posted on Nov, 10 2010 @ 06:00 PM
Hi everybody, I'm new here. I have a burning question for you all but I can't ask it yet - I have to interact 19 more times before I can consider
myself through the gauntlet of the Ascension Ritual. st/8') .. What an interesting thread! I am very vehemently opinionated on the topic and I
shall opine presently. Before I begin - some source material:
thewave :: I don't even come close to making 200k a year but I think I deserve every penny that I make in income whether its from my jobs,
investments, inheritance, etc.
rev :: my wife has a house, both kids (without pressure) have achieved university degrees, seen more of the world (than the 20% of the US citizens)
and I too have my own house.....and car.. In short I gave rather than took which is what most younger people want. Everything for nothing..... I
believe that I deserve a good/high salary when I work because not only has it taken me 13 years to acquire my skill-set, I also have a proven track
record that shows that when it comes to ability I'm leaps and bounds above many others in my industry, especially here in London where mediocrity and
apathy is the norm. I don't care about your pyramids, I don't care that people are poor while others are rich, etc. And for the record, a lot of the
people I know and/or grew up with (in a really poor part of Scotland) who have nothing really are that way because they're stupid and/or lazy. I'm
so thankful I managed to get out of that dead end way of life...turned out that the only thing that was stopping me from getting out was having the
courage to take a few risks and not being frightened to do all the crap jobs that people employ immigrants and students to do nowadays. ... I do
think it should continue because it drives people like myself to work harder and strive higher and if you're not prepared to do that, you don't
deserve a share of the wealth.
astrogolf :: Spoken like a guy who makes less than 200K per year. You have no idea regarding my skill level, the value I provide, or how much I make
for my clients. Nor do you have a clue as to the level of skill, experience or insight I bring to the table, and my personal investment in developing
those attributes. The fact is, I and others like me are worth what we make on the free market. That's how life works. Your problem is envy, jealousy,
and lack of ability. If you've made bad choices in life, are lazy, or lack talent it will be reflected in your paycheck. Many of us struggled for
years before finding a high level of success. Here's a tip. If you sit around and complain, it's a guarantee that you won't get there. I once knew
a guy who hated backgammon, but it turned out he only hated it because he lost all the time. Here's a clue. If I didn't make it, it still wouldn't
wind up in your pocket.
peck420 :: While you are here trying to fight the rules of the game, I am fighting in the game, and winning.
keeper :: make more than 200K and year and I DO deserve every penny that I make. .. I built a company, which employs hundreds of people at a GOOD
wage which provides GREAT benefits. Because I do this, my company has been succesfull, by providing a quality product and great customer service. So
yes, I do deserve my 200K+ salary because I've earned it, I've worked for it. I do give generously to our community and various charity as well as
human rights organizations because we really don't NEED all that income. But do I deserve it? Hell yes. ~Keeper
Wow! Everyone, give yourselves a hand. I couldn't have asked for a better agar slide of the nature of the problem. So here goes.
@thewave: Let's start with inheritance as a concept. Please fairly answer the question posited above: If you were playing Monopoly, and the guy who
won the last game got 10x the money you did because he'd won the last game.. would you still play? What if the numbers crunched out too few houses
and hotels to make winning possible? Would you accept a guaranteed failure just because prior events had slotted you with one? Investment is a shade
of the same color - abstraction of the concept of 'goods' and 'services' to the point of being a lottery... Anyone who purports skill over chance
in investing is lying, either to you, or to themselves. Don't feel bad, because your corporate culture handed you that fishhook, and you're not to
be blamed for swallowing it.
@Rev: In your amalgamated quotations above, you started by defining yourself and your family in two coins: possessions, and time lost to the
acquisition of those possessions. Neither of these lists supports your argument; rather it supports your personal reasoning for making this choice.
Your point ultimately seems to be that you deserve a whole lot of money because you work a whole lot of hard. I find it hard to believe you've never
met someone who was working very hard at something and not making commensurate money - except those who are 'stupid' and 'lazy.' You're putting
a lot of people in the categories of 'stupid' and 'lazy' - including myself, as a skilled electronic musician who's been trying hard to get his
music noticed for a very long time - and I can guarantee you those descriptive words are a poor fit. And I could argue the case for hundreds of
artists, composers, designers, architects, scientists - ESPECIALLY scientists! - who you in formation of your worldview skipped over, or forgot
@Astrogolf: I would love to know what you do for a living, and I would love to know what sort of attire you wear to that profession. Moreso, I'd
like you to account for every gallon of gasoline you've burned going to and from that profession, and then I'd like you to consider that my portion
of gas-purchasing, my portion of as-yet-unstained breathing air, you likely took with your default excess. See, I have never driven a car. I put
every mile of life from 16yoa to my current 28yoa on my knees and ankles alone. And I did it to - here's a shocker! - help OTHERS!! Not myself. So
here's a clue: If you didn't fill it with carcinogens and unpotable chemicals, so as to increase the velocity and *comfort* at which you can arrive
at your special and highly-deserved upper-echelon elite-income head-of-company position, people like myself would've had the luxury to breathe it.
But you didn't walk to work all those days, did you?
Here's the thing: A kingdom is a kingdom - working definition: a group of people galvanized to the control of one individual, whose say is final
and who runs the kingdom as he/she/it sees fit. In capitalist society, a person can become a kingdom, but when they do, whether or not they are aware
of it, they take on the responsibilities of one: in that your people in the kingdom, and all the neighbors outside the kingdom, are to some extent AT
YOUR MERCY and DEPEND ON YOUR HUMANIST, MORALISTIC fairness. If you view the world as a fight, as so many of you have said, of everyone against
everyone, and all that matters to you is the bottom line, the tangible dollar, and that long laundry list of "house, two cars, three degrees, four
zeros on my check and five golden rings" -- then those within and without your Kingdom will be HURT by this unfairness, whether you see it as "the
way the world works" or not. The ungodly rich (and I do consider 200k/us$ to be ungodly) have historically done a great deal of harm to our world,
and while I won't waste all day citing wikipedia, the cites are there to see - and short of those unfortunate never-to-be-lauded-in-their-own-time
scientists, Gauss, Tesla, and so on, the ungodly rich have done us all VERY LITTLE GOOD. One can call my thoughts "communist" if they want to, but
I do not ascribe. I merely know firsthand, having been born into extreme poverty and watched it sicken and kill member after member of my family,
that the cold and callous nature of the ungodly rich is one of the driving forces for ALL PLANETARY UNHAPPINESS, and one of the most admirable Poison
Pill campaigns ever is that of those -0.01% who manage to convince the other 99.9999..% of the world that they beat everybody fairly.
Please respond if you will. Sorry for typos, keyboard is dying. Don't have money to replace it, before you ask. (Not stupid, or lazy, though.)
Favorite thing seen in print all day : "*because we really don't NEED all that income.*"