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posted on Nov, 11 2010 @ 09:07 AM
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If this is what you believe, then why are trying to become a Free Mason?



Originally posted by fordrew
I am not Catholic nor Christian, but I was born and raised a Catholic and that is why I am probing my interest.

So this discussion does not change anything.


So if was not a factor why bring it up? If your belief does not conflict why would it be an issue?

I was rasied Roman Catholic but found it incompatible with my own sentiments long before I became a Mason. I honestly do not care what the Vatican thinks of me and my position.




posted on Nov, 11 2010 @ 09:12 AM
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More often than not, the ones saying there is an incompatibility know the least about Freemasonry and are usually fundamentalists/extremists in their beliefs.



posted on Nov, 11 2010 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by Saurus

Yes, Freemasonry does not state anywhere that all religions are equal attempts at the truth, but is it not implied in the charge?

In my interpretation, if the VSL is the unerring standard of truth, and it could be the Holy Book of the whatever religion of the Brother in question, then wouldn't this make the VSL of every religion carry equal weight?


I consider the use of "multiple" VSL to be an innovation, and is not allowed in my jurisdiction. The Holy Bible must be used as a "symbol of the Divine Will", and whether or not one believes its contents to be literally true is irrelevant. Traditionally, Masonic Lodges have used the Bible only, and the addition of multiple texts is a modern phenomenon, and in my opinion, spoils the meaning of the primitive symbol.

Also, the phrase "unerring standard of truth", as you mentioned, is taken from the more modern Emulation Rite, and not the Antient York Rite.



posted on Nov, 11 2010 @ 09:15 AM
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See, the way I see it, whose religion is the "right" religion is an argument that can never be won. None of us will know if we were right or wrong until we're dead (if we even find out then…). I don't see Masonry teaching indifference, or even "equality" of religions, merely tolerance. If we can set aside our differences and still work towards a common goal, then we're doing something productive with our time on earth.



posted on Nov, 11 2010 @ 09:16 AM
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Aah, yes, that would explain our differences in opinion.

As you say, in my jurisdiction, we do follow the more recent 'emulation' ritual.



posted on Nov, 11 2010 @ 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus


If this is what you believe, then why are trying to become a Free Mason?



Originally posted by fordrew
I am not Catholic nor Christian, but I was born and raised a Catholic and that is why I am probing my interest.

So this discussion does not change anything.


So if was not a factor why bring it up? If your belief does not conflict why would it be an issue?

I was rasied Roman Catholic but found it incompatible with my own sentiments long before I became a Mason. I honestly do not care what the Vatican thinks of me and my position.



Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by fordrew
 

More often than not, the ones saying there is an incompatibility know the least about Freemasonry and are usually fundamentalists/extremists in their beliefs.


To be honest I am arguing for my fundamentalist friend. I already know that masonry is nowhere near anti Catholic / Christian.... in fact , as one user pointed out, it is more like the other way around... Church is anti-mason.
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posted on Nov, 11 2010 @ 09:46 AM
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In a certain sense, I have a deep respect for Catholicism. It, along with the Eastern Orthodox Church, is really the only congregation that maintains the primitive Christian Mystery in its fullness. Most Protestant denominations, especially of the evangelical ilk, have debased the Holy Sacrament into something that's "just symbolic", and give out communion wafers and Welch's grape juice in the church gym once every few months.

Were the RCC to drop its ban on Freemasonry,along with a few other much needed reforms, I'd consider joining the Church myself, so I'm certainly not anti-Catholic.



posted on Nov, 11 2010 @ 03:48 PM
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I contacted one of my best friends from when I was kindergarden to write me a recommendation letter and he is Catholic, and he told me that the freemasons are anti-Catholic?


This is true. When the Knights of Columbus host a Spaghetti Dinner we host a Spaghetti and Salad Dinner, just to steal their thunder!

We also have better hats and swords in the Templars >=)



you can't be a christian or catholic and be in freemasonry .


I could have sworn ... and I don't know, it's probably that crazy 12 years of Catholic education I went through .. that being a Christian was a state of mind, a way of practice, a display of action and a way of faith.

I was unaware that being a Christian meant the identification of one group or another and exclusively so.

You can be a Christian and be a Mason. Any Christian who says otherwise is a hypocrite, a fool, a bigot and I can assure you, not a Christian at all.



So is this true there are no Catholics and do you really hate Catholics?


Freemasonry cannot have a stance on Religion, we do not talk about it.. any creed my join, we don't ask, we don't care. As long as you believe in a God of some form.

And technically, it's Catholics and so called "Christians" (who are actually more in line with Satanist that they preach against) that despise Masonry for all it's "open mindedness" .....



So I hear you are automatically excommunicated from the Catholic church if you are a mason.


That actually is true.

No one, especially in America will enforce that..

Except one douche bag Cardinal who reiterated it a few years ago.. he was somewhere down South..

Anyways, excommunication literally means you cannot take communion .. I'd withdraw my right to a Jesus Cracker for my Lodge any day.. not much a fan of bigots, see..

Most of the "important" founding Fathers were Freemasons, and even more were Deist (who don't recognize organized religion)

America was founded on Enlightened Ideology (which was the foundation of Masonry) as well as the Christian belief system with a Roman/Greco legal system tied with Judeo/Christian philosophy. Why would everything have to be exclusive to make sense? That in it's self makes no sense.



posted on Nov, 12 2010 @ 05:08 PM
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From what I am reading of the various posts, it seems that every group is slightly different. Very cool to see other masons on here! I sort of figured I was not alone but didn't realize there were so many different "types".

Does anyone care to share the oath that they took?

Mine was as follows:
" ....."
Oh wait. It's a secret. Hehehehe...


Have you noticed that a large portion of this site thinks that we are all out to conquer the World? Why do you think that is? I am often asked why I joined and if it feels good to know I contribute to so much suffering in the World...
edit on 12-11-2010 by NeverApologize because: Ughhh



posted on Nov, 12 2010 @ 06:28 PM
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At this point I’d wager there are at least a dozen Masons on ATS—possibly as many as 20—including a few moderators—and from all over the world. We’ve got members of just about every appendent body, past Masters, 33° Scottish Rite, and various other awards and titles represented. The font of Masonic knowledge on ATS actually runs fairly deep, despite the fact that most of the time we’re dealing with the same types of attack over and over.



posted on Nov, 12 2010 @ 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by JoshNorton
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At this point I’d wager there are at least a dozen Masons on ATS—possibly as many as 20—including a few moderators—and from all over the world. We’ve got members of just about every appendent body, past Masters, 33° Scottish Rite, and various other awards and titles represented. The font of Masonic knowledge on ATS actually runs fairly deep, despite the fact that most of the time we’re dealing with the same types of attack over and over.



what kind of attacks? just curious.



posted on Nov, 12 2010 @ 09:01 PM
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lol...okay.

I have a dear friend who is Catholic and thinks highly of Freemasonry, but will not join because he feels it would conflict with his personal religious beliefs. I told him, I understood and insisted that he wants to join an organization join the Knights of Columbus.


Originally posted by Rockpuck
We also have better hats and swords in the Templars >=)

lol...yeah, I'm pretty partial to our swords and outfits.

reply to post by fordrew
 

Oh, the whole slew of Masonic conspiracies usually come in cycles here. Usually someone jumps on, posts some baseless lies, attacks the user, and then gets offended when we post back. They just expect us to take it on the chin.



posted on Nov, 12 2010 @ 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by fordrew
what kind of attacks? just curious.
It generally goes something like this: (check any or all, completely at random, for an example...)


Masons are a tool of [ ] the Jesuits, [ ] the Queen of England, [ ] the Vatican. They hate [ ] blacks, [ ] women, [ ] black women and engage in [ ] ritual sacrifice, [ ] child pornography, [ ] prostitution as part of their worship of [ ] Satan (not to be confused with) [ ] Lucifer, [ ] the sacred masculine and/or feminine, [ ] themselves. And any Mason who denies this must be too low level to know better. But I, who's never been within 100 feet of a lodge room, know the real truth, because I [ ] watch YouTube videos, [ ] read fundamentalist Christian websites, [ ] believe Alex Jones and/or David Icke. So there!
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posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 06:12 AM
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OMG! this is awesome! I am copying that and bringing it to our next meeting! Thank you for that.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

If anyone wants to learn a little bit about Masons in my area, check out the PDF above. Very cool.
MASONS: If you think there is something wrong with the above, PLEASE, discuss with me and I will correct it.
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This was written by an outsider... Giggle Giggle...
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posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 09:04 AM
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Heh, what's NOT wrong with that link? It's wrong from the very first sentence, because Freemasonry isn't a religion. Then you can counter the Corinthians quote with Revelations 20:12 "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

p7 neither Adam Weishaupt nor the Bavarian Illuminati ever used the eye in an unfinished pyramid as a symbol. This is a lie invented, as best I can tell, by WIlliam Guy Carr in his 1956 book "Pawns in the Game". There are no historical documents that back it up, and he cites no sources.

There's really no reason to go any further with such dribble.



posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 09:11 AM
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bro,masons just want you to believe in some god/entity/in something above us.
they are allright with all religions.

catholic churches most of them hate masonry,and would want to denounce you if you join the masons.
but that dosnt mean your not a christian anymore,you can be a orthodox, do you think there is even any difference between orthodox and catholics? its christianity,the same. if your a christian, you are.
as far as you know catholics wont even know, you wont just go the church and shout IM A MASON.
you know what you are, and masonry dosnt make you denounce catholism religion, just some angry old popes can want to excomunicate you,and their just people,their not god,so?



posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 10:11 AM
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I'm pretty sure Carr never cites any sources. its all baseless accusations that he did, and upon which most lies today are based.



posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 04:58 PM
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And to add, there are a few here like myself who looked into Masonry and, while deciding it wasn't for them, still learned much along the way.

I ended up not joining, after a good while of thinking about it.



posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by RuneSpider
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And to add, there are a few here like myself who looked into Masonry and, while deciding it wasn't for them, still learned much along the way.
Yes, sorry for leaving you out. Your own contribuions to the Masonic topics on ATS have always been as open minded, if not even more on-topic, than many of our own members.
I'd wager Augustus would buy you a beer any time you might want to visit him in that alcohol-plentiful state. The rest of us would gladly offer you sweat tea to your heart's content, but I don't think that's as appealing an offer...



posted on Nov, 13 2010 @ 05:24 PM
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Hah! Well, I'll take a beer offered to me, but I enjoy sweet tea better.
As far as it goes, however, with as many people as think me and Augustus are one and the same, I may take him up on that, should he offer.





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