Max Keiser tells the world to Crash JP Morgan, buy silver, page 1


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Topic started on 12-11-2010 @ 12:58 PM by sp00n1

Max Keiser tells the world to Crash JP Morgan, buy silver


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On the 27th October two traders, Brian Beatty and Peter Laskaris, filed lawsuits against both JP Morgan and HSBC accusing them of manipulating the price of silver by “amassing enormous short positions”. The following day the National Inflation Association (NIA) assessed that JP Morgan are so short on silver and that the silver market is so tight that “…. silver prices could literally rise to $50 per ounce overnight. NIA estimates that $50 per ounce silver would mean approximately $4 billion in...
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reply posted on 12-11-2010 @ 02:00 PM by sp00n1
reply to post by erumisato



something big is going on. i think a lot of people can sense this.

things seem to be hanging precariously on the edge, just waiting for that one proverbial straw to let loose.

this fraud is enormous, and everybody knows about it. few would argue that crooked banksters on wall street are not responsible. the problem is that these crooks cannot be prosecuted because our government is just as corrupt.

what can a little guy do?


reply posted on 12-11-2010 @ 02:32 PM by sp00n1
Check out this article by Bix Weir

BLATANT MARKET MANIPULATION IS EMBARRASSING THE "NEW" CFTC

On November 3rd I sent out an alert to people who follow my newsletter warning them that the CFTC has decided to allow the Banking Cabal one more shot at rigging the Silver market before they end the practice of "officially sanctioned" manipulation.

Under Dodd-Frank reform legislation, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission must start to increase regulation of swaps and other ways to lower risk. But CFTC Commissioner Michael Dunn is concerned over funding. He said one-third of the staff is working on writing regulations, which means they've had to cut back on surveillance and oversight.





reply posted on 12-11-2010 @ 08:00 PM by JR MacBeth
Great thread, hope people get in here and learn about this important issue.

In spite of the big drop in metals prices today, there is a bull running strong. The establishment that has allowed this massive fraud to go one for DECADES, is doing everything they can to stop the bull. The big drop was predictable, as they attacked using their usual method, they changed the rules.

Raising the per contract amount from $5K by $1,500 to $6.5K took the wind out of a lot of the longs, in just two short days. This is what they have done forever! With the big drop, the several big banks at the center of the fraud can then work on unwinding their ridiculous positions. Of course, they saved all their ammo for Friday, typical.

But there is a bigger issue going on. Yes, the authorities turned a blind eye over and over to this fraud, but in part because it was connected to the bigger fraud of global fiat currency. It is paramount to depress metals, if fiat currency it to retain value.

The thing is, with recent announcements by the IMF that suggest a return to something like a "gold standard", these big banks who have used the tiny silver market as a cash cow, are stuck with having to dance to a different tune. Sure, they are being "allowed" to unwind their positions somewhat in an orderly manner, by all appearances, but there are other players too, perhaps not as well appreciated.

It would only take ONE billionaire to destroy the silver fraud. The fact that they haven't (until now?) says a whole lot. But China is now playing a role too, advocating it's emerging middle class to buy silver, even advertising to stoke the demand. This portends a sea change, and Kitco recently had an article on their front page about someone they sent to China to actually witness the Chinese common man buying their traditional safe-haven, hand-over-fist.

For those who are curious, Google up names like Ted Butler, Professor Israel Friedman, and others, who have tried to expose the fraud for decades. Learn the facts: Above ground silver is FIVE TIMES rarer than gold!

Silver is not merely the investment of a lifetime. When you really learn about it, you will see that it is very likely to be the investment of ALL HUMAN HISTORY.

JR



reply posted on 12-11-2010 @ 08:36 PM by OrwellWasAnOptimist
reply to post by sp00n1



Right on brother...I'm all over this.
Going to purchase a couple hundred dollars worth of bar or rounds on Monday!!




reply posted on 12-11-2010 @ 10:49 PM by Dance4Life
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Here is what I do not comprehend, and I'm not really sure how this point is even refutable.

The position limit in Silver Futures = 6000 contracts.

JPM must report and the CME knows at all times what their position level is.

According to the CME it would be impossible to have more than 6,000 contracts because this is a breach of Rule 560. See here

6000 contracts * 5,000 troy oz. = 30,000,000 troy oz.

So I can tell you how many ounces they have or are under contract for delivery for at most at any one time. It is 30,000,000 troy oz.

Before you ask, yes, firms do get penalized for going over the limit. If I recall correctly, UBS recently was penalized for exceeding position limits. Here is the link

Why do I read on some quasi-blog informational websites that Silver has no position limits? But then it starts to make sense because then they in turn try to sell you or give you a link to a vendor that will sell it to you at a markup. I have seen this before. It is called sensationalism to drive retail players into the marketplace.

Where am I going wrong? I just have a really hard time understanding all of this. I have never traded a silver contract in my life but have been involved with the CME before and never have I been led to think anything is suspect.

If I am wrong please feel free to correct me. I am hoping someone can clear this up with factual information.


reply posted on 12-11-2010 @ 11:00 PM by sp00n1
reply to post by Dance4Life



what's really difficult to comprehend is your source. the 560 rules listed for the us are petroleum? and europe?

also, why would CFTC chairman be calling for limits, as recently at 11/1/10, if they already existed?

CFTC’s Chilton calls for limits on financial futures

and

CFTC Announces Participants for Public Meeting to Examine Futures and Options Trading in the Metals Markets

as a matter of fact, the only limits that exist are on the long side, ie the people trying to buy silver. there are no limits on the short side, or even realistic collateral requirements for margin accounts on the short side.

what does this mean? the banks can sell as much silver as they want without needing to prove they actually have it. then once the banks push the prices down, they buy into the weakness to cover their short positions.

but they buyers need to produce the collateral up front, and cant get anywhere near the same leverage as the shorts.
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reply posted on 12-11-2010 @ 11:07 PM by Dance4Life
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I don't understand. Did you go to the link?

Page 60 - it could be that the link doesn't copy the page number correctly.

I know this is the case, but I'll ask the question in another way.

Would you believe what is posted on Ron Paul's website? It also states that 6,000 contracts is the maximum.

Scroll down 3/4 of the page

Trust me, the position limit is 6000 contracts * 5000 troy oz. a contract.

What are you speaking of when you refer to Europe etc.? Is there another exchange? If so, please let me know.


reply posted on 12-11-2010 @ 11:14 PM by sp00n1
reply to post by Dance4Life



So I can tell you how many ounces they have or are under contract for delivery for at most at any one time. It is 30,000,000 troy oz.


according to your link, that 30,000,000 oz figure is almost equal to the entire annual production of the US. so, any one entity can short an entire years worth of silver production EACH MONTH and you 'cant comprehend' how that would affect the markets?!?!

and thats just ONE entity. that does not include the second, HSBC, or the other 3rd parties.

and, how does a bank produce an entire years worth of mined silver each month? especially considering that average industrial demand for silver used over 150% of average annual mine production?!?!

oh, but its only 30,000,000 oz each month.... right


also from your link:

In my opinion, this is the key to ending the silver manipulation, along with throwing out phony hedge exemptions to that limit for the big banks


big banks have an exemption for 'hedging'.... case closed
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reply posted on 12-11-2010 @ 11:16 PM by Dance4Life
reply to post by sp00n1



Sorry, you are wrong again.

Let's go back to the link I provided.

The annual silver production annually is stated to be at 700,000,000 troy oz.

Again, you are providing no facts.

However, the current accountability level of COMEX silver is more problematic. The current silver accountability level is 6000 contracts, or 30 million ounces. This is 4.3% of world annual silver mine production of roughly 700 million ounces, head and shoulders above any other commodity of finite supply.


Do you work for a company that resells Silver?

I'm sorry, you said USA.
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