Originally posted by Hefficide
As a heterosexual male I simply have to ask...
Why would somebody who self identifies as "gay", "straight", "bi", or "celibate", or any other variant, want to alter their self-identity? I
understand that there are probably people who "go through a phase" and are confused about things but these people aren't in any of the above
categories. They are in a state of finding their own self-definition.
I know who and what I am and if anyone comes along and tries to tell me that I am not, or should not be "me" is in store for a major war. And social
pressures, opinions, or ideas won't matter one iota to me.
It kind of amazes me that we, as a species, seem to have this urge to change anyone who doesn't share all of our own beliefs and outlooks and to
assume that just because a person is different, they are wrong.
Another man being gay doesn't make me gay. Neither does my being straight make him straight.
Well if you looked at the subject from a NATURAL philosophical perspective, as i do, you would appreciate that the creator of reality reveals himself
through nature. Not only that, but we as humans have a unique ability, unlike other creatures, to ponder the wonders of creation. Other creatures cant
appreciate concepts, or ideas, or even think in words that give an approximate description of that reality.
The Torah looks at the world in this way. G-d created a higher world, from which this world is a projection of. Male and female dont go together
because im some bigot, who wont accept to the contrary, male and female go together because male is half of a whole, and only a female can fill that
other half. In the grander picture, the male is G-d, the creator, and the female is nature, the revelation of his own nature to us humans, who are
created in his image (kabbalah explains how this is. its to be understood in only a metaphorical manner. G-ds head is not our head, but a spiritual
concept which is symbolized here as a head etc). So, my objection to homosexuality isnt in a shallow judgemental way. It is judgemental in that its
irrespnsible, that is, refusing to heed a metaphysical reality displayed all before us throughout creation.
Also, dont tell me that homosexuality exists in nature so god is telling us its ok. No. The whole concept of sodomy is abhorrent, and really only
engaged in by the philosophically brazen and intellectually (im referring to those who try to justify this behavior, through philosophy) weak. Those
who cant conceive of a greater universe look to immideate things, like sensual pleasure. Hence, we can thank the greeks mainly for this. They think
very small with regard to the cosmos, and so they actually find their fullfilment in lowly and base things. Judaism, Christianity and Islam conversely
try to imagine a deeper meaning behind life beyond the sensual, which should only exist to supplement and externalize this higher reality. With regard
to Judaism, G-d is conceived as the totality of reality. But with the Torah itself, he commands man to sift the bad from the good.
Regardless of whether you think this is true or not, you have to atleast admit that its a lofty idea, which doesnt seek to persecute and demonize
homosexuals. All thats demanded is that they realize that this is their Yetzer Ra. I have one, every one has one, an evil inclination. We all have two
powers always speaking to us, the former seeks to unify us with our source, and the latter seeks to sever us from it. Homosexuality, is a severance.
In fact, in Hebrew, the word for male prostitute, Kedusha, is from the root, Kodesh (translated often as holiness). A more exact translation of kodesh
is "to be separate". Thus, one who makes himself holy separates himself from physicality, while one engages in promiscuity, and above all, sodomy,
separates himself totally from the divine (this is an actual occultic practice which is for this precise purpose, to contact demonic powers). So, one
who engages in this behavior should really see how selfish it is. Just as i, in my life situation, battle my evil inclination (im speaking totally
with regard to people who seek to develop themselves spiritually) - with porn addiction, laziness, gluttony, egotism, so to does one with SSA have to
work on this part of himself. Its that simple.
And its not "who you are". How ridiculous is that that people define themselves by which sex their attracted to. If im depressed, do i become a
depressed person? These are emotional states that were in complete command of. I can change it (in the kabbalistic scheme - kabbalah being a system of
psychology, yesod, the 6th sphere, is the lowest one of the emotional spheres. It recieves its nature from the powers up above - Netzach and Hod, both
of which are responsible for behavior. Above them, however, is chesed and gevurah, which has the ablity to redirect the energy into the lower
But i think you and others here have been adequately conditioned by the media machine which disgorges greek "spirituality" deep into our unconscious
psyches. We all dont realize it, but were all Greeks (as many famous people have said). We speak in its language, and indeed, were all perforated by
its powers, So, i wont bother debating the philosophy of why its wrong and we should, as intelligent creatures which have the power to know "one thing
from another, and reflect upon its deeper meaning" understand that a certain behavior is wrong, and shameful, and below our dignity.
14-11-2010 by dontreally because: (no reason given)