reply to post by SearchLightsInc
I'd just like to say thank you for taking the time to give an indepth reply to my post and try and show me the POV from the side of the better off.
I'm not better off. I find myself wondering how I'm going to pay my own bills past February. The job I have now doesn't have the hours - and the
reserves is a nice supplement for two days of meet&greet paperwork, but it just barely covers my bills before figuring in food and practical expenses.
I'm hoping I can get on at one of the factories around here - and I've been submitting applications and calling, but I think they are waiting to
hire until after the first of the year when they get their orders in.
I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth. My father never made over 100K per year - probably never made over 60K. His experience and knowledge
on aluminum die-casting was typically worth quite a bit more than what he was getting paid. Not to mention his management skills turned that factory
into the best out of the corporation (got them ISO 9000 certified and cleared the random audits with flying colors while the main branch barely
scraped by). He was easily worth 200K to the company.
The factory burned back in '09, was hot enough to warp some gas-fittings they were making (still have some pictures of it). After giving the
impression that the plan was to rebuild the factory and even take the opportunity to expand it (expanding while operations are ongoing is,
interestingly enough, more expensive than when the whole works is shut down); the owners decided to close that plant and relocate operations back to
where the main branches were located (Fenton). This, honestly, makes no sense as there's no room to expand, no local infrastructure to exploit (the
plant here sat right near some railway stations and a municipal airport), and... well - we'll put that old gripe to rest, as it's in the past.
Anyway - they were pretty much counting on him moving in to take over management of the new factory. They caught on pretty quick that they were
turning it into a circus (no die-change facilities being built into a new factory, for example), and that it wasn't going to go well for them.
Supposedly, my dad and uncle were getting him set up to go into consulting, as opposed to management. He died a month before he was to retire.
The whole point of this? Employers are people. Sometimes they are smart enough to realize when the people working for them are worth more than they
are being paid. Sometimes they aren't.
Firstly, i cant say i agree with anything you said - Infact i was slightly insulted when you started talking about how the employee thinks they
have "Entitlement" to a decent wage. From that standpoint, you obviously think the Employer as an "entitlement" to exploit the fact that everyone
needs money to live.
The employer doesn't need to work with anyone. Someone with capital to invest in a business can merely invest in stocks, bonds, or live off of the
interest accruing in an account. Someone with a private practice doesn't have to take the risk of expanding and bringing on additional workers.
What the employer is entitled to is the right to decide who they want to work for them and how much to pay that person for the job. If they want to
give you a hundred dollars an hour to sweep the floor, and they can afford that from a business standpoint, then the more power to them.
The employer owns or is given the authority to employ someone by the business. The employee agrees to exchange their time and effort for monetary
compensation at an agreed-upon rate. You are entitled the right to reject the offer and search elsewhere, just as the employer is.
By the sounds of if, you believe that society NEEDS a class of people that consistently struggle through life so that you and your buddies can
live comfortably. Conservatism comes to mind.
Society needs people of all skills and abilities to contribute in order to function. That is not the same as saying all skills and abilities are
worth the same to society. It will sound cold - but someone with an IQ of 90 who has a very narrow range of functionality that falls within the "can
be done by anyone" category is simply not worth the same as someone who doesn't just excel at menial tasks and actively learns about the system and
is willing to propose and try changes to make things more efficient. And even that variety of person is less valuable than someone with a vision for
a product or service (or system of products and services) and the will/capability to make that happen.
Read up on Amazon.com and its beginnings. Started as a few teenagers with an idea and going around to ask people for some help funding it (these
would be called "investors" - those evil people who make money by buying and selling holdings).
And i appreciate you having a crack at my 40hrs a week question, but i think you answered it wrong. you spoke of the employer doubling the
amount of workers he had. I was thinking more along the lines of the employer employing the amount of people they needed and paying them a proper wage
- Enough to cover bills with a tidy amount of expendible income.
This is the belief that you are entitled to a standard of living. It is simply not a functional idea.
Let's break it down to Communism's roots to demonstrate.
We have a small community - you have a carpenter, a farmer, a blacksmith, baker, and hunter. It should be fairly obvious to see how these people work
to support each other. Their contributions to this small society are noticeable by all in this very small community. The farmer gives his food to
the others because he clearly sees and understands how their services are required for him to maintain the standard of living he enjoys, today.
An outsider from another town comes wandering down the road and stops by. Usually, such people were the connections these small towns had to the
outside world - and would be provided a place to sleep and a meal both out of hospitality and as a payment for news of the world. It was the first
iteration of the "information economy" - if you will.
However, let's say other people decide to do this. Before long, the road turns into a 'highway' of travelers going through this town - perhaps on
their way to larger towns, or just because they've heard the locals bake good pies.
With so many people regularly passing through town - the value of information suddenly drops. Anyone and everyone is sharing stories of the outside,
and there are simply too many people to just give them all beds and food. The service provided is no longer of such a value that it is considered
worth a provision of food and quarters for the night. Travelers will then have to provide something else of value and worth - a service (such as a
healer or doctor), monetary compensation (a bartering standard), or some unique goods to barter (such as foods, clothing, etc).
The exchange of information is necessary in a functional society. Just like it is necessary for someone to clear your table after you are done eating
at a restaurant (one of the jobs I do). However - articulated as my intellect is, smart as I am, and capable as I am - the job I am doing can be
done, almost literally, by a trained monkey. I am simply less likely to freak out and throw feces at the customers (waitresses, on the other hand....
... sorry - gotta pick on the waitresses - like the Navy having to pick on the (Ch)Air Force).
Now - let's not get too up in arms about this. Compare what I can afford working that job, today, versus what I could afford working that job 30
years ago. Granted - minimum wage has gone up, but so has cost of living (the two are related, and the derka-der of a government we have doesn't
seem to realize this). In either case - I can afford a cell phone. My friends have been working similar wages for a lot longer than I have - and
they can afford computers, a WoW subscription (no, I don't participate - I already lose enough of my soul each day to the computer and internet), and
a rather nice apartment.
You would have been living in far worse tenant housing or with family working the same job 30 years ago, and be unable to afford college tuition fees.
Cell phones didn't really exist - but computers were pretty much non-existent in the average house-hold. The laptop I'm using surpasses artistic
representations of technology in this time period - and broadband would simply blow the mind of anyone in the 80s - back when ten-megabyte hard drives
were the size of a filing cabinet... a flash-drive with a chip the size of your thumb-nail holding 16 gigs? I remember my dad talking about when he
first saw a hundred-megabyte hard drive and didn't understand how anyone could possibly use that much hard drive space.
A microwave costs anywhere from $30 to $2000 - depending upon whether you want one that can open up portals to other dimensions, or not (hell, I
don't know what a $2K microwave actually does that's worth that much). You can get 32" HD televisions for under $400 that would have cost about
$700 three years ago (I know - I looked, and the models available today for