Ted Rall Calls for Armed Socialist Revolution

Who says it's the right that wants an armed revolution?

Moonbattery reports:

The cockroaches are crawling out of the cracks, angrily flicking their antennae to and fro right out in the light. Enraged at the results of the 2010 election, they’re no longer willing to wait quietly through the Gramscian/Fabian process of incremental totalitarianism. MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell freely admits he’s a socialist. Tim Wise openly boasts of the progressive plan to obliterate America through demographics. Now Ted Rall — a fixture in the mainstream media establishment — noisily calls for an armed socialist revolution in his aptly named The Anti-American Manifesto. Excerpt via Verum Serum:

We are here because the U.S. is going to end soon. There’s going to be an intense, violent, probably haphazard struggle for control. It’s going to come down to us versus them. The question is: What are you going to do about it? …

Christian fundamentalists, the millennial end-of-the-worlders obsessed with the Left Behind series about the End Times, neo-Nazi racists, rural black-helicopter Michigan Militia types cut from the same inbred cloth as Timothy McVeigh, allied with “mainstream” gun nuts and right-wing Republicans, have been planning, preparing, and praying for the destruction of the “Godless,” “secular” United States for decades. In the past, they formed groups like the John Birch Society and the Aryan Nations. Now the hard Right has a postmodern, decentralized non-organization organization called the Tea Party. …

A war is coming. At stake: our lives, the planet, freedom, living. The government, the corporations, and the extreme right are prepared to coalesce into an Axis of Evil. Are you going to fight back? Will you do whatever it takes, including taking up arms?…

I want you to see that revolt is a good idea, and that it has never been more necessary.

Good thing most liberals are afraid of guns.

Unsurprisingly, MSNBC is helping him promote his malignant manifesto:
www.msnbc.msn.com...

The reason Comrade Obama et al. are deliberately destroying our economy with obviously unsustainable spending à la Cloward-Piven is to set the stage for rhetoric like Rall's. After the inevitable economic collapse will come thugs of the SEIU/ACORN stripe to officially snuff out America and replace it with a multi-culti update of the Soviet Union.

It's beginning to look like moonbats and Americans cannot occupy the same territory indefinitely.

reply to post by mnemeth1


I'll let them fire the first shot.

The second they do all of their credibility will fly out the window.

Just don't come to my neighborhood with that BS. Unlike his anti-gun
constituency, I know how to use my weapons.


What he doesn't get is that while many of us pondered the idea of revolution, we gave it up for the principle of RESTORATION. Now the talk of violent revolution is coming from them. Anyone who is right wing, a constitutionalist, votes republican, or owns a gun is his idea of a target.. Just like these progressives and socialists to threaten violence when their ideas are rejected.

Protect yourselves folks. BUT DO NOT INITIATE VIOLENCE. Or you're no better than them.

I watched the MSNBC video you provided and I read everything on the link you provided as well, there was no talk of any war. What he was expressing was a view that the American Left should do what it use to do and rise up against the cabal that runs this country. He expressed support for the form of semi-violent protests that occur in France and Greece with halting of all public transportation, Molotov cocktails, etc… in order for the American workers to succeed they must show the elite that they will not submit passively to their will.

Everything he said I 100% agree with but I didn’t see on word about “Socialism” not one. The views he was expressing was solidarity, populism, and Anti-elitism. All of those sentiments I agree with and am a proponent of. You can look back to as recent as the presidential aspiration of the People’s Party and Democrat William Jennings Bryan before the Progressives destroyed the Populist movement because they deeply despised it. Populism was the enemy of Progressivism which wanted to pervert, corrupt, and destroy America.

Is challenging the cabal such a bad thing? Wanting to reclaim our nation for all people and not just the top 1% is a bad thing? IMO we need to reclaim our nation and start taking on the elitist pigs which run our nation with their boot on the neck of worker.

You shall not press down upon the brow of labor this crown of thorns you shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of gold."

~ William Jennings Bryan

That would be hilarious!

We know how to shoot! They would lose badly.

It does seem a bit uncanny. The way I see it, there's going to be a struggle between individualism/responsibility/dignity and collectivism/tyranny.

The collectivists are constantly painting individualists and freedom-lovers as terrorists, even though there have been almost no actual acts of violence from the individualists. The violence has always come from the collectivists, the mass-minded thugs that you mention. And yet all the "fear" is directed at the individualists.

To me it makes perfect sense. This rhetoric is the sort of stuff that gets crowds swept away. If you want your mass-minded group of collectivists to get violent, keep feeding them propaganda to make them fear your enemy.

This is why the media constantly portrays Tea Partiers and other groups of organized individualists as dangerous, when all the actual evidence and actual history of violent acts is perpetrated by collectivists, a fact the media conveniently ignores. This doublethink and ignoring of actual facts has even affected many ATS members.

S is going to HTF pretty soon. Time to just sit and wait and see what happens.

reply to post by Misoir


Wow.

So violence is acceptable to you?


But TP people who show up to pray at the national mall are just theocratic terrorists?


Those kinds of protests didn't solve anything. Those people in France are rioting over a 2 year extension on the age of retirement. Greece's population was being coddled by government until it went broke and now that they are forced to cut back their socialist BS it is ok to riot for more of it? Really?

I don't think so.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Misoir

 

Wow.

So violence is acceptable to you?

Not violence against people.

But TP people who show up to pray at the national mall are just theocratic terrorists?

I'm not talking about them, it's a free country they can do whatever they want. They aren't terrorists they're just annoying.

Those kinds of protests didn't solve anything. Those people in France are rioting over a 2 year extension on the age of retirement. Greece's population was being coddled by government until it went broke and now that they are forced to cut back their socialist BS it is ok to riot for more of it? Really?

I don't think so.

It's not what they are rioting for that I support, I simply like the idea that they are willing to rise up when faced with adversity.

I don't want a Socialist nanny state, I simply want a government that will not permit the elite to hold power over the workers. That is Liberty, is it not?

Plus I do believe we have the Right to revolution or am I mistaken?

reply to post by Misoir


Perhaps I need to highlight it for you.

A war is coming. At stake: our lives, the planet, freedom, living. The government, the corporations, and the extreme right are prepared to coalesce into an Axis of Evil. Are you going to fight back? Will you do whatever it takes, including taking up arms?…

reply to post by Misoir


Violence against what then? Private property? Who give anyone the right to damage private property? Or attack the police?

We have the right to defend ourselves from tyranny, not to scare the hell out of people into submitting to one political ideology.

Which is what that article was advocating.


You talk about the "Workers". You focus on "Workers" and don't even care about those who write the damned checks. It doesn't matter to you until they stop writing those checks. And they will.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by mnemeth1

 

I'll let them fire the first shot.

The second they do all of their credibility will fly out the window.

Just don't come to my neighborhood with that BS. Unlike his anti-gun
constituency, I know how to use my weapons.


What he doesn't get is that while many of us pondered the idea of revolution, we gave it up for the principle of RESTORATION. Now the talk of violent revolution is coming from them. Anyone who is right wing, a constitutionalist, votes republican, or owns a gun is his idea of a target.. Just like these progressives and socialists to threaten violence when their ideas are rejected.

Protect yourselves folks. BUT DO NOT INITIATE VIOLENCE. Or you're no better than them.

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Agreed! They couldn't provoke the people into a violent confrontation with their false left/right racist every one but them is a "right wing aryan nazi skinhead" divide and conquer BS rhetoric. So they are going to start it themselves. They should be arrested as domestic terrorist trying to incite violence and overthrow of the government. I am sure all the marxist/socialist trolls will be all over this thread trying to get some mileage out of the left vs right paradigm.

reply to post by mnemeth1


It sounds to me like he is suggesting defense against tyrannical authority. I may not agree with what he would want to replace this current system with but I do agree with his issue of why we should do it.

Whenever a government becomes destructive it is the right, no the obligation, of the people to rebel against it. Our current state is breaking the Social Contract (the right to Life, Liberty, and Estate) and so that gives us permission and an obligation to rise up and revolt. Don't agree with me? Look up the Two Treatises of Government.

I personally don't care what the religious right are doing I care what the government aligned with big banks and big business are doing, that is my right and if their actions are detrimental to our rights we should rise up, violence is just the negative necessity.

I think they should go ahead with that idea.

It would give us "crazy stupid red-necked hicks" who "cling to our guns and bibles" to put those items to go use against those "baby-killing tree-hugging pot-heads".

They could sell tickets on pay-per-view!

LOL

Oddly enough that is exactly what Glenn Beck has been warning of. Hmmm? I've only watched him maybe a dozen times or so, but that has been what his message is about. Did not the Left and indeed most of ATS call him a, lets see now, what was that word? Liar; yeah that was it, a liar.

Interesting also they are using the old tactic of lying themselves by implying all Conservatives are KKK, Nazi's armed to the teeth and ready to take out the Minorities At what point do people admit the Far Left is comprised of people who's minds simply don't work properly? Being Far Left is in fact a mental disorder as is being on the Far Right.

We all need to separate ourselves from the extremists of both sides and society needs to start treating them as the dangerous people they really are. Whether Right or Left, they are dangerous to society and always have been. Whether a Saul Alinsky Groupie or a Card Carrying Member of the KKK / Nazi's / Aryan Nation, they are our biggest problem.

This battle between the radical Right and Left is leaving the vast majority of us who are sane and rational in a very bad position. One where the irrational minority is in control. The scariest part of the radical on both sides is they don't know they are irrational and likely mentally disturbed. They think they are normal which makes them even more dangerous to us.

Until we face the fact that the extremists on both sides are out of control and take control back from them, we will have no peace or future. History has shown us over and over again how dangerous these radical idea's really are.

We have become so blinded by our this is just another sport mentality, we have lost touch. We treat life like an NFL Game and don't give a damn if the Quarterback is Gang Banger from South Central with tattoo's on his arms that means he has commited murders or not; just so he wins. Everyone worries about the D or the R following a persons name so much that we forget to factor in that many of our leaders are in fact insane. Even the ones who share our party affiliations if we are so foolish as to have one.

reply to post by Blaine91555


Yes, even the left wing Daily Kos is talking about it:
nlean.dailykos.com...

Monday night, Glenn Beck warned his viewers that an "event" will soon take place, fundamentally changing the world in a violent way. His evidence for this pending disaster was Lawrence O'Donnell's recent admission that he is a "socialist."

Beck said that left-wing radicals would run rampant, fomenting violence in order for President Obama to step in and save the nation from chaos.

If it sounds like a conspiracy theory, that's because it is one. And for more than one hundred years, right-wingers have been deploying narratives of violent takeovers. Here's a sampling of the monkey-business Beck is up to:

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Misoir

 

Violence against what then? Private property? Who give anyone the right to damage private property? Or attack the police?

I wouldn't personally commit violence against people or property but sometimes violence is necessary to defend yourself against tyranny. The Founding Fathers did it for freedom and that is the only thing I would ever advocate doing it for.

We have the right to defend ourselves from tyranny, not to scare the hell out of people into submitting to one political ideology.

Which is what that article was advocating.

Not scaring fellow people but rather letting the elite know that we are willing to fight them. Which political ideology might that be? I wouldn't support anyone 'submitting' to anything but Liberty.

You talk about the "Workers". You focus on "Workers" and don't even care about those who write the damned checks. It doesn't matter to you until they stop writing those checks. And they will.

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What classification of worker are you thinking of here? I am including the small and medium business owners too, everyone except the upper 1% are the working people of this country. We are all workers and all businessmen. What differentiates 'us' from 'them' is that they have unjust power over all of us which has not been given to them by any Constitutional Authority. 'They' are forcing their will onto 'us' and that is not part of Liberty and not permitted in the Constitution.

The government and the elite are the same thing, the rotating door is alive and well in Washington. They work against us and we rebel against them. Simple as that.

Oh this is fun! blogs and supposition, oh my...

I get identified as a "leftie" because I think that social services are a good thing and I have absolutely no plans to shoot anyone, unless they take it upon themselves to come at me armed and aggressive.

I have "liberal" friends, and neither do they have any plans to attack anyone.

But it is fun to read this thread and see that my views have gotten me pigeonholed, apparently, as a skinhead, klansman, card carrying member of the Aryan nation. The fact that I think universal medical care is a good idea surely MUST mean I hate minorities and that I warmonger zealously.

Just about the most twisted and absolutely jaw droppingly inaccurate representation of a group of people that I have seen on ATS thus far. The next time that a conservative or TPM complains to me that they are being painted in an inaccurate manner, I am pointing them to this thread to demonstrate that this unfortunate tactic seems to be a two way street.

Oh, and for the record... I also own guns and am proficient in their use, as are almost all of my friends. This myth that only republicans can shoot is possibly the most troubling and unfortunate misinterpretation of fact of all - as it might lead some people to try and test the waters.

We all agree that governmental corruption is the problem (well most of us) - so why do we, time and time again, fall into this sectarian crap. Divide and conquer works... just look around you.

~Heff

reply to post by projectvxn


The Koss What a worthless, biased rag of a site

When will people realize that just being in a Party is insane and you are associating with people who don't have our best interests at heart. People are waking up and the Independents are becoming the real majority rather quickly.

I kind of like that Beck keeps getting proven right, even though I'm not a real fan. Even he is to radical for my taste. At least he has the sense to criticize both parties as so few others seem to do.

I go to the Koss now and then, along with MoveOn.org just to see how insane it is getting out there. Soros is a busy guy.

A socialist revolution would be a good thing. After we all stopped laughing at them, they could be dispatched once and for all, to the betterment of everyone on the planet.

If the socialists want a armed revolution, I wonder if they will expect to be provided a free gun an ammo by the government?

They will probably demand that the government confiscate some of my guns and give those guns to them.


"It's not fair that he has more guns than me!!!!" whine whine whine

reply to post by Hefficide


Most of us are rational and moderate. The problem with Partisans however is they willingly ignore the radicals among their own Party. Partisans just can't seem to see the giant logs in their own eyes.

This whole concept of Right and Left is insane. It's just a tool they use to divide us, when in fact most of us are not that far apart. Until people realize the whole Right and Left idea is a contrived plan to keep us divided to control us, we will never take back control of our lives.

We go from Bush to Clinton to Bush to Obama and what changes? Not much. It's all slight of hand and deception.