UFO's I filmed in Infrared just 45 minutes ago...

Originally posted by GammaRayBurst
1.I have filmed them before, I don't see them every time I film, I am surprised/shocked for that reason. If I saw them all the time I wouldn't care less.

So you have filmed them before.... how many times would you say? I still don't believe you were truly shocked. If I filmed them before, say maybe more than 3 times, I wouldn't be shocked at all. So your reactions still seem staged.

I guess we/you can't prove you don't film them all the time so there is no reason to go any further on that point.

Originally posted by GammaRayBurst
2. Look back in these posts and you will find one.. I can't do all your work for you.

Yes, I found ONE. With no sound. Why did you edit the sound out? Please upload it with sound. Upload more that are closer to the ground like your original video. When you film straight in the air there is no reference.

You don't do any work, so why would I expect anything from you? I don't.

Originally posted by GammaRayBurst
3. I just became a member a month or so ago..You should have check my Member status..again I can't do all your work.

Your member status means nothing. I don't know how many accounts you have. Even then, why didn't you post videos a month ago? Why didn't you post the other video on ATS before this one? You didn't answer my question, just gave me a smart ass remark.

Originally posted by GammaRayBurst
4. Read reply #1...I've filmed these before, I've seen them so high in the clouds there is no way a Bird or Bug...
Prove they are...Prove, not just your opinion.. again do your own work.

Are you trying to claim birds don't fly in clouds? Are you trying to say birds don't fly high? How do you know how high they were, did you measure the distance with your magical measuring abilities? How do you know they were not birds? Because of your ignorance of birds? You do know some birds fly at 11,000 + feet right?

The burden of proof is on YOU to prove they are not birds. You are the one claiming they are not birds. I don't have to prove anything. I was asking for your proof that convinced you they are not birds. If your only proof is ignorance of bird altitudes then we have a problem.

Again, you didn't answer the question... You just gave your opinion about the objects being high... talk about hypocrisy. We don't want your opinion. You think contrails are chemtrails, obviously your opinion is highly flawed to being with.

Originally posted by GammaRayBurst
5. Read reply #2.. the video I posted back some pages is also of Chemtrails with these objects emerging out of..That is why I film Chemtrails, they seem to be associated with them...Did I expect to see one NO but I was hoping to..

Your video is inconclusive. Both the contrail (chemtrail ) and the object are white. Of course it will appear to emerge out of it, they are the same color and blend in. Also, you were changing the focus on the camera and you can see the object completely disappear because it was out of focus. It only appeared to emerge because it was out of focus then focused, making it appear. This is also evidence that it was NOT the same hight as the contrail, they don't share the same depth of field distance.

Claiming contrails are associated with UFOs because you see them when you film them is a stretch. I guess I can say meteors are associated with planets because I see them when I am looking at the planets.

Originally posted by GammaRayBurst
6. I was planning on posting a video showing the difference between normal videos of Chemtrails and Chemtrails in the Infrared/Nightshot mode. That is why I started out narrating...So to answer your question, Yes I was planning on uploading it...i just wasn't planning on uploading a UFO video...

Exactly what I expected you to say. I know how easy it is for people to make things up and stick to a story. I have busted many hoaxers before. Some are good actors for a while, until they slip after you ask them certain questions.

Originally posted by GammaRayBurst
Yes I've filmed them before.. a couple times back in 2007 - 2008 time frame and now... Your suspicions have been fueled..LOL...

So you have been filming these objects for 4 years, and you are still surprised when you see them... YES VERY SUSPICIOUS.

Originally posted by GammaRayBurst
If you would have read through the posts you would have seen another of the videos I took posted... I wasn't hiding anything.........again i can't do your homework for you...Failed again..LOL

I didn't fail... I saw one video... and the sound was gone... Are you hiding the sound? Please upload that video you posted with sound, I want to hear you get surprised.

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I can't tell you how much you changed my opinion of you with this post...(positively)
Ok... I am thinking that the specific location and conditions are known to the op.. I am assuming that he knew the laser would bounce off the clouds.. This would explain the inconsistancies when they move.. They go in and out, and seem to coincide with the clouds...

As to my wager...I am simply stating, after all of your research, you will find that 1 of the 2 theories that I have jumped on board with, are correct.

I seem to be able to do this consistantly. I seem to have a good track record of looking at possibilities and looking at the work that other people have put into it. And end up making a conclusion that another person will exhaust the facts to find.

I still disagree with the Ops acting abilities and feel that this op is the low of the low - The intentional hoaxer...

As to the words that you do not like... I should be allowed to call out my opinion at any point I see fit. People angry over this, are only using this "ENOUGH" as an excuse to somewhat censor people opinions as long as they possibly can.

As a believer you would love for people to just shut up while your searching for your answers. People that automatically say "fake" and "hoax" are your worst enemy... Of course you would want them to shut up... Its human nature...

It is my "human nature" to speak my mind.. So a thread that basicly calls for censorship does not sit well with me.

Originally posted by GammaRayBurst
Debunkers will always try to debunk, that's a given, and no matter how much evidence you show them they will never acknowledge anything other then what suits they're agenda which is Debunking.
I know what this Camera/Filter/Nightshot mode filming can do, what it can do is see things normal cameras can not. I have taken video of these same type of objects before,

Can you explain then why you reacted the way you did in the video? You just busted yourself.. Move this to the hoax bin...
If you have taped these before.. Why all the "holly sh's" "What is that?" LMFAO..

I am patting myself on the back right now.. Like I said HOAX ... FAKE!!!

I know they are real and not Bugs/Birds or Swamp gas.. Not only do I know they are real but the producers for "UFO Hunters" at the History Channel also felt they were worth investigating further.
I was contacted by the Producers of the History Channel requesting the original Hi8 video tape of a prior video I shot using the same Camera filter combination, and sent a authorization form to use my footage on the show "UFO Hunters". So for all you Debunkers out there lets see the videos the History Channel requested from you.!!!!
I wish you could see the footage they requested but I granted them the rights to use it, but of course the debunkers would have debunked it anyway..LOL

All your worry about debunkers has you searching for a work of art you can fabricate that is Un-de-bunkable!!!


HOAX!!!!

I didnt notice that my new buddy prophecy had already called you out on this...

Like you said.. "you go girl" keep the hoaxes up.. discredit your entire group of believers more each time!

Originally posted by mobtek

Originally posted by Diplomat

Originally posted by Haydn_17
When i see "UFOS" act like that, i ask myself, why would they fly there craft like that? Whats the point?

It's because they aren't physical "crafts," they are spiritual beings. They have been here as long as we have, existing in a different dimension than ours. Why do you think we have so much proof of UFO's but no proof of aliens? CUZ THEY AIN'T ALIENS! lol

Hmm so can you explain to me how non-corporeal beings are captured on camera? If they are spiritual then they are by definition non-physical and therefore cannot be captured by a physical device such as a camera, I think you are confused about what spiritual means, it is not merely a different form of matter.

Well, do YOU know what spiritual being means? If you’re not sure exactly what it means then how can you argue about it?

There are tons of videos and photos of ghosts where they look like people. In fact a ghost is the same type of spiritual being that Diplomat is talking about. They are NOT physical, but they can CREATE physical things (or images) just by thought. They can be captured by photo/video camera as long as they create some kind of an image. They sort of “pretend” to be something, or someone and so they look like that object, which is then being captured by a camera. But when we’re talking about this specific race of aliens, they always look like a flying “ball” – always the same. Which means they use some kind of device to move around, i.e. they are not pure spiritual beings (otherwise they would take different forms), but “symbiotic” beings, so to speak, who use some technology together with they own abilities as spiritual beings.

This video will spot some light, even though author calls these things “demons” in this video, which I don’t completely agree with. But a very good video:

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Wow nice one. That thing accelerated QUICK

of all the ufo footage ive seen in the last year this one is the most convincing . But most aw inspiring is what a chem trail ladeny looks like in the infra red ,
everyone here on ATS should send this to at lease one person


WHAT IS GOING ON !

That's very impressive. Way more impressive than the the one I filmed ages ago that I posted on ATS

More people should try this out. See what else we can catch up there that we can't see. To be fair. Where's the best place to hide something? In plain view. Just outside of our visible light range.

Just a theory here too. Perhaps the government are using chemtrails light a giant highlighter. Maybe the stuff they are spraying sticks to these things allowing them to be tracked or viewed using better techniques than we have.

Originally posted by ZeroGhost
reply to post by BAZ752

 

Apparently my "high horse" has a better view than you think. People are thinking they are seeing birds, bugs and lasers. I know and watch, and have photographed fast birds diving for insects at dusk. I see them each evening I ride past a foot bridge when I work out. The trajectory and speed coupled with angular of the camera to the target look more like a distant object, rather than a 20-100 foot proximity. The objects look like a discreet shapes, not changing albedo as wings open and close changing reflectance shape as the bird banks to turn and flap at a high speed to be as fast as we see. So, not birds.

Apparently your high horse does have a better view than I first thought, but that won't prevent me on calling you out for showing a condescending manner in one of your earlier posts on this thread. It took you up to this point until you actually managed to put forward some level of reason as to why you agree or disagree with my, or another members opinions/theories. I can be arrogant, I'm exceptionally good at in in person, and what I read in your post prompted me to respond to your post directly.

Laser is just silly.There are scenes where two objects interact at appropriate relative, and although fast, the camera person can follow BECAUSE they are at a great distance. If he was holding two laser pointers AND the camera, he could not perform the shoot as we see it. I use such green backscattering lasers in astronomy and it is impossible to point and make a dot without a line from the pointer visible. A laser would need a surface to show a dot on. Even a red laser would not do what you are seeing. Not lasers in my opinion. Sorry.

The lens and filters he used merely block spectra not associated with infrared light, and the "night shot" is a further filtering of spectrum at the processor and CCD level. This is not night vision. It is selective spectra only, but sufficient to show objects that have an infrared signature. If the objects are invisible, but give off any heat, you should see them with such a filtering. Insects are colder than birds, but birds would be unlikely as explained above.

This may well be fact, I cannot confirm or deny. I am not an expert in the field of lens technology nor have postulated, at any time, that I have during this debate. I more than appreciate the technical input of this particular part, and it seems you may well be more qualified to make that assumption than I, and that's fine, it's great in fact, because I'm prepared to learn my own lessons along the way. Even if we might first appear at odds.

Insects are not indicated because of the same flight dynamic and angular momentum and movement characteristics as the birds. There are thousands of flying species of insect in any one place, and it is impossible to know with any detail the flight behavior of each candidate you would need to study, but because I am a visual specialist and investigate as well as observe aerial phenomena and have for 40 years, you can see detail in the "qualitative" aspects of this video such as trajectories and proper flight speed relationships, like how the objects behave in turns and accelerate after a turn. These where not any of the above. So, we can discount birds, bugs or lens dust (not even worth mentioning the dust).

I don't doubt this logic. What I do ask to be considered here is that we do not yet know what is captured until it is confirmed. I eventually heard from a local Ornithologist, the chap was kind enough to actually call me on the number I left him after watching the footage and in all fairness to him, he didn't have a clue what it actually was, but his inital thoughts were birds and in particular, Swallows, so when I got excited and prompted him that I thought they were Swifts, he agreed with the possibility. However, by both his and my own admission, we still confirmed only one thing: without the technology available to us both, and the tools to investigate and furthermore, the expertise to truly interogate the footage it's almost impossible to identify what is happening. Although, it still remains a perfectly valid argument for me to suggest the possibility of birds.

The logic shown in my argument, albeit brief in content, still stands by the information I have provided to help support my theories. I haven't cited any sources to the thread that proves or disproves, I have merely invited the members to make simple comparison and read upon the facts surrounding the birds (apodidae) that lend themselves to these possibilities. There's no real problem with that because I'm definitely not saying: ''It's birds because this link proves it!'' It bewilders me why some people have read my posts and interpreted it that way, but I'm not responsible for 'how' they read that's a percpetion. All I can do is rely on my own ability to convey the message or information I'm provding with as much clarity as possible. I feel I've done that.

For those who "don't believe" you cannot evaluate with an opinion. You have to look at facts and determine by process of elimination. You need to also have an education in physics, biology and general sciences, psychology and behavior, as well as experience with optics, video technology and several other important types of knowledge. With experience you can actually see much more clearly, because you UNDERSTAND what you are experiencing (seeing, hearing, feeling, touching). But, experience is the best teacher. So go have some.

I urge you to read my posts thoroughly. You will note that I, at no point, make outright and absolute conclusions on anything that has been captured in the OP's footage. It just intrigues me that you are led to believe that my opinions are stating fact, when I do not and never have done throughout this entire thread. What I offer is that members consider that it is possible that what we might be seeing are birds. That is not a fully drawn conclusion on my part, be it my opinion formed from experience, expertise or otherwise. I do not and never have stated that they ARE birds. Only that is a possibility.

I'm not probing your post in the hope that you are apologetic in your next response, I'm merely trying to iron out the creases of this discussion and make clear on where I stand with this thread.

Taking my Hi-Horse to lunch.

How is that high horse today

reply to post by BAZ752


I only have a doubt about those objects being swallows or swifts.

Where I live (Portugal) those species are migratory and only live in this area from Spring to the end of Summer, moving to Africa during the northern hemisphere Winter.

nice video OP.
very interesting object movement. doesn't look like birds IMHO.
thanks for sharing.

reply to post by GammaRayBurst


I'm just wondering what MUFON might have to say about all this "spraying" and so forth. It doesn't make much sense for a bad guy to spray multiple times in the same area in daylight when doing so at night would be more discrete.

Middle Tennessee huh? Well not to diminish your concerns but why don't you aim a whole bunch of very large audio speakers at the sky and then play country music at them really loud. Boy, talk about shock and awe. Ha Ha just kidding.

I'm going to check MUFON.

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Thank you Mr Honest for a great post. Looking forward to your future threads. I have filmed those things many times and I have a more powerful camera. My attitude has always been that if you ignore them they will go away. Still I put them on film for my entertainment.

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crowdedskies, no problem buddy. Thank you. I’ve studied all these thing for a long time. These “shining ball”-beings always look the same and behave the same way. They should be avoided! You’re doing right that you ignoring them. They consider us as animals here and they won’t hesitate to murder anyone if they want – that’s fun for them. They have done it many times. They are kind of powerful, but limited in their abilities. They behave like if they were solders who are trained to do limited things in, but do it very well. They simply run this planet through controlling top Illuminati people. That video I posted explains that in many ways (there are about 6 or so parts of the video).

In contrary, a regular spiritual being (which is anyone of us, potentially) is capable of greater spiritual abilities and is not limited to these tricks. But the problem is, we’re asleep, so to speak, and we forgot who we are and what our abilities are. We believe that we are bodies But even “standard” ghosts demonstrate us many different tricks than those “shining ball” beings can’t do.

I imagine though how weird my explanations sound to many people

Originally posted by MrHonest
reply to post by crowdedskies

 

crowdedskies, no problem buddy. Thank you. I’ve studied all these thing for a long time. These “shining ball”-beings always look the same and behave the same way. They should be avoided! You’re doing right that you ignoring them. They consider us as animals here and they won’t hesitate to murder anyone if they want – that’s fun for them. They have done it many times. They are kind of powerful, but limited in their abilities. They behave like if they were solders who are trained to do limited things in, but do it very well. They simply run this planet through controlling top Illuminati people. That video I posted explains that in many ways (there are about 6 or so parts of the video).

In contrary, a regular spiritual being (which is anyone of us, potentially) is capable of greater spiritual abilities and is not limited to these tricks. But the problem is, we’re asleep, so to speak, and we forgot who we are and what our abilities are. We believe that we are bodies

But even “standard” ghosts demonstrate us many different tricks than those “shining ball” beings can’t do.

I imagine though how weird my explanations sound to many people

I can see where you are coming from. Although these entities/beings are adept at specific areas and tasks they do not share the wider capabilities and understanding that we have. However , being focused and one-sided they are very good at achieving their goals.

This aspect of the UFO discussion will become more important as people start to realise that UFOs will remain as elusive as ever.

Not quite sure what to make of this footage.

The lights do move around very quickly.

Do they seem quite some distance away? Maybe, but I've got the impression that if they are real then they are probably only about 100 yards away max. Possibly closer.

They take a very straight path. The ufo orbs don't usually travel so straight, they tend to bobble this way and that.

The camera follows them almost too well, the camera moves at times before the lights move direction.

It just doesn't look quite like real ufo orbs.

This could be real footage - they just move in a different manner to standard ufo orbs

Video does not work for me..

reply to post by Jobeycool


It looks like GammaRayBurst removed all his videos from YouTube and ImageShack.

The only thing left is my slow-motion version of the video, without soundtrack.

reply to post by ArMaP


G, I wonder why... ... not really... I am pretty sure this is a hoax.

The damning evidence was the fact that he has been filming these objects for 4 years and still "reacts" to them the way he did. I asked him to upload the sound track for past videos to see if he "reacted" the same way, but, I am almost positive he didn't. This was a staged sighting.

He is hiding his guilt I think.

Camera moves BEFORE the lights and still knows where they are flying.

Lights are fired like cue ball on a pool table.

As far as the footageto be honest it is well done but fake.

The ufo orbs do not act that way.