Ok, due to the overwhelming success...actually, due to the overwhelming number of posts in my "Creationism/ID: PROVE IT!" thread that attempted to debunk evolution, I'd like to open this thread up for discussion of the validity of proofs of evolution.

For now, I'll allow someone else to open the discussion with a post that proves evolution.

So let's go. Prove evolution.

Quick edit to add something that prevents this thread from becoming a mess:

Please do not address a proof of evolution that has not been brought up. This is a proof ->response->rebuttal etc thread, not a "let's just try to randomly debunk things that aren't in the discussion" thread.

the fact that whales have given up their "legs" in exchange for fins should be an example. whales have hips man, and dont have anything that it would be useful for, meaning that it is leftover from adaptation, similar to little bumps on snakes where their appendages "used" to be when they would be categorized as lizards. proof is everywhere for evolution, but nowhere for creationism. weird how brainwashing is so effective, even with false information

Religion proves that evolution took place to Even though they wont admit it. But that is probably because they don't understand what they read in Genesis chapter 1.

If the preacher or the teacher has got it wrong. The crowd will get it wrong too.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
Ok, due to the overwhelming success...actually, due to the overwhelming number of posts in my "Creationism/ID: PROVE IT!" thread that attempted to debunk evolution, I'd like to open this thread up for discussion of the validity of proofs of evolution.

For now, I'll allow someone else to open the discussion with a post that proves evolution.

So let's go. Prove evolution.

Quick edit to add something that prevents this thread from becoming a mess:

Please do not address a proof of evolution that has not been brought up. This is a proof ->response->rebuttal etc thread, not a "let's just try to randomly debunk things that aren't in the discussion" thread.

edit on 14/11/10 by madnessinmysoul because: everything after the wrod 'quick'

"Evolution" cannot be proven. The requirement is that it is subjected to rigorous testing by various independent researchers each attempting to discover any major flaw in the hypothesis. Note that during this stage "evolution" is not yet a "theory" but only a "hypothesis". When all attempts to disprove it fail the next step is for a consensus of scientists to agree to elevate it to a "theory". In other words a scientific theory has passed the required number of attempts to disprove it.

If you, or a bunch of Christians, or someone else want to have "evolution" thrown out on it's ear the burden is upon you, not science. You must do your own testing and find a flaw. When you find this flaw you must submit it in the accepted scholarly format to accredited universities for consideration. It is the established leaders in science then who will accept or reject your work.

This is the way that science works. Experience tells us that anyone who demands proofs is an outsider who knows nothing of scientific investigation.

Another note here is important. "Theory" in the common use of the word is just an idea. Example "I have a theory of what happened to the car". In science the word "theory" means an entirely different thing. A scientific theory has passed all the tests imaginable and is accepted as fact.

Lastly when science learns more it is common for older theories to be modified or set aside in favor of new ones.

Science is much different than Bible study friend. Opinions don't cut it in science.

"Evolution" is fact until new information displaces it.

If you want an example of evolution then just consider the lowly Halibut. This fish is in the middle of evolving from a vertically orientated fish to a horizontally orientated one. Note how the mouth is still orientated the wrong way and note the eyes. One is moving into a different position but it is not yet there so they look funny. Evolution takes time usually. When I say time I mean a long time. God's Intelligent Design is helping this fish to adapt to a new or better food source so it can survive. This is what evolution is and God set the whole process up, not a bunch of atheists.

"I want to know God's thoughts. The rest are details." Albert Einstein

God created the universe and then instituted evolution as His method of insuring that all things constantly change and improve as time goes by. God made the first single celled animal and then God's evolution did the rest. The Bible was written by man and parts of it are wrong.

All that is necessary to have this make sense is to chuck the first couple of chapters of Genesis. Let's face it, this is the problem. Oh how badly the Christians want their book to be correct. How fearful they are that if any small part is wrong then their whole faith is jeopardized. To be this way is silly. Get the bigger picture. God's greatest gift to man is his brain. We have it for a reason. Let's use it.

If we evolved from Apes then why are there still Apes? I'm not saying animals don't / can't evolve but mankind did not evolve from an ape, mankind has evolved from mankind. You can even see it today, kids are taller now on average than in the past. Life didn't start as a single cell organism and evolve into so many different things from that one organism. The odds of life not being specifically created are so close to zero you can call it zero.

Everything regarding religion is theory,"Theology".

The "Theory of evolution" is somewhat self explanatory.

Theories.

The coolest thing I learned in college,is that every single critter in existence that has a skeletal system,has the same number of bones.

All species are just a re-arrangement of a common construct,a base design.

Kinda makes that matrix movie make a bit more sense in a a way.

We are all products of our own imagination.

We just agree to disagree.