You think you deserve to earn more than $200k a year?

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posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 01:52 AM
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As more time passes I am beginning to think the spiritual communist's are right to a certain degree. Communism is after all an economic theory and would actually fit in nicely with our Constitution. And it would take less then a year to turn America into a Constitutional Communist Country.

All the Government would have to do is pass very, very strict freedom of Information law's(meaning if bureaucrats give you the end run= jail sentence for them). Nationalize all Corporations registered/licensed in America. So in effect to eliminate the idea of corporations that enable it's owners to hide behind legal paperwork and limited liability. Let's face it, Corporations as an idea, concept, is a very, very bad idea.

Only allow private businesses with unlimited liability. That would ensure that business owners act in good faith as they would be personally ruined if they acted in bad faith.

Major things like automotive, aerospace, military development,train's/airlines, water/sewage and energy should be handled by Society at Large(the Citizenry as a whole aka what a government is supposed to be). In order to make sure the same thing that happened to other government bureaucracies doesn't happen with these "nationalized corporations" is to convert them into entities like the Marine Corp.

Use military like pay grades and keep it a meritocracy. Of course it would ruin the parasites, but the real capitalist's would benefit from this. The most skilled capitalist's would still rise to the top and enjoy a better pay grade(comparable to pay levels for members of congress). And they would get something worth more then money or financial resources; glory, mass affection and social power to a degree(as citizens would be keen to take the advice of such highly skilled people).

Sometimes I think the Soviet Union, China, Cuba and other such nations where made "Communist" to scare us away from some of the basic ideals. We have to remember Carl Marx wrote of two different types of Communism. The first Marxism, something he wrote while suffering great physical pain. The second, isn't even named. But it is more of a "right to access of work" type communism.

Socialism is dangerous because it can create perpetual classes. It is like an updated form of feudalism. We have to acknowledge that our technological capabilities have outgrown our ability to live. Since the 1970's each technological advance put more people out of work then job's it created. At first is was just a sliver but now it is a canyon that is only getting wider by the month.

We live in a world that will ever increasingly require fewer and fewer people to work. This is unsustainable and at this juncture we are already beyond the short term effects of this. Heck we are probably at the tail end of the middle term effect stage.




posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 02:27 AM
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I deserve 5 times more than that. I'm the classic "Jack of all Trades, master of none". However, if i had that kind of money, i would want to do something that would give back, to my community; and, something that would make a difference on our planet. I wouldn't want a million dollars just so i could live large. I would plant it back into the lives of others. I'm doing that now via my community center...but my funds are limited. Nevertheless, i keep doing what i'm doing, knowing that oneday, everything that i'm doing, will be well worth the time, money, and energy spent. It's better than doing nothing! Money aint everything...it's just a tiny little seed that needs to be planted, in order to receive a harvest.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 02:32 AM
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i hear ya, sounds like a headache and a lot of work to have a ton of money.


who do ya trust? lol!!


i'd rather be famous.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by fooks
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i hear ya, sounds like a headache and a lot of work to have a ton of money.


who do ya trust? lol!!


i'd rather be famous.


It is a lot of work to make a ton of money; someone doesn’t just show up with a check. But the rewards are worth the effort. Many people don’t want to put forth the effort it takes to make a lot of money. It’s much easier to sit on their butt and complain about others who are. There is only a headache in creating wealth not maintaining it.

I would much rather have a ton of money than be famous. I can have a ton of money and not show it while living a normal lifestyle. If you’re famous your life will be very public and you’ll be a target for others. Then people would complain how it’s not fair that you’re famous.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by LeoVirgo
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I understand that our distribution of money doesnt work and is unfair.



So what about the distribution of genes, talents and smarts??? Is that unfair as well??
So it’s unfair that instead of working for $8.00 hr I decided to create my own company and create something for myself??

Should students who have worked hard to earn a 4.0 GPA give some of their GPA to students with a lower GPA?? Is it unfair that I have worked really hard to earn a 4.0 GPA and someone else has a 2.0 GPA??



posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 12:38 PM
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Last I checked, we are all human. We all would love to have a easy life. We cant all be heart surgeons.

The world is full of people working their butts off to give the world all the materials items and luxuries that everyone loves and they can barely pay utilities.

Sure, if someone is going to go forward and work on mastering a skill, they do deserve a kickback for that will and drive. But no one that works deserves to suffer.

Im not saying everyone deserves a mansion and 20 cars. Im saying if one works, they deserve stability.



posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by byteshertz

There are people out there working their guts out just to be able to eat this week, do you really think you work harder than everyone else in this world, therefore you deserve a decent slice of the pie.


It is about working "smarter" not harder. The amount of wealth a person earns has nothing to do with how hard they work, it is all about how "smart" they work.

Business is a game, if you want to acquire wealth you need to play. Personally, I don't have a fetish for wealth. I work a few hours a week to earn enough to get by, and in my off time I have been setting up an urban farm.

Once I have all my necessities taken care of, I might try to play the wealth game. I am a lot smarter than many of the wealthy people I have met, so I think it is doable. And I deserve to make more than $200k a year because I would actually spend it at local businesses. Of course, the poor people I would be giving my money to are going to flock over to the Wal*Mart and piss it away on a big flat screen tv, so in the end I won't have helped anybody.



posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by LeoVirgo
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Last I checked, we are all human. We all would love to have a easy life. We cant all be heart surgeons.

The world is full of people working their butts off to give the world all the materials items and luxuries that everyone loves and they can barely pay utilities.

Sure, if someone is going to go forward and work on mastering a skill, they do deserve a kickback for that will and drive. But no one that works deserves to suffer.

Im not saying everyone deserves a mansion and 20 cars. Im saying if one works, they deserve stability.



Get a higher paying job. NO one owes you or anyone else anything. If you're so unhappy about your situation, change it!!

I don’t pay my employees based on the lifestyle they want to live. Their compensation is determined by many factors. If you don’t want to be a low income earner, don’t work low income jobs. You are responsible for where you are today.

No matter the situation, people with heart, smarts and determination will always find a way to succeed. Have you ever heard the saying “The cream of the crop rises to the top?” It’s very true!!



posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 07:33 PM
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Dog,

I read most of your posts and I tentatively have respect to you, and your ideas.

I do think that since we bought into capitalism (because it mostly works) it's moot to decry the general principle.

On the other hand, I'm personally into Scandinavian model where taxes are high, medical care is free and people are exceedingly happy. Well, it's hard to afford the second car, but outside of that... Your babysitter is taken care of, and if your wife chooses to donate her time to babysit somebody else's kid, she's compensated handsomely.

You see, quite a few things are worked out. We don't have to reinvent the wheel.



posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 07:50 PM
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People should not be able to make over a certain amount. Something like 2 mill. This way nothinbg gets too big and you avoid monopolies. Also, we need to stop allowing corporations to be considered a "person.

Minimum wage should be the amount you are required to make to live. $8/hr does not allow an individual to live with safe conditions.

You can still do a lot of stuff and impress your neighbors with 2mill



posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by Salamandy
People should not be able to make over a certain amount. Something like 2 mill. This way nothinbg gets too big and you avoid monopolies.


Socialist as I am, I disagree. Some people are bright and industrious and smart and what not, yes we can have taxes and all, but -- putting a cap on income is 100% stupid. Peace.



posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by Salamandy
People should not be able to make over a certain amount. Something like 2 mill. This way nothinbg gets too big and you avoid monopolies.


Socialist as I am, I disagree. Some people are bright and industrious and smart and what not, yes we can have taxes and all, but -- putting a cap on income is 100% stupid. Peace.


I think it would still rovide plenty of innitiative for entrepreneurs while allowing others to compete.
The bright ones can buy a lot of happiness with 2 million dollars. If youre not satisfied at 2 mill, youre a real shadeball



posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by topdog30

Originally posted by LeoVirgo
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Last I checked, we are all human. We all would love to have a easy life. We cant all be heart surgeons.

The world is full of people working their butts off to give the world all the materials items and luxuries that everyone loves and they can barely pay utilities.

Sure, if someone is going to go forward and work on mastering a skill, they do deserve a kickback for that will and drive. But no one that works deserves to suffer.

Im not saying everyone deserves a mansion and 20 cars. Im saying if one works, they deserve stability.



Get a higher paying job. NO one owes you or anyone else anything. If you're so unhappy about your situation, change it!!

I don’t pay my employees based on the lifestyle they want to live. Their compensation is determined by many factors. If you don’t want to be a low income earner, don’t work low income jobs. You are responsible for where you are today.

No matter the situation, people with heart, smarts and determination will always find a way to succeed. Have you ever heard the saying “The cream of the crop rises to the top?” It’s very true!!


This is not about me. Im speaking for many people that work their butts off and can barely get by. People can not get by on 10 bucks an hour these days. Its very sad to see good hearted and honest people trying to get by and they cant do anything they enjoy.

As a species, we can do better. As a people, we can make a better system. If people are willing to help pull their weight and share, they should not have to struggle so much.

And yes, I believe that there are things everyone deserves. Why? Because as a people, we can make it happen.

You need people to pull all of those vegetables you eat. You need people to pick the fruits, but the meat. You need people to take care of your trash. You need people to work the water and sewers. The list of the people you need to help make YOUR WORLD and life what it is...is endless really. Go through your whole house, all your material goods and know that it all likely came through the hands of people that work all week and still struggle.

Again, this is not about who is smarter and who has a brighter idea. Its about acknowledging that most of the people that DO make this world go around, suffer and make many sacrifices.

I know several personal stories of peoples lives that were hit by surprises. It can happen to anyone. The rug can be ripped out from under you.

To a certain degree, the things that we all need in life could be accounted for through work for trade. You put in your time of helping pull the weight...you in return, have stability in life.



posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 11:05 PM
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I am 32 and a little late for the game.

New job out of college and a new plan.

I will make it................I do not wish to blame anybody for my ill actions of the past.....I must move on and prevail in this jungle.....

With the heat index of 115, I believe I earn every penny


Thanks

ETA: No where near 200 k.
edit on 15-7-2011 by liejunkie01 because: ETA



posted on Jul, 16 2011 @ 05:05 PM
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the question shouldn't be if those people deserve their $250,000, but rather, do all those working 40+ and hour deserve to earn enough that they can have a roof over their head, adequate food, adequate medical care, the necessities of life??
if you say no, then I got to ask you....
which do you prefer,
the gov't stepping in and providing the necessities that the business sector isn't providing??
or, that we just let these people die off, and well, you can pick your own produce from the fields and slaughter your own chickens, build your own plane to fly around in, bag your own groceries or cook your own food??



posted on Jul, 17 2011 @ 06:16 PM
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no.

I don't deserve $200,000/y for doing nothing. But then again no one deserves anything.

But You don't have to deserve anything. You can get an multi-million dollar inheritance for nothing. So its pretty meaningless.






posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 09:45 PM
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Well put


2nd line



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
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no.

I don't deserve $200,000/y for doing nothing. But then again no one deserves anything.

But You don't have to deserve anything. You can get an multi-million dollar inheritance for nothing. So its pretty meaningless.


It's not really about "deserving", it's about the sense of entitlement.

I agree nobody deserves anything.



posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 03:03 PM
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You think you deserve to earn more than $200k a year?


I think I (and all other human beings) deserve to live in a world where money doesn't exist.



posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 03:19 PM
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There are many people who are born with mental and physical disabilities and cannot work. I am a caregiver for disabled adults and I know firsthand what they recieve from the government. Most of them only get about $600 a month and maybe $150 in food stamps and free healthcare. These people are not lazy or stupid and they deserve better. Do you think because a person was born with God-given talent, good looks, musical ability, athletic ability or higher intelligence that they deserve millions of dollars? One day God will judge the people who have everything while some have nothing.





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