Pick Your 2 Most Glaring Points of Questions For 9/11?

Originally posted by kaya82
the commission failed to mention why a 47 story steel and concrete buiding fell! so excuse me for not believing anything they have got the say.

they had ample time from the first time they knew of hijacked air craft up until the pentagon was hit and still nothing was done? your happy with that? unbelievable

Read up on what the 9/11 Commission was tasked with, and you'll learn why they didn't mention 7WTC.

Kissinger was supposed to be the original head of the commission that should tell you something right there. lol

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The Commission was not charged with explaining the collapse of WTC 7 (or WTC 3,4,5 either). It was charged with looking into the background, circimstances and the Governments response that day.

Originally posted by kaya82


they had ample time from the first time they knew of hijacked air craft up until the pentagon was hit and still nothing was done? your happy with that? unbelievable

They did not know until the second tower was hot that we were under attack. Not quite as much time as you think. But tell me, since you seem to be an expert in Continental Air Defense, how long did you spend in the Air Force doing that job?


Happy with it? Not a bit. Understand why it was so easy for terrorists to pull off.....yeah I understand just how easy it was (still is)

im no expert in air defence nor did i claim i was

i just simply find it hard to believe what happened that day

why did the us government not do a FULL investigation in to 9/11?

it was after all a criminal act, criminal acts are investigated in order to find out who done it and possibly why

ok so wtc 7 collapsed they should of done investigations into how and why it collapsed so future buildings can be built in more safer way and they can learn from this!

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well i have hours and hours of norad tapes from the day and if you can tell me how to put audio on here for listening to i would gladly do it and you will hear the confusion that was going on during time of it happening...and not only that they were well aware of the first plane going off course from early on and had lots of time to have fighters intercept...i am not saying shoot down but to do a fly by ,cockpit check and escort....hmmm normal procedures.....but hey if you think they handled it normally then heck good for you.
also why not stick to the forum thread at hand.

two more questions.

1) why were these exercises planned and Dick Cheney given the final dicisions on deployment for the first time ever?

2) how come Michael Chertoff allowed the Dancing Israeli's their freedom when they were still suspects?

see how this thread works...with the question marks after it.....part of the reason that there is not decent debate on 9/11 is the way people have an insatiable need to debunk when so much of it is truely speculation and require no debunking....

Originally posted by kaya82
it was after all a criminal act, criminal acts are investigated in order to find out who done it and possibly why

Look up PENTTBOM for the criminal investigation into the attacks.

what a joke they claim the were able to recover hijackers passports yet around 1000 humans bodies are un accounted for

im not gunna bother replying in here any more as im going off topic and id probably get more sence out of my 16 moth old son than you

Originally posted by vipertech0596
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The Commission was not charged with explaining the collapse of WTC 7 (or WTC 3,4,5 either). It was charged with looking into the background, circimstances and the Governments response that day.

Not true, they we're supposed to investigate what happened on 911, period. There is nothing in the act passed by congress that established the 911 Commission and the Investigation Team(NIST & FEMA) that delineates as to what they were to investigate. Everything you just typed is complete BS and is not supported by any facts what so ever. Please go look at the act passed by congress and show me anything that states anything remotely as to what you just said.

WTC 7 still is and should have been a big red flag to the 911 Commission. They mention the collapse of WTC 1 & 2 in the report, which is a narritive by the way, and falls way short of a true report.

Originally posted by kaya82
im no expert in air defence nor did i claim i was

i just simply find it hard to believe what happened that day

why did the us government not do a FULL investigation in to 9/11?

it was after all a criminal act, criminal acts are investigated in order to find out who done it and possibly why

ok so wtc 7 collapsed they should of done investigations into how and why it collapsed so future buildings can be built in more safer way and they can learn from this!

So you find it hard to believe that we did not respond in time, but yet you admit you know nothing about the subject.......do you notice a bit of a disconnect there?

And yes, there was a "full" investigation....well as full as you will ever see anyway. There really are not any "smoking guns" anywhere.

And yes, the collapse of WTC 7 was looked at, and an educated guess into the exact collapse sequence was made.

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Probably the most misinformed post I have seen yet today. Go back and reread their charter.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
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Probably the most misinformed post I have seen yet today. Go back and reread their charter.

I've read it. Now you go read the act inacted by congress like i said.

I want to make something real CLEAR. The people saying it was ok to omit WTC 7 and calling people ill informed, like Vipertech, are full of it and it really pisses me off! Since he and others will do nothing to back their claims, i will.

The 911 Commission was responsible for explainning the events that took place on 9/11/2001. ‘‘Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2003.’’

www.9-11commission.gov...

Title VI National Commission On Terrorist Attacks Upon The United States. Section 601-611 CLEARLY outlines their duties.(Page 2 of the pdf and in further detail on pg 4)

This charter he is talking about is something seperate that was also included in ‘‘Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2003.’’ This is about recommendations to be made by the 911 Commission in defending civil liberties. This is just part of their responsibilities and not all of them.

Title VII Information Sharing In the same PDF file linked above pg 2.

Here is the actual charter.

www.fas.org...

Some may ask why look all this up. Well, in my 1st attempt at reading the 911 Commission Report i was so flabergasted by what i was reading i had to stop before getting out of the 1st chapter. First of all, the preface was filled with legal disclaimers so no one could be held legally responsible for any of this. Secondly, i felt i was reading something writtten by Charles Dickens. It clearly states in the 911 Commission Report it's a narrative. After just this little bit of reading i was like WTF and decided to look up specifically what they were tasked with.

There is NOTHING that gave the 911 Commission the powers to omit WTC 7 and it's unusual collapse. This isn't rocket science folks. If i'm in charge of the 911 Commission and there's a building that fell nearby WTC 1 & 2 that looks almost identical to a controlled demolition that didn't get hit by an airplane, i would have no choice but to investigate this building and it's destruction before coming to a conclusion in my report. I would at the very least mention it and say it's under further investigation.

They were tasked with a legal investigation and given subpoena power, yet, there is nothing in their report that is legally binding. Now, how much effin sense does that make?

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Great post, at least you got to reading the 911 commission report. Didn't know about the disclaimers. I never even got around to reading it. lol. I just knew it was a sham right when they put kissinger in charge at first. haha.

Originally posted by vipertech0596

Originally posted by kaya82
im no expert in air defence nor did i claim i was

i just simply find it hard to believe what happened that day

why did the us government not do a FULL investigation in to 9/11?

it was after all a criminal act, criminal acts are investigated in order to find out who done it and possibly why

ok so wtc 7 collapsed they should of done investigations into how and why it collapsed so future buildings can be built in more safer way and they can learn from this!

So you find it hard to believe that we did not respond in time, but yet you admit you know nothing about the subject.......do you notice a bit of a disconnect there?
United

And yes, there was a "full" investigation....well as full as you will ever see anyway. There really are not any "smoking guns" anywhere.

And yes, the collapse of WTC 7 was looked at, and an educated guess into the exact collapse sequence was made

just because i have no experience in that field doesnt mean i have no idea. Haha



a an educated guess was made why a 47 storey building fell did u actually write that? Thanks for that make me chuckle if you apply science phyics and a little commom sense theres no need for guess work

Back to building 7 which is one of my 2 points

Building 7 was a 47-story skyscraper that was part of the World Trade Center complex. It would have been the tallest high-rise in 33 states. It collapsed at 5:20 pm on September 11, 2001. It was not hit by an airplane and suffered minimal damage compared to other buildings much closer to the Twin Towers.

Compiled footage of WTC7 going down. Is not the plume of smoke coming from it virtually identical to the one the comes off all CD buildings?



30 Second Ad Running in New York About WTC7

1. We still have not caught Osama Bin Laden but we were right to the chase to catch Saddam.

2. We show no intention on ever leaving the Middle East.

Originally posted by curious_soul
I want to make something real CLEAR. The people saying it was ok to omit WTC 7 and calling people ill informed, like Vipertech, are full of it and it really pisses me off! Since he and others will do nothing to back their claims, i will.

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Been gone for a bit, and I come back to find this...ive pissed someone off (now THERES a newsflash)

However, the main point was that the 9-11 Commission was not charged with engineering investigations of the collapse of the buildings. People like to claim that the Commission "ignored" WTC 7 and when you point out the fact that the Commission was not looking at the engineering, you piss them off.

This is what was claimed...

The 911 Commission was responsible for explainning the events that took place on 9/11/2001.

Actually, he kinda got this one right. The Commission was responsible for INVESTIGATING the backhistory, the events of the day, and our response to them.

From the legislation that created the Commission...

"Sec 602.

The purposes of the Commission are to—
(1) examine and report upon the facts and causes relating
to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, occurring at
the World Trade Center in New York, New York, in Somerset
County, Pennsylvania, and at the Pentagon in Virginia;
(2) ascertain, evaluate, and report on the evidence developed
by all relevant governmental agencies regarding the facts
and circumstances surrounding the attacks;
(3) build upon the investigations of other entities, and
avoid unnecessary duplication, by reviewing the findings,
conclusions, and recommendations of—
(A) the Joint Inquiry of the Select Committee on Intelligence
of the Senate and the Permanent Select Committee
on Intelligence of the House of Representatives regarding
the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, (hereinafter
in this title referred to as the ‘‘Joint Inquiry’’); and
(B) other executive branch, congressional, or independent
commission investigations into the terrorist
attacks of September 11, 2001, other terrorist attacks, and
terrorism generally;
(4) make a full and complete accounting of the circumstances
surrounding the attacks, and the extent of the
United States’ preparedness for, and immediate response to,
the attacks; and
(5) investigate and report to the President and Congress
on its findings, conclusions, and recommendations for corrective
measures that can be taken to prevent acts of terrorism."

www.9-11commission.gov...

Not once does it mention the Commission doing engineering studies. It DOES however point out that the Commission is not supposed to duplicate the efforts of other investigations....like, oh, maybe the NIST/FEMA/FBI investigations.

Not quite sure why this link... www.fas.org... was included (and labeled as a copy of the 9/11 Commission Charter).....but when you click on it you find...

"9/11 Commission Recommendations: A Civil
Liberties Oversight Board"

Psst.... thats not the charter of the 9/11 Commission..

There is NOTHING that gave the 911 Commission the powers to omit WTC 7 and it's unusual collapse

On the contrary, NIST was charged with investigating WTC 7's collapse...the 9/11 Commission was charged with NOT duplicating NIST's efforts.


Next time you feel like running off at the fingers about how someone pissed you off.....you might want to make sure you actually know what you are talking about.

The congressional act i linked you to had 11 subsections. 601 through 611 that outlined their duties and you post just subsection 602 and think you've done something. Keep reading, you're doing nothing but playing semantics and still have no clue what you're talking about.

No, the 911 Commission wasn't responsible for doing the actual scientific test's evidence surrounding the the building collapse's, just like they weren't involved in doing the forensic test's on dead people. That doesn't mean they didn't have the POWER to recommend that FEMA or NIST to investigate on anything they they thought might be suspicous, like WTC 7.

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I get the idea that you have either been in a coma OR have short term memory issues...

You can read sections 601, 603-611 and will not find ANYTHING charging the Commission with investigating the actual collapse of the buildings that day. Then you mention that the Commission could direct a federal agency to investigate anything the seemed suspicious...like WTC 7.

Psst.......NIST, MIT and several other organizations DID investigate the collapse of WTC 7.......