 AM
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You know - I find it somewhat humorous that all of these Neo-Nazi rallies in the southwest are relatively peaceful demonstrations. Unregistered counter-protests show up and start flipping over cars and burning buildings because the Nazis were allowed to wave a sign.

Can I start turning over cars and burning buildings the next time I see an "Obamacare" rally? Why should the liberals be the only ones allowed to have fun? Do you have any idea how many of those goofy Scions there are in this town that I'd like to destroy?

Anyway - I always love it how extremist groups get to be treated as the general standard. Westboro starts saying god hates fags and is killing soldiers for it - and all of a sudden all of Christianity are a bunch of crazies that you would think needed to be purged from the world based on the media coverage and internet forum rants. Then the Nazis have to poke their supremacist bull into supporting what is a completely sensible piece of legislation and send public support six feet under.

When can we give these groups a taste of their own medicine? You know - join the Black Panthers and start up a kiddie porn ring to get caught - or sell coc aine to grade school children after joining the Nazis while proclaiming to be the reincarnation of Hitler. I'm getting tired of this being a one-sided issue.

Though I will say I think the Nazis are onto something. God Forbid anyone look at another person as a person, we have to look at the color of their hair, skin, etc. In that respect - the Nazis may be onto something with "racial purity" - not because one race is superior or more deserving, but that it makes people have to look a little harder before categorizing people.

Which means we'd get down to ear shapes, bone structure, etc to discriminate.... but at least it would be somewhat different from skin color. Seeing people vote in "friends of the hitch-hiker's thumb" and "Not the curly hairs' bitch" would be amusing for a few years, at least.



posted on Nov, 16 2010 @ 08:47 AM
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Then the Nazis have to poke their supremacist bull into supporting what is a completely sensible piece of legislation and send public support six feet under.


Except it's not a sensible piece of legislation, going after legal citizens, and subverting the 4th Amendment in search of illegals is not sensible at all.

Would you think it was sensible if you were detained in an INS facility for not having your paperwork on you? Would you think it was all ok, while they let you sit in a jail cell waiting for them to get around to verifying your identity?

I personally would be quite aggravated and angry for the illegal detention and the violation of my 4th Amendment rights.

I guess they will find whatever hot button issue they can in order to take away your civil liberties.



posted on Nov, 16 2010 @ 09:57 AM
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Except it's not a sensible piece of legislation, going after legal citizens, and subverting the 4th Amendment in search of illegals is not sensible at all.


How many gosh durn times does this have to be rehashed?

The bill cites -National- laws. It is a policy law that allows an officer to, when stopping someone following observation of a legal infraction, require proof of citizenship. It is not any different than being asked to show my drivers' license when getting pulled over, being required to submit to a breathalyzer test if there is reasonable suspicion that I have been drinking.


Would you think it was sensible if you were detained in an INS facility for not having your paperwork on you? Would you think it was all ok, while they let you sit in a jail cell waiting for them to get around to verifying your identity?


When I went to Korea, we carried a SOFA card around with us at all times. I had at least two, and my Geneva Conventions ID (Military ID/CAC). If stuff happened and we found ourselves in a jam, it told the Korean law enforcement (who were sure to show up) that we were military and how to get into contact with our chain of command and get everything sorted out. We checked into that country using our military ID and orders and logged in their digital system. That way - were we apprehended by Korean national authorities, it would also (eventually) come to light who we were and why we were there, and who we reported to. Civilians checked in differently, but you had to have a clear reason for being there and you had better mind your Ps and Qs.

There was none of this "open borders" nonsense. If you got arrested and didn't check in through immigration and have a valid reason for being there, they stopped just short of crucifying you.

So, you know - there's nothing wrong with requiring people in this country be a citizen of it, or have a damned good reason for being here. I'm not saying beat and torture people because they don't have their papers on them (or whatever) - but state-issued IDs are almost mandatory to get through life. If you don't have one that states who you are and why you are here (citizens obviously not needing a reason for being there other than they want to be and it's their country to wander around in) - then you're living pretty dangerously or minimally, depending upon your circumstances.


I personally would be quite aggravated and angry for the illegal detention and the violation of my 4th Amendment rights.


It's not a violation of 4th Amendment rights. The legislation does not give an officer the authority to ask for proof of citizenship off-hand. You can't go door-to-door and ask for papers. In fact - the law prevents this abuse of authority (or, rather, forbids it - making it a crime to go around asking for proof of citizenship). However, if you are out after curfew and get stopped by an officer, he can ask for ID that establishes you as a legal citizen/visitor to the U.S. This is exactly the way many other countries run their immigration system - many of them belonging to the European Union.


I guess they will find whatever hot button issue they can in order to take away your civil liberties.


Well, it really wouldn't matter that much if merely existing in this country didn't come with so many perks. Many places offer free health care, education programs for racial groups, government-subsidized standards of living, etc. If we just had sales tax and didn't try to use the government to pay for everything, to include our house, then I honestly wouldn't give a damned if ten million of them flooded the border and we let them come and go as they please. By all means - spend money in our economy, make businesses and jobs, etc. Just don't show up to vote if you aren't a citizen.

But that's not the case. The fact is that there are - literally - drug wars consuming huge amounts of lives and resources along the southern border. It is a serious security risk. If I were a country wanting to attack America - I would smuggle arms, explosives, and operatives in through the gaping anus of a southern border we have. There is realistically no control over persons and materials crossing the border. Build a wall, dig a moat, fill it with water, and put Piranhas in it. Think you had a bad day? Try crossing a river filled with coke-crazed piranhas from all of the slaughtered drug runners.

Seriously - it's beyond ridiculous. There's substantial evidence linking Mexican military members (and possibly endorsed operations) to the illicit drug trafficking from Mexico. Foreign military operatives are -operating- within our borders. It's called a wall, armed guards, and "you don't belong here - GTFO."



posted on Nov, 16 2010 @ 09:59 AM
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I always love it when some lunatics support a thing there is the effort to warp all who support a thing into being lunatics.

I'm pretty sure there's a neo-nazi out there who really loves the new ATS look. Do you?



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