Originally posted by nightbringr
To answer your question on what gives the government the right to levy a federal income tax, i believe that would be the 16th amendment.
One who believes is unsure...
You are also incorrect.
The Supreme Court has reaffirmed that the 16th Amendment didn't give Congress any new powers
of taxation, so what existed prior, exists today. Do some more research.
The issue is: The lower courts have to be in compliance with the Supreme Courts, however
these de facto courts rule under their own authority, and can throw out the Constitution entirely.
You should watch "From Freedom To Fascism" -by Aaron Russo.
It will thoroughly and decisively end your "opinion" of the American tax system being
as you aren't a part of it...
Fast Forward to 18min and 30second to find out what happens to the Federal Income Tax
Revenue...in case you're feeling TL;DR, k?
Originally posted by nightbringrYou go on and on about how we are "slaves" to the state and i think your reasoning is we are born into
debt. But what you dont seem to realize is, a slave has no rights and cannot change their lot in life. Yes, American citizens are born into debt,
massive and criminal debt by the way your government throws good money after bad, but that isnt the point.
U.S. citizens and persons do NOT have rights.
They have privileges given to them by the Gov't.
Originally posted by nightbringrIf i was an american citizen, all i have to do is say "Im going to move to Canada!", or, if you prefer
which i suspect you would "Im going to move to China!". The beauty of which is, of course you can do this! Does the US government tax you, when you
have lived for over 1 year in another country? I dont think so.
You have it better as a Canadien.
If you have the open mind to read this you might just be saved from your own system.
Originally posted by nightbringrYou make an inflamatory remark about how the governement has the rights to seize children at will, then
back it up with what? I dont see this happening, and id love you to show me where it is happening. Please, show me a law, a bylaw, anything that
shows where the govenment can seize children at will, for no good reason.
It happens all of the time.
Home schooled children being taken away from their parents.
You suffer from a narrow way of thinking...in that you feel a law must state:
"The State can seize all children whenever it wants to because you are a slave."
^^^This would never happen.
Originally posted by nightbringrOf course people are a part of the state and made a party to the state with all the things you list.
Why is this a bad thing? Its called being a "citizen". It does not own me in any way. Again, i can move if i dont like it. I can assure you if i was
an American citizen and i moved to Norway, they would have zero dominion over me after the move. When you are born, your country of birth is placed
on your birth certificate. I guess by your reasoning, that same birth certificate is in essence an ownership paper claiming your birth country owns
you? Hogwash. Who cares if i have to apply to vote? How is this a bad thing? Hasnt hurt anyone i know. Please, explain to me how this hurts me or
makes me a slave.
You don't get it and that's fine.
Yes, it does OWN you.
You pay an income tax.
You pay a driver license fee, car registration fee, smog check fee
You pay an (illegal) property tax for your house (if you think you own one)
You don't even own your car. (how do I know this?)
You don't have the title...
You have a Certificate of title, which means you don't have THE title.
The state does/did.
Originally posted by nightbringrYou go on about how i should list to you what the Federal income tax pays for, but then proceed to tell
me NO one knows. This i would assume includes yourself. So what exactly is it you are raging at? Do you suspect the government is stealing all this
money and building homes/bomb shelters/NWO bunkers with this? If not, what is it you think they are doing?
I think our little discussion is over because you don't seem to grasp the concept, which is your right.
The fact is: The federal income tax is NOT an apportioned tax (do you know what apportioned means?)
Raging at? How old Are you?
I'm trying to educate you by incinerating your baseless opinions you've gathered through
narrow minded google searching.
It is of my opinion that the Federal Income tax pays for the debt the U.S. has incurred
at the expense of its people. You have much to learn and I can't sit here and teach you
everything when your mind seems pretty closed when you don't seem to get it.
Originally posted by nightbringrYou have it so bad my friend, such slavery you live in. I know its hard down there, Big Brother
watching your every move. Its funny how you seem to only be complaining about monetary issues, when people in the USA tend to live better than people
in almost all other countries on earth. Of course there are exceptions to this and im sure you will list them off, but the USA up until the next few
years has the best economy in the world. Yes, you have it so bad.
So, only *I* complain about monetary issues.
Is this to say that everyone else just takes it up the ass and just enjoys it
because they know it is a part of their American duty to be sodomised by the U.S. Gov't?
The fact is you can't and haven't been able to refute anything I've said.
Instead your basis for posting lies with emotional connotations that seem to make light of
the my monetary disposition and since you think Americans need to feel special because
they live better than people from other Countries on Earth- you are obviously
thankful to have it taken up the rear by your own Gov't.
I posted the link which just kicks your opinion's ass to hell and back (naturally you avoid it)
I posted the link to DetaxCanada.org (will you show more of your arrogant and willful ignorance?)
I hope not.
Your freedom depends on it.
In all fairness not all people have the needed courage nor efficacy to
become a FREE Sovereign. This is what it comes down to:
Are you so comfortably numb, you are willing to pay for your freedoms?
Freedoms cannot be purchased, they are obtained through action.
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