Republicans hate when the Govt spends money on our citizens, but....

...they love it when we spend it on war and killing people. More money is spent on death than on social programs. And then they always claim that they are righteous, loving people. I dont understand.

Standard Republican views:
Unemployment? No
Help for the homeless? Hell no
Public Schools? No
Public Health care? HELL **** NO!

Bases in Germany, Japan, Iraq, Korea, Phillipines, etc. HELL YES!
10 billion per year for the F35 joint strike fighter? HELL YES!
5 TRILLION (yes, TRILLION) for Middle East wars? HELL **** YES!

Please, any "fiscally responsible" conservative, please come in here, and tell me why you are opposed to social programs, but not intelligence and military budgets which dwarf the budgets of all social programs put together.

Also, can someone please explain to me how taking care of former military members (18% of our yearly spending goes to former military) is NOT socialism? The VA, and all its hospitals, are completely socialistic entities, in that all of us have to pay taxes to support former military people. Even if I dont agree with war, i have to pay current soldier salaries, and then take care of them for the rest of their lives. HOW IS THAT NOT THE SOCIALISM THAT EVERYONE LOVES TO HATE?

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You're talking about the progessive "neo" types. There is nothing "conservative" about them.

This has been beaten to death a thousand times this year alone. Thousands more in years past.

I apologize if this is your first foray into the realm and all of this is genuinely new to you.


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Ah yes, blaiming it all on the "NeoCons". If it were only a small faction, why does the whole party go along? Im not absolving Democrats either, because the military budget is approved by them too - but the arent the ones complaining.

Even Rand Paul disagrees with you: “Republicans traditionally say, oh, we’ll cut domestic spending, but we won’t touch the military,” Paul told Christine Amanpour on the ABC Sunday morning political show This Week. “The liberals — the ones who are good — will say, oh, we’ll cut the military, but we won’t cut domestic spending.” -Rand Paul

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You're talking about the progessive "neo" types. There is nothing "conservative" about them.

This has been beaten to death a thousand times this year alone. Thousands more in years past.

I apologize if this is your first foray into the realm and all of this is genuinely new to you.

 

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The neo-cons make up the majority in the Republican party. The only figment of a real conservative left in the Republican party looks like Ron Paul. And he's been ridiculed and shunned out by his own party countless times.

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Id also like to add, how can "NeoCons", which are supposedly a newer movement, be blamed for bases overseas we have had for over 60 years, be blamed for the defense budget for the past 60 years?

At what point do "Republicans" take blame and not just pass it on to some other entity?

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It's not a new movement. This nation building, war-mongering nonsense has been a part of both parties since Eisenhowers MIC speech.


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Let me make sure I understand your position:

- I don’t like they way those Republicans steal your money from your paycheck and use it to pay for wars.

-I do like the way those Democrats steal your money from your paycheck and use it to give to someone else.

How about this for a solution: Don’t steal my %&$# money and don’t use it to pay for any of this crap!

BTW, the Dems have had a super-majority for 2 years: We’re still in two wars. Gitmo is still open.

BTW, Dems have been in power for 4 years and never passed a bill to send to Bush to get us out of the wars.

The decision to go to Afghanistan and Iraq were bipartisan decisions. Hillary, among others, would like to pretend she didn’t vote to go to war. (Ron Paul, Rand’s dad, was one of the only ones to vote against it.)

Oh that little thing Obama said about bringing combat troops home… didn’t happen. They just changed the name of the mission, as the troops are still all there.

I hear your complaint about spending money on war and agree with it 100%. But to say, I would rather steal your money and spend it my way, the progressive way, is utter and sheer crap. Let me keep my money. Feel free to take your boot of my $%^#ing neck!

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Right, now youre getting it....

So why do (republican) people willingly support this, willingly pay money for this? But then if money is spent on a social program (which will generally help everyone in the country, including themselves) they start screaming and crying?

In your first post, you said it wasnt real republicans, it was the new NeoCons, a term I never heard before the 90s. And in your latest post, you claim its been going on for 60 years. So at what point do Republicans actually vote for what they believe in?

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I said in the original post, I am not absolving Dems of blame. And yet you write paragraphs about the left/right paradigm.

As afar as "stealing your money", there is a legitimate need for social programs, whether you believe it or not.

You say neither war nor social stuff is good. Fine, that is a true conservative viewpoint. The problem with that is, 90%+ of the Republicans dont feel that way. They want to cut social programs, but keep spending on the military, like Rand Paul above said.

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You said "neocon" I never said it. I only said "neos." As in "new" "next" "evolved."

The "neos" are the majority of American politics regardless of party affiliation. They are essentially eugenicist progressives.

There was a great thread up here recently detailing their history and their beliefs. If I can find it I'll post it.


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Originally posted by aching_knuckles
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Id also like to add, how can "NeoCons", which are supposedly a newer movement, be blamed for bases overseas we have had for over 60 years, be blamed for the defense budget for the past 60 years?

At what point do "Republicans" take blame and not just pass it on to some other entity?

Really now?

Our military budget and overseas presence has increased despite changes in political parties over 60 years.

How can you blame just one side?

I agree that it is a fallacy to cut the social safety net and leave the empire abroad untouched. It is ridiculous to think that it would be sustainable. I'm hoping with all the momentum Rand Paul and Ron Paul have gathered due to the Tea Party will result in that long standing policy being reversed.

Kill two birds with one stone: Send welfare recipients to fight in wars, then they get socialized medicine through the VA for life!


Or is that too simple.

(just playin' here. Let's make this a fun "what if" game before my blood pressure goes up!)

Yes OP...Yes, yes, yes! Nailed it.

Conservatives don't give handouts....except to weapon manufacturers and warmongers (a.k.a. the US military...the biggest social program on the planet).

How about this one:

If you want me to pay for your welfare baby, then let me have sex with you. Normally if I have to pay for a baby I'm never going to see, I at least get to have sex with someone.

or this one:

Fire all the people who work at the welfare office. Open up a website where people plead thier cases to the public and let the public vote who gets help and who should get off their asses and go to work. I bet we lose half of them right away.

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I know! Like look at that Conservative idiot… what's his name…Ron Paul. That guy is …

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Both sides are slaves to corporate campaign contributions and their agendas. Any insults found for one side can be reciprocated for the other. It's the left/right paradigm, meant to give the illusion of choice to the people. This is why the mass media covers those incendiary stories which inflame the left/right paradigm, instead of concentrating on pertinent issues. This corruption has spread throughout all of American society, and unless people realize that the side they are defending, while demonizing the other, is just as guilty, we will never move forward and fix this corporatism, which is essentially fascism at this point.

"Republicans hate when the Govt spends money on our citizens, but..."

Here is the problem, "when the Govt spends".... the government spends our money.

So it should be, "Republicans hate when we spend our money on our citizens..."

Conservatives like freedom. Freedom is being able to spend your money how you like to spend your money.

I would rather pay an army to defend this country and our freedom (not so much overseas please) than I would giving handouts to losers.

period. It's not the government's money to spend. If you want to spend your money on helping people, you don't need the government to do it for you. Just start handing it to people less fortunate. You are welcome to do that all day long and no one is stopping you. Get together with all the other regressives and create a fund to donate money into to pay medical insurance for people who don't have any. Guess what? No one will stop you!

What? Don't you like that idea?

The difference is when you make ME spend money on what I don't want to spend it on. Frankly, I don't want to spend it on war overseas unless I can see a true benefit to me which I don't see right now.

What I do see is a bunch of people who say "well if you're going to waste money that way then we should waste it this way too".

That is a great way to never get out of debt. "Sally ran up her credit card buying shoes, so I'm going to compete by running it up three times more than she did at the strip club."

"well Sally started the debt spending so I'm going to triple down on that!"

To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
-Thomas Jefferson

I think this quote sums things up rather nicely.

This left/right paradigm has very effectively divided this nation into factions. Each blindly believes they are right when each does the exact same thing for different reasons.

I actually enjoy helping others with my money and would be able to do more of that if I were allowed to keep more of it. However, there are men with guns who have decided my money is their money and they can do with it as they see fit. That is tyranny.

The founders were against a standing army and for a damn good reason - the current thirst for empire by those in control.

well now blaming the republicans for spending trillions on defense

the way i see it that other party who seems hell bent on spending the taxpayer dime on what?

social security
medicare
medicaid
government subsidies ie farming

all those programs those social programs far exceed what the defense budget is you are talking over 5 trillion on those programs alone and what you people fail to realize and will never admit that without a realtive peaceful environment there is nothing else there is no country there is no security so you people can buy all your chinese crap and like it or not this nation needs its military.

the majority of techonolgy and medical breathtroughs have all been due to that fabled "military industrial complex" shame you people aren't paying attention to current events with the rapid outsourcing of this country in cluding its military weapons systems.

i am sick of bs threads like this because thats what it is you people are just upset that everything in this country isn't free and take a good hard look at all those social programs you people just seem to love so much not one of them is solvent and they are all nothing but dependency programs that serve noone but keep people enslaved with a future no better than any other day of their past.

people who push social programs don't live on them and when they do you will wish to god you people would have had the insight to plan for your own future.