Discussion Concerning Israeli Influence In The U.S.A

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posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by 1amc
I think Israel was involved in 9-11. If history and truth prove otherwise, I will change what I think, but at this point they have not.

Regardless of 9-11, I believe that our relationship with the State of Israel and certain Israeli groups need reviewed.

What does the Maine have to do with Israel attacking the USS Liberty?

Respects,


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At least have the good form to know when you are being belittled.




posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 07:08 PM
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Try this one.

www.lewrockwell.com...

Respects,



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 07:09 PM
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Where for art thou, Skeptic Overlord?

Does thou art not see the SO signal painting across the burnished sky with thine keen eyes?

Oh, that you would smite this villainous oaf with thy divine hammer and might!

Where art thou, Red Avenger of threads, Smooth Skulled Reaver of posts... has thou abandoned thy flock?

Oh, woe is me...


[edit on 11/7/2004 by Mirthful Me]



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by Mirthful Me
Where for art thou, Skeptic Overlord?

Does thou art not see the SO signal painting across the burnished sky with thine keen eyes?

Oh, that you would smite this villainous oaf with thy divine hammer and might!

Where art thou, Red Avenger of threads, Smooth Skulled Reaver of posts... has thou abandoned thy flock?

Oh, woe is me...


[edit on 11/7/2004 by Mirthful Me]


he has personal matters to attend to, contact another Mod if this thread is offending you or anything else



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 07:35 PM
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JB1 has already edited this down once. If the discussion cannot be continued in a reasoned way, this thread will be trashed, and those who caused it to be trashed will recieve warnings.

A few other thoughts on this thread.

Please don't make posts just saying 'this thread should be trashed'. It contributes nothing. If you think that then use the suggestions/complaints button.

...and more importantly, stop with the overquoting!



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 01:53 AM
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1amc, if you would please use the search feature you'll find that the Liberty issue has been discussed in the approximate amount of 100 times. In one of those I posted references to almost 10 congressional inquiries into the Liberty issue in which our government (not Israel) reached the conclusion that the issue was a tragic error. Now, I have concern that someone like you will just reply to me with "yeah that's because those jews control the American congress. At that point I have no choice do I, but to back down and move on. There is no point with arguing with people who are so set in their opinion that they will not accept the fact that they are not the first person on this planet to raise such ideas, and that perhaps some such ideas have been solved.

To you sir, I can say only one last thing. These issues you repeatedly bring up are old news. The Liberty, the supposed control of everything in the world by Jews, the supposed involvement of Israel in attacking its ally. You seem to be under the odd impression that you are the first person in the world to bring this up. As a result of this you are absolutely ignoring all of the time consuming and well thought out research that hundreds of people have put into this. That is not fair. That does not give the proper amount of respect to the issues or to the people who care about them. To put it bluntly, you are just not right. I don't have any way of comprehending how someone is able to dismiss thousands and thousands of educated research projects for no reason other than a personal opinion.

Again you act hypocritically by demanding evidence that Israel was not involved in 9/11. My reply to you is I will provide you with that evidence as soon as you provide me with evidence in black and white that Russia, North Korea, Belgium, China, Zaire, the Congo, New Zealand, and Greenland were not involved in it. As far as I can tell other than toiletbowlhumor.com, uh i mean rense.com you have as much evidence implicating Israel as I do implicating those above mentioned countries.

I do apologize that your arguments are hurt by your own attack-dog tactics. As I said I have no problem debating people's opinions in their proper contexts. However, you do not make this possible because you are too focused on laying out allegations of all sorts no matter how unsubstantiated they may be. As such, there isn't much else to talk about. One can not debate that which does not exist.

Also, if you'd review your own posts (which may have been made in the heat of the moment) you'll understand why no one took you seriously when you stated your problem was simply with the government of Israel. Sorry, no luck there.



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 02:12 AM
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Does this look like Israeli influnce in the U.S.
it does look like the Star of David,
and it is in the House of Representatives, can anyone explain this?



This picture was taking from the website Pulp Non Fiction
pulpnonfiction.blogspot.com...
theres a small video of it plus this still



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 02:19 AM
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Sauron, what in the world are you implying with this? Well, phrased better, what is the author of the site you quote trying to imply with this.

I've watched C-Span a hundred thousand times, and I've been in the House over 50 times and it is in all humility that I say I never once have seen these symbols in the House of Representatives. Does that mean they were never there? I can't say that for certain. What I would be interested in is a date and time on this photo so that I can call someone who would have an answer to your question and promptly return an answer to you. Surely a truth seeking group of people exposing a potential problem in the congress will have a date corresponding to the picture. Give me that date and I will contact a friend who has been working in that chamber for 24 years and provide you with an answer.

Incidentally I couldn't view the mpg on the site due to an error of class not registered. I will try from work tomorrow.



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 02:29 AM
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Originally posted by Djarums
Sauron, what in the world are you implying with this? Well, phrased better, what is the author of the site you quote trying to imply with this.

Beets me thats why I'm asking you guys

the Caption under the picture reads quot: Subliminal Stars of David in Wahington Video
this is the link to the vid
pulpnonfiction.blogspot.com...

the video works for me it's only 3+ seconds and I couldn't find a date on it

[edit on 12-7-2004 by Sauron]



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 02:33 AM
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Well, I certainly agree that if not doctored, that photo would most certainly require an explanation. If the site is one that you frequent perhaps you'd be able to acquire a date for it. It would be extremely difficult for me to start calling people and asking about incidents that I haven't the foggiest idea when they occurred. If you're able to find out when this was alleged to have happened, PLEASE u2u me and I'll do the best I can to find out what the story is.

Thanks.



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 02:45 AM
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I'm not 100% on this but the date above the picture is Wednesday, July07.2004
I really don't know anything about this site I just found it will surfing



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 02:46 AM
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Sauron, those look like Senators to me, not Representatives.



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 02:53 AM
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I just quoted the web site I wouldn't know but thats what it says under the picture House of Representatives
then it says is this the US Congress or the Israeli Knesset?
pulpnonfiction.blogspot.com...



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 08:24 AM
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Don't recognize the room in question, but it's NOT the House or Senate. I too have been to both. Unless these stars were added recently! Yah,...Right!



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 08:45 AM
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Gentlepeople: let's try to keep this discussion civil (if possible !):

I know it's hard sometimes, especially when there are fundamentalist Christians and Jews on this thread...who have a tendence to bring ancient priestly writings placed into the mouth of the clan-god of Israel into every political discussion !

So...1amc:

You have raised a number of intriguing points which really need to be discussed openly and intelligently and---also more thoroughly.

Most of the people on this thread seem very polarised on Israel--just as most Americans themselves are polarised on Israeli policies, especially with respect to the atrocities commited by the Israeli army following Occupation of Palestinian lands since 1967.

As if Deir Yassin wasn't bad enough !

It is difficult for Americans, in my view, who are more or less ignorant of world history (and even more ignorant of religious history) to understand the more subtle underpinnings of Zionism and the gordian knot of Middle East Politics.

Most Americans, as you know, in the public schools are taught history by their gym teachers, so one has to go a little easy on them sometimes !

So we need Fora like this to bring out certain facts into the light of day.

You have more or less stated that there exists shall we say "undue influence" from the Zionist Lobby in the US government.

Presumably you are talking about AIPAC and their tentacles (the American Israeli Political Action Committee(s) who finance a good deal of congressional and senatorial campaigns in the US.

And their "smear" campaigns and strong arm tactics known to have been used in the not so distant past...

Has anyone on this thread taken the time to investigate who actually comprises AIPAC and how much money they actually give every year to US campaign candidates?

What about any influence in the US Press (whose Television "InfoTainment" for ratings "Stations" are owned and operated primarily by 5 multinational corporations)?

Does this have, do you think, anything to do at all with the fact that so many Senators and Congressmen in the US are EXTREMELY loathe to criticise (at least in public) the overtly racist apartheid policies of the State of Israel in the Occupied Territories?

Or make any criticism of the State of Israel at all, as if they are somehow magically above International Law which gave them their state to begin with?

(e.g. we have read signs in the Territories that read: "Jews Only/No Arabs", which sounds Apartheid to me, at least).

Has anyone on this thread researched AIPAC at all?

You mentioned the attempted sinking of the USS Liberty by the (unmarked) Israeli Air Force, which killled several dozen Americans----which you feel was a "deliberate" attempt by the state of Israel to sink a US ship for spying on the Israeli military manouvers having to do with the illegal annexation of the Golan Heights on April 7th 1967.

(I suppose some would say that calling this bombing raid a "tragic error" would be like Adolf Hitler saying in 1945, ooops, sorry, It was a Tragic Error to gas 1.3 million homosexuals, and 1.8 million "gypsies", and 8 million political Aryan Germans and 3.8 to 4.0 million Ashkenazi Jews...sorry!)

Certainly there has been some evidence that has come to light recently by surviving eyewitnesses aboard the ship that the USS Liberty was actively sending "unedited" raw intelligence directly to Washington without Israel getting their hands on it and cleaning up the date to appear "their way". This would have provided the tactical reason for sinking the ship, although it does seem odd that Israel would kill Americans intentionally, since the US taxpayer more or less finances their government.

Of course the USS Liberty Incident was classified Top Secret, and only now are eyewitnesses coming foreward...but it does make you stop and think that perhaps Israel is using the US for its own purposes...

You also claim that somehow the Zionists and certain core members of the Israeli Mossad were somehow involved with allowing 9-11 to occur or at least not passing on warning information.

And we all know about the Lavon Incident in the 1950s, and alleeged Mossad involvement in other terrorist activities blamed on "Arabs"--but it is very hard to know when the Mossad is active and when they are not.

The Kennedy connexion is curious to say the least...!

Al-Jazira claims that 5,000 "Jews" didn't show up for work in the WTC building on the morning of 9-11-2001, but I have not seen an "absentee list" to verify this claim.

Has anyone even bothered to get one? If not, why not? Wouldn't that be the first thing they'd want to look at? (in other words, WHO KNEW IN ADVANCE?)

But to say that 5,000 Jews just didn;t show up for work, sounds a little specious to say the least...in the absence of any hard evidence.

In two buildings holding 15,000 employees each, (total of 30,000 persons) one would expect roughly 5,000 people to be either on sick leave or on vacation on average, right?

Has anyone on this thread seen an "Employee Absentee List" for the morning of 9-11-2001?

It would be curious to say the least if evidence was discovered that several thousand people were AWOL (i.e. without advanced excused absences!)

Do you have any further "hard" proof of Mossad Involvement with 9-11?

One hears all sorts of rumours, but one imagines getting ahold of primary evidence that has been classified TOP SECRET by the US Govt would be hard to come by !

Presumably, in your view, something along "Mossad Involvement" lines would help explain Ariel Sharon's puzzling statement that afternoon in his press conference viz. "Today...we are all Israelis" followed 8 hours later by his ruthless military re-invasion of Gaza strip which tore down the houses of more than 500 Palestinian civilians....under the guise of "national security" which of course is the same tack that Hitler used to gas his political enemies...

Perhaps the "five laughing Mossad agents" (now happily released back to Tel Aviv, courtesty of the US Govt) who had been perched atop the building next door on the morning of 9-11 to the WTC with all that high tech photographic equipment (set up AN HOUR before the attacks!) has something to do with your feeling that there is something NOT QUITE RIGHT with the US government's "top secret" classification of evidence leading to an alleged Israeli involvement with 9-11.

I suppose we should wonder why these Five Laughing Israeli Mossad Agents are not strung up somewhere in Guantanamo Bay...and why the US Govt has classifed all of their testimony as "Top Secret."

Don't the American people have a right to know what these so-called "camera weilding gentlepersons" have to say for themselves?

If anyone can comment intelligently and calmly on these issues, please do so.

This discussion is very important to those who are knowledgeable about the "wider picture" of Middle Eastern Politics, and may one day involve your son and daughter who might get drafted into serving US interests in the region....



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 09:24 AM
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Not sure if 9/11 was a conspiracy involving the Isrealis but we all gotta
admit our support of Isreal, financially, has given muslim extremists
quite the excuse to target us!

Anyone who says "we shouldn't support Isreal" is labled a "Nazi" in this country. It's disgusting.

Why should non-Jews support sending billions to Isreal each year?

Furthermore, why should *anyone* send money abroad when US citizens here at home need help?

Heads of Jewish orgs are obsessed with this issue, as you know.

You dare state your opinion and they jump to brand you "anti-semetic." It's funny how they use the same tactics the Nazi's used in WW2, right? Anyone who dared disagree with Hitler was called "anti-German."

When the US was formed our colonists didn't get any "aide" from anyone;
why the hell should we give "aide" by the billions to another country? Let Isreal prove her strength by surviving on her own.

Too many Jews think the world owes them something it seems. They weren't the only ones destroyed in WW2 for heavens sake. Non Jewish Russians, Poles, Germans & Brits were killed as well.

OH OH - I hear a knock at my door. Must be the Jewish Defense League
coming to take me away for being "a Nazi". Hahahaha.

Our country needs to stand up to Jews who pull the "Nazi" card. That doesn't imply using voilence, obviously. We just need to let Isreal-obsessed Jews know we're not going to fall for the "anti-semetic" tag.
It takes courage, people. The billions of dollars being sent overseas
could be used to help fellow Americans *who live in America*.



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 09:42 AM
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I could easily argue both sides of your points. I have asserted in previous threads that the answer to Islamic Terror is for the US to abandon all presence in the Middle East. Isreal is capable of defending itself.

There are multiple reasons for our involvement in the region and our support for Isreal, the least of which have anything to do with attempting to help "Jews." Look to viscious self interest and you will find the answer to our continued support of the ONLY democracy in the region.



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 09:51 AM
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Give the Palestinian army a few Apache helicopters and then see what happens over there, I bet it would put an end to the suicide bombers.

The more you fight with the other side, the more the other side fights back. but if we even things up a bit, it might get interesting.



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 10:32 AM
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Please refrain from insulting yourself by making comments like 5,000 Jews didn't show up to work at the trade center. It greatly takes away from your credibility.

If you would do a better job researching you would probably find that most jobs at the wtc and most other places in America start at 9AM. Considering that this chain of events began before 9AM that would explain why only 3,000 people died. Believe me as someone who spent a fair amount of time in the WTC, if this all had happened at around 1:30PM when people had returned from lunch, you could add another 0 to the casualty total.


Secondly, last time I checked it was illegal in this country for an employer to discriminate when hiring employees for certain reasons. Documents containing personal information like "marital status", "sexual orientation", and "religion" do not exist. The only Jews that would be plainly obvious walking around would be the Hasidic ones because the more modern, conservative, reformed etc Jews do not wear any distinct religious garment.

According to your theory there must have existed some person working in the lobby who was able to watch every person going through the door and say "Jew/NonJew". Pretty amazing!!

In fact not only was this person able to do that but he was also the only person on the face of the earth who was able to hand in documents containing perfectly accurate attendance reports for the morning of September 11th. Yes, he kept those records safe and sound through hell.

So, in conclusion I will expect and await you to change your statement to "Those 5,000 Jews, that no one knows who they are but me, obviously did not arrive early to work that day, wherever that may have been."

Thanks for understanding the importance of historical accuracy and the very sad problem we face in society today of people spouting accusations they do not understand and can not support.

[edit on 7-12-2004 by Djarums]



posted on Jul, 13 2004 @ 12:51 PM
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Interesting comments.



by Jerry Russell, Ph.D.




Steel frame towers are built very strongly. They need to withstand the pressure of gale-force winds, the violent rocking motion of earthquakes, and the ravages of time. For this reason, they are almost impossible to destroy.

Airplane strikes do not destroy skyscrapers. A bomber strike to the Empire State Building during World War II did not harm that building. The World Trade Center towers were designed to survive a strike by a Boeing 707. The 767 is more massive, so the building was stressed near its design limits. But if a failure had occurred at that moment, it would have been at the point of highest levered stress, near the base of the tower, and the tower would have fallen over like a giant tree in a forest windstorm. That, of course, did not happen.

Fires do not destroy skyscrapers. Never in the history of steel frame structures has a single one been destroyed by fire.

How to destroy a skyscraper. So, how do you destroy a skyscraper? Suppose you need the vacant land to build another one, for example.

A nuclear bomb is very effective, but it can be difficult to get permits from the city.

An early invention was the wrecking ball. A huge lump of steel and lead is swung from a massive chain at high speed. With the benefit of momentum, it is able to bend or break a few girders at a time. But it would be a hopeless task to destroy a tower the size of the World Trade Center, using a wrecking ball.

The most effective, cleanest, safest way to destroy a skyscraper is known as controlled demolition. The trick is to distribute explosives at key points throughout the structure. The explosives are detonated simultaneously, destroying the integrity of the steel frame at key points, such that no part of the building is supported against the force of gravity. The entire mass is pulled swiftly to earth, where gravity does the work of pounding the structure into tiny fragments of steel and concrete. The gravitational potential energy of the structure is converted smoothly and uniformly into kinetic energy, and then is available very efficiently to pulverize the fragments of the building as they impact against the unyielding earth. Controlled demolitions have a striking and characteristic appearance of smooth, flowing collapse.

As your eyes will tell you, the World Trade Center collapses looked like controlled demolitions. Here's the proof.

The proof. According to the law of gravity, it is possible to calculate the time it takes for an object to fall a given distance. The equation is H=(1/2)at2, where H is the height, a is the acceleration of gravity (10 meters per second squared) and t is time in seconds. Plug in the height of the building at 1350 feet (411 meters) and we get 9 seconds. That is just about the length of time it took for the very top of the World Trade Center to fall to the street below. According to all reports, the whole thing was over in just about ten seconds.

It is as if the entire building were falling straight down through thin air. As if the entire solid structure below, the strong part which had not been burned or sliced or harmed in any significant way, just disappeared into nothingness. Yet this (within a small tolerance) is what we would expect to find if there had been a controlled demolition, because the explosions below really do leave the upper stories completely unsupported. Like the Road Runner after he runs off the edge of the cliff, the entire building pauses a moment, then goes straight down.

Any kind of viscous process or friction process should have slowed the whole thing down. Like dropping a lead ball into a vat of molasses, or dropping a feather into the air, gravitational acceleration cannot achieve its full effect if it is fighting any opposing force. In the case of the World Trade Center, the intact building below should have at least braked the fall of the upper stories. This did not happen. There was no measurable friction at all.

This proves controlled demolition.

We have been lied to. We have been lied to about this, at multiple levels. The first lie was that the load of fuel from the aircraft was the cause of structural failure. No kerosene fire can burn hot enough to melt steel. In point of fact, most of the fuel in the jets was contained in their wing tanks. The thin aluminum of the tanks was pierced or stripped as the airplanes penetrated the walls of the towers, and the result was the huge fireball which was seen on national TV, where most of this fuel was burned.

A hot, vigorous fire would have blown out many windows in the building and would have burned a red or white color. This was not what happened. The fire in the World Trade Center was an ordinary smoldering office fire.

But let's suppose that the fire was hot enough to melt steel. What would have happened in that case? Before it breaks, hot steel begins to bend. This redistributes the forces in the structure and puts elastic stress on those parts that are still cool. The process is asymmetric, so that the structure should visibly bend before breaking. But of course, no steel skyscraper has even bent over in a fire.

Let's suppose the structure were sufficiently weakened that it did fail catastrophically near the point of the airplane strike. In this case, the intact structure below would exert an upward force on the base of the upper story portion of the building (the part that has been broken loose), while any asymmetry would allow the force of gravity to work uninhibited on the tip of the skyscraper. Thus, the top section of the skyscraper would tip and fall sideways.

If it did not tip, it would have ground straight down through the building below. The gravitational potential energy of the upper stories would be coupled into the frame below, beginning to destroy it. The frame below would deflect elastically, absorbing energy in the process of deflecting. At weak points, the metal structure would break, but the elastic energy absorbed into the entire frame would not be available to do more destruction. Instead, it would be dissipated in vibration, acoustic noise and heat. Eventually this process would grind to a halt, because the gravitational potential energy of a skyscraper is nowhere near sufficient to destroy its own frame.

If the World Trade Center towers had been built entirely out of concrete, they might have stood for awhile before toppling in the wind. But in that case, if they had collapsed straight downwards, the energy required to pulverize the concrete would have slowed the downward progress of the upward stories. The gravitational potential energy of the World Trade Center was barely sufficient to convert its concrete into powder, and for that to happen in an accidental collapse would have been impossible, but would have taken a lot longer than 10 seconds in any case.

How it was done. The World Trade Center was leased by Westfield America and Larry Silverstein, on April 26th, 2001. Zim Israeli Shipping moved out of the buildings around that time. With a certain amount of shuffling of tenants from floor to floor, it should have been easy (with all the commotion and noise of remodeling) to plant explosives on several floors; enough for at least a sloppy kind of controlled demolition.

There was more "magic" at work on 9/11, to produce the effects that were seen on the TeeVee.

The events of 9/11, summarized. Taken all together, the evidence suggests very strongly that the attacks of 9/11 were fake terror, and quite possibly were a collaborative venture of the Israeli and US governments.

Student pilots from Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations were enrolled in flight schools in Venice, Florida and other locations. The flight school in Venice is linked to CIA drug running operations, according to one researcher.

A recently leaked document from the US Drug Enforcement Agency indicates that a number of Israeli intelligence operatives describing themselves as art students took up residences in close physical proximity to the Arabs as they moved about the country.

The Arab flight students boarded the flights on 9/11. Did they intend to hijack the airliners, and if so, for what purpose? Had the Israelis played in any way the role of agent provocateur in organizing whatever was planned? It seems reasonable to conjecture that the goals of these Arabs were opposed in some way to some US Middle Eastern policy. It would be very interesting to question the Israelis regarding their knowledge of the Arab flight students.

At any rate, if the Arab flight students had been ordinary hijackers, they might have taken the controls of the airplane, but their plot should have quickly been foiled for two reasons.

First of all, the Boeing 757 and 767 aircraft are probably equipped with remote-controlled flight computers for purposes of hijack recovery. This was stated by a British intelligence operative and was also suggested by a former German secretary of defense. The technology needed for such systems is well known, and its utility is obvious. If these systems had been operative on 9/11, then they should have been used to take control from the hijackers.

Secondly, the US air force has standard operating procedure to send jet fighters to intercept hijacked aircraft within minutes after they are reported. These fighters may be armed and are certainly very maneuverable, and an airliner cannot hope to match them.

For these reasons, the Arab hijackers' mission should have been an ignominious failure. These measures (as well as pre-9/11 airport security measures) have been effective enough that hijacking has rarely been a problem for many years now.

But on 9/11, the remote control systems were not used to bring the planes home, nor did fighters scramble to escort. Instead, the airplanes executed highly skilled aerobatic maneuvers (well beyond any known educational background of the Arab student pilots) and crashed into the World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon. If the remote controls were used, who was operating them?

The World Trade Center towers are designed to withstand aircraft impact, which they did for about an hour. Then they collapsed directly to the ground, with remarkably little collateral damage to surrounding buildings, in a manner strikingly resembling the appearance of controlled demolitions. The US government claims that fire was responsible for the collapse, and this is certainly possible, but many reports have overstated the likely heat of the fire and the amount of fuel from the airplanes which was not consumed in the fireballs outside the towers.

If explosives had been planted in the World Trade Center towers, they could have been used to trigger the collapse of the towers. Building 7 was destroyed later in the afternoon. It was never hit by any airplane, so there is no known reason (besides explosives) for it to have collapsed into rubble. However, a cloud of dust was seen in the area of building 7 immediately before the collapse of the south tower, which has not been explained.

While the whole attack was going on (a period well over an hour) George W. Bush sat in a classroom and listened to a story about goats, and the US military did not respond to the first three attacks. A fourth flight was also "hijacked" that day, but it was apparently struck down by some sort of missile or bomb before crashing in Pennsylvania.

Within hours, a massive media campaign to blame the attacks on Arabs and specifically on Osama Bin Laden was begun, and this campaign has continued to the present day. Our traditional American form of government, unfortunately, may not survive -- the Patriot Act appears poised to supersede the Bill of Rights.

Given the many uncertainties about these events, it certainly seems that there should be more questions, more investigations, and more thoughtfulness about the responsibilities of the various parties involved. A little bit of logic will reveal that the Arabs alone could not have been solely responsible for the entire chain of events. It is equally unlikely that the Israelis could have pulled it off alone. Yet instead the US government is gathering up support for war against Middle Eastern nations, a tragic response to the enigmatic events of that day.

The author has a master's degree in Engineering from Stanford University, and a Ph.D. in Psychology from the University of Oregon.

Here are links:

Justin Raimondo www.antiwar.com...
Michael Rivero www.whatreallyhappened.com...
Eric Hufschmid geocities.com...
Jared Israel emperors-clothes.com...


Respects,

[edit on 13-7-2004 by 1amc]





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