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Health law may be unrecognizable in a year

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posted on Nov, 8 2010 @ 03:52 PM
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BOSTON (Reuters) – Republicans in Congress may not be able to unravel healthcare reform over the next two years, as their leaders have promised, but they can make strategic cuts for now before using the issue as a powerful wedge in the 2012 presidential campaign.



At a panel discussion on Friday at the Harvard School of Public Health, arranged in collaboration with Reuters, health policy experts said the Obama administration's 2010 healthcare law could be nearly unrecognizable within a year.



"We will have seen the leading edge of dismantling this bill through the discretionary spending process," said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a former advisor to Republican John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign.



"It will slow down the implementation and put it on a timetable to be solved in the 2012 elections," said Holtz-Eakin, now president of the policy institute American Action Forum


I kind of gave up trying to understand the new healthcare stuff, and now it looks like its going to be changed all over again. Im not sure if I have the energy to go through this process again. Ill problably just take a break for awhile.

If I have the energy, it will be interesting to see how many changes are made in the near future.



posted on Nov, 8 2010 @ 04:05 PM
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Wouldn't it be easier to simply repeal this monstrosity, and implement any necessary reform directly?

Not that I didn't expect this. The Republicans are going to find their vote getting devoured by third party candidates if they intend to try and "fix" this mess. They are not doing the business sector any good, either - everything is already locked up tighter than a ticks anus due to uncertainty with taxes, healthcare, etc.

They are still playing the voting game and don't seem to be aware that the voters are not having fun anymore.



posted on Nov, 8 2010 @ 04:17 PM
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I don't recognize it now.
But it does help pave the way for what happens next:
Trending is consumer/patient driven health care.

SEN. BILL FRIST, R-Tenn

my vision for the future of health care. Briefly, it's a patient-centered, consumer-driven, provider-friendly health care system fueled by information, choice and control. It's patient-centered. That means the patient -- not the provider, not the drug company, not the insurer, and not the government -- is at the heart of American health care.
Growing up, when my dad was a family physician in Nashville, I would ride along with him to make house calls. It was so clear to me: Always, it was about the patient.
It wasn't about what the insurance companies would cover, or guarding against lawsuits.
It was about restoring the patient to health.
But we've lost that focus in recent decades, and it's time to restore it.
Second, it's consumer-driven. That means it's market-based. Right now, instead of letting people hire their own physicians and pay them, we have a system in which no one pays his or her own medical bills. Rather, there's a third-party payment system.
abcnews.go.com...



The latest trend in health care? Patients are managing their own care. New technologies make it possible. Legislative changes facilitate it. And financial pressures all but require it
www.ncpa.org...

Emerging Patient-Driven Health Care Models: An Examination of Health Social Networks, Consumer Personalized Medicine and Quantified Self-Tracking

The life sciences field is advancing and changing in nearly every dimension, both content-wise and structurally. Volumes of new content are coming forth in the form of key research findings, affordable new technologies and simultaneous holistic and reductionist expansions via systems biology approaches and new sub-field branching. Structurally, life sciences are changing in three important ways: the concept of life sciences, how science in general is conducted and the models by which health and health care are understood and realized.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

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posted on Nov, 8 2010 @ 04:39 PM
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nope, they said they would repeal it lock, stock, and barrel.

if by 12, the entire obamacare is not completely off the table, then the republicans are out and back go in the Dems.

because..you know...I am a idiot voter that doesn't care about process or how stuff gets done. They said it, now they must produce or die.

good luck in 12



posted on Nov, 8 2010 @ 04:40 PM
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It went into effect for me today, everyone was required to complete open enrollment within weeks or lose all insurance.

All in all it rose 6$ per month on the base, 10$ per month for anyone not willing to complete a health assessment and 15 per month for anyone using tobacco and not willing to quit ASAP via the quit monitoring program.What I was paying 15$ per pay check now costs me personal info and 18$. If I refused to do the assessment and smoke tobacco it would be $30.50 per pay and 61$ per month.


In case I lost anyone:
From: 15$ To: 18$ Per pay "IF" you jump through hoops and don't smoke.
From: 15$ To: 30.50$ Per pay if you smoke and refuse the assessment.

After all the noise I finally understand why everyone hates Obama...... just wait till tax time. Some one will have to pay for his $200m dollar trip to dance with kids from India.



posted on Nov, 8 2010 @ 04:41 PM
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yay uk!



posted on Nov, 8 2010 @ 04:56 PM
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I like this new way of looking, I think all problems should be pushed off till end of elections 2012, so lets just call it "Q1 2013 the time for change... real change not like the last 50 times you have been told this". After all even the Mayan's saw a time of great "change" in "Q1 2013".


So in all what I am trying to say is, we should vote a dead Mayan into office. There expertise in 2012 will help "Q1 2013 the time for change... real change not like the last 50 times you have been told this" be a success.

We can do this it will work, after all stats show we always vote in the dead guy!

"How Did Deceased Candidates Do on Election Day? Four Wins, Two Losses"


According to TPM, California state Sen. Jenny Oropeza (D) won re-election with 59% of the vote, despite having died two weeks ago from complications of cancer. A mailer asking voters to support Oropeza, which reportedly did not mention her death, has been challenged by Republicans as an illegal tactic; a special election to actually fill the seat with a pulse-having person will likely be held next month.

Meanwhile, Republican Keith Crass, who died less than a week before the election, won his race to join the Arkansas legislature by capturing 56 percent of the vote; again, a special election will be held to find someone with a body temperature of 98.6 degrees.

Missouri Democrat Keith Austin won the Worth County presiding commissioner's race over two write-in candidates, despite passing away two weeks ago. The state's governor will appoint someone capable of independent movement to fill the seat.

Meanwhile, in Mississippi, a chancery judge candidate running unopposed managed to bring in 8,000 votes nearly a month after passing away. The TPM story doesn't mention what plans are afoot to actually fill the spot; perhaps they're just hoping nobody will notice how quiet that judge seems.

Two other candidates found that being dead wasn't going to be a boon to their electoral chances. Jorge Luis Garcia (D) -- not to be mistaken for the guy who played Hurley on Lost -- finished third in the Arizona Corporation Commission election, while Dennis Glotfelty failed in his posthumous bid to become a commissioner in Maryland.


politics.gather.com...



posted on Nov, 8 2010 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by Prince1of2gold
yay uk!


have room for a tired american in your uk?



posted on Nov, 8 2010 @ 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by robbinsj
According to TPM, California state Sen. Jenny Oropeza (D) won re-election with 59% of the vote, despite having died two weeks ago from complications of cancer


So...do you not support the rights of the zombie americans running for office? They have every right..nowhere does it state the candidate cannot be one of the undead to lead.

in 2012, I will proudly vote for Mark Smith for President...or as he pronounces it, "blllaaahhhhhhaaahhh....braaaains". (I imagine its a southern dialect or something)



posted on Nov, 8 2010 @ 10:24 PM
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I don't really think that is going to work, either.

The two-party system is terrible in this respect. "Oh, they didn't do what I want - so I am going to punish them by voting their polar opposite into office!" Sounds like a reasonable way to vote, don't you think?

People are looking for representation, not candidates. They want things to change in DC - and will start looking elsewhere if they cannot find it within the Republicans. Since you are not going to find many democrats surviving the primaries who want to repeal Obamacare - voting for a democrat simply because they are the only other large party aside from the Republicans is rather counter-productive. The Republicans aren't going to be able to just toss 'us' a bone - they will start seeing third parties swallow up their Congressional seats like it's a game of Hungry Hungry Hippos.

The Democrats are running into a similar problem. Half of their party are communists - the other half are socialists at their most extreme. They are going to fracture regardless of what does/doesn't happen within DC. It's much deeper rooted ideological difference than what the Republicans are seeing within their own party.



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