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Originally posted by jritzmann
I'm just wondering how many of you have read Jacques Vallee's new book co-authored with Chris Aubeck called "Wonders in the Sky". It's a pretty amazing piece of work, detailing 500 aerial phenomena events before in the industrial revolution. It puts a serious counterpoint to anyone thinking UFOs started with the 1940's - and shows that these objects have been seen for a lot longer than we'd think - and I don't refer to "might have been" cases or misinterpretations. These are well qualified and well documented events throughout history and are brought together under a strict methodology of inclusion in the book.
Originally posted by jritzmann
Jeremy and I interviewed Dr. Vallee this past weekend on Paratopia, and it'll air this Friday, November 12th. He is as far as I'm concerned, one of the very few people to truly push the boundaries on this subject.
Originally posted by Kandinsky
[Like anyone else, I've got mixed feelings about some of Vallee's work. Nevertheless, the guy has an unerring knack for making us think about things in different ways.
Originally posted by Blue Shift
It's a bit frustrating, I suppose, because while he offers alternate hypotheses, it's not quite clear exactly how one would go about actualizing or testing them. I know he's a big believer in using the available data and analyzing that for possible clues and patterns, but it doesn't do a lot to bring any answers forward.
Originally posted by jritzmann
That's because you're looking for an answer. Stop doing that - we don't know enough yet in the way of this complex phenomenon to hunt answers. We don't even know all the questions yet.
Originally posted by Blue Shift
Originally posted by jritzmann
That's because you're looking for an answer. Stop doing that - we don't know enough yet in the way of this complex phenomenon to hunt answers. We don't even know all the questions yet.
Come on, not even a little?
Originally posted by jritzmann
You realize personally that items such as the ETH often applied to this subject - don't fit. When you actually recognize this, it's revolutionary to you, and then you see this bigger picture.
In the end, this is all more complex than ET for many reasons. This is inextricably linked to us. And, one cannot remove the human element from the equation - we are perceiving it - yet it eludes.
You read this book and see that UFOlogy is still struggling with the same issues.
Originally posted by FireMoon
Western philosophy is traditionally concerned with contrasting one grid with another grid, and amending grids in hopes of finding a perfect one that will account for all reality and will, hence, (say unenlightened westerners) be True. This is illusory; it is what we Erisians call the Aneristic Illusion. Some grids can be more useful than others, some more beautiful than others, some more pleasant than others, etc., but none can be more True than any other.
Originally posted by Blue Shift
Well, after more than a half century, it certainly hasn't gotten very far with the whole aliens from space notion. And the glimmerings around the outside edges of the field associated with such things as remote viewing, extratemporal states during abductions, descriptions of craft that are "alive" and linked with a pilot's consciousness to travel, time shifts, and so on, seem like much more fertile ground for exploration than Little Green Men.
Originally posted by The GUT
So, after my initial reply here, I went to paratopia & I'm 25 mins in to 87 Jeff & Jer vs ETH. I'm liking it.
Originally posted by Blue Shift
Originally posted by FireMoon
Western philosophy is traditionally concerned with contrasting one grid with another grid, and amending grids in hopes of finding a perfect one that will account for all reality and will, hence, (say unenlightened westerners) be True. This is illusory; it is what we Erisians call the Aneristic Illusion. Some grids can be more useful than others, some more beautiful than others, some more pleasant than others, etc., but none can be more True than any other.
Well, if that's the case, then, my Western desire to push toward actualizing some of the concepts tossed around in the UFO fringes is also True. Different, but True. I suppose us Westerners could sit back and admire the natural balance of the universe and do nothing, but we can also push things to unbalance, which is also completely natural, and see what happens. Since neither is "wrong" or "right."