We seem to have very different interpretations of what it means to prove ones point of view. Very well. That is, after all what a debate is for,
right? If you felt personally attacked I apologize as that was not the intent. I simply said that I was offended since I found some of your
racist. You, on the other hand now find it necessary to imply I am less intelligent than yourself and
‘silly’ because I do not share your point of view. Can we continue with the debate topic? The point here is who presents the best debate, not
who can make the other one look stupid.
Let’s start with a definition taken again from Wikipedia:
The Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים "Yehudim" IPA: jɛhuːdiːm), also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and ethnoreligious group
originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East. The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated, as
Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation. Converts to Judaism, whose status as Jews within the Jewish ethnos is equal to those
born into it, have been absorbed into the Jewish people throughout the millennia.
You’ll have to forgive me if I am not as studied as you are in the political structure of Israel. I think that I reacted the same as any typical
American would in light of your comments. This is why, in my opening statement I clearly said that I did not want to make any assumptions and invited
you to explain your stance in greater detail. All you responded with was to say most of the MSM was operated by Jews and provided a link to a website
called ‘Jew Watch’
and told me to find the ‘proof’
Proof of what?
That is the whole point of this debate. Not to make generalized, open-ended comments and then tell me to find it myself. I obviously do not share
your opinion of the Jewish people. It is up to you to convince me and the judges of it. Berating me for not agreeing with you gets us nowhere.
Another definition that I think is very important:
Racial discrimination typically points out taxonomic differences between different groups of people, although anyone may be discriminated against
on an ethnic or cultural basis, independently of their somatic differences. According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction
between the term racial discrimination and ethnicity discrimination.
When you call someone a Jew I am going to assume that you are referring to their religious belief, their ethnicity or both. I interpreted your
comments to mean that you believe just because someone is Jewish, that they are part of this conspiracy. If I am wrong, than I apologize.
I gave you the opportunity to flesh out your reasons and you responded with this:
So basically, the Jews in media are trying to shape public opinion in America to politically support Israel. If by that definition that makes us a
Zionist country, then your answer is yes. This is why in my opening statement I mentioned Jews with Zionism.
In everything you have written, this is the only comment you have made that would possibly hint at a conspiracy theory that you would then try and
prove meets the criteria of this debate, which is to prove that:
"Most major media outlets are controlled by a nefarious conspiracy.”
So my third question to you is
: How is it that you think Jews in the media are trying to shape the American opinion to politically
You make it sound as if there is only one political party and one political agenda for Israel, but that isn’t so. It is quite diversified. Just
because someone is Jewish does not mean they all share one political view. This is why when you make a blanket statement regarding a certain
ethnicity you need to be careful and explain what you mean; otherwise it can be interpreted as racist
, since most people are not well versed in
As to my answers to your questions; Just because you didn’t like them does not mean they weren’t answered. To me, they were clear. You didn’t
ask me to list out ten MSM corporations and since we seem to agree who they are, I didn’t see a need to go into further detail. I do feel that
the MSM is plays into the debate question just as much as who
You called me ‘silly’
for referring to a cruise line as being part of this medium. Have you ever heard of the Disney cruise line? It is
part of one of the biggest MSM corporations out there and if you don’t think there isn’t a heck of a lot of money and advertising involved than
you must not watch television or look in magazines very often. MSM = mainstream MEDIA. Media is NOT just the news. It is any form of communication
that reaches the masses. This involves the obvious such as television, newspapers, magazines and radio but it also now spreads out into the internet,
music, drama, theatre, music, advertising and even video games. The ‘Bad News’ was just the tag line for the debate, not the debate topic
If you need me to refine my answer to your second question, fair enough. Answer to question number two: NO.
As far as my answer to question number three, I'm sorry if you didn’t like it. That doesn't mean I didn’t answer it. It was an opinion; you
don’t have to agree with it. If you have a better answer than please by all means enlighten me.
If you refer back to my opening post I tell you what the reasons the government has told us and what I believe the conspiracy is. The conspiracy is
not the public reason because it would no longer be a conspiracy.
I have read back over your opening statement and I fail to see this. All you really said about the government was:
The government would want concentration of media to make manipulation of the public easier. It only needs to control a few outlets instead of
Okay, that is a start. Now you need to tie that into whatever your conspiracy theory is. This FINALLY brings us around to what we are here for;
"Most major media outlets are controlled by a nefarious conspiracy.”
Are you building up to this? Because if we are going to actually debate your theory vs. what defines a jew and what racism is, than we need to get on
with it. You asked for my opinion to define this with your fourth question to me:
Your question number four for me: What is a conspiracy?
I will give you my own personal definition of what this means to me. I believe that for there to be a conspiracy, it entails a cunning plot
intentionally developed by a group of individuals with similar beliefs and agendas. It is typically secret, with a clear plan of action that involves
manipulation that would otherwise not be allowed or tolerated if exposed. It needs to affect the general public or at least a large group of people
and have far reaching repercussion. Most conspiracy theories are regarded as being ‘out there’ or on the ‘fringe’ because of their nature and
Now add on the ‘nefarious’
and this further entails that it is specifically an evil, harmful plan. I take this to mean that not only would
it not be tolerated, but a large number of people would be harmed or killed by it.
I want to stress again the importance in keeping this civil. I feel that the debate forum is a great opportunity to show other ATS members how it is
possible to have differing viewpoints and debate a topic without personally attacking each other. One of the reasons for a debate is it to learn
others ideas and beliefs and to maybe even change your own in the end. For example, I had no idea that there were five major political parties in
Israel until I researched it. I honestly want to hear your position on this. I have never had a discussion with anyone about the political agenda of
Israel and how anyone might then tie this into the Jewish community here in America.