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reply posted on 10-11-2004 @ 11:04 AM by skippytjc
I wont try to justify the Marines REactions to what they did in the video. But we need to think a bit deeper about what we see in it. At face value its a horrendous murder of a wounded enemy soldier. But was it really? We need to think much bigger than this one incedent.

The Geneva Convention and all war time rules and laws for that matter are many decades old. When these mandates were put into place soldiers fought soldiers. Soldiers could identify thier enemy, who the enemy was is clear in most cases. The lines between war zones were apparent most often.

Now we fight in a day and age where our enemy will employ anything to reach thier goal. They will(and do) hide behind women and childeren as they fight. Literally. They hide bombs and could care less who they kill. Terror is thier weapon and there are NO rules. They plant bombs on women and send them into a crowd to denonate. Its dirty fighting to the very definition and core. Terrorists follow no law.

Now again, I cannot (and will not) justify the thoughts and feelings those Marines expressed during and after that incedent, but can easily understand killing that man given the possible situation.

This man could have been wired to blow up. Is that reasonable? Now days not only is that a reasonable assumption it actually happens. He could have been going for his gun or a grenade. Understand people that this enemy will stop at nothing, death is considered a glorious event. In a situation where your enemy is not afraid to die, actually looking forward to myrterdom, you cannot take any chances at all. The Japanese in WWII used suicide as a technique and fought to the death, but even they had rules and honor they lived by. They could be measured and you could expect and anticipate them to a degree. Not the new enemy.

What would your reaction be if the video portrayed a US Marine getting blown to peices as he kneeled over this man trying to help him? I have a feeling your view would be quite different.

I think the bottom line regarding this video is this: These soldiers are fighting in conditions never before experienced. Against an enemy that will do anything without hesitation and play by no rules. Under these circumstances you can take nothing for granted. I think only under the most controlled and obvious conditions should a US soldier approach a wounded enemy in Iraq. Anything less could easily result in dead Marines.

Unless we were there, we MUST assume that these marines felt it was neccessary to kill that man, no matter what the thoughts conveyed on camera were. Please also remember that these are KIDS for all intents and purposes and thier expressions about the incedent reflect that.

I will conclude that until you and I get suited up and start carrying a gun and start patroling Iraqi streets we need to side with our troops: Our Fathers, Mothers, Brothers, Sisters, Sons, Daughters, friends. And they are thier right now in the crosshairs of an unpredictable and determined enemy...


reply posted on 4-12-2004 @ 03:52 PM by Parhelia
Originally posted by celticniall
..Americans..the good guys ????????!!!

Don't make me laugh, there has never been a more dangerous time , and it's all thanks to you yanks!

You think you are the only people living in the world, look around you idiots!
People are living their lives in relative peace and Yank soldiers bomb and shoot innocent people, Iraq had no intention of attacking the US, nor had ANY links to Al Quaeda, but that didn't stop you, OIL was there, that was enough reason!
Get off your high horse, and look at yourselves....nothing but barbarians!!!
BUSH is a DICTATOR and you lot are sheep, following him around......what a sad country the US is.


Americans are the good guys... We as a collective population (for the most part) do not think that we are the only people living in the world. We do, however, have some leadership that make us all look as if we are.

When you direct your comments at us as-if we are all just as self-rightous as our leadership, it puts you in the aggressor's seat, and leaves you open for verbal attack from others, just as you have us. You really don't want that.

We do know that the US, Jesus and George W. are not all the same entity. He is the only one who feels/thinks that way.

IMO, you were right on target about the OIL bit, and most of the US believe that way.

Your SHEEP comment is way out of line. There are those who, by constitutional-law, have to follow Dubya's orders, but not as sheep, as professional military members... just as your military follows the orders of your country's leader. (Damn, I don't even like sheep.)

Have yourself a fine day.

parhelia, out
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