UFO's I filmed in Infrared just 45 minutes ago...

Originally posted by Diplomat

Originally posted by Haydn_17
When i see "UFOS" act like that, i ask myself, why would they fly there craft like that? Whats the point?

It's because they aren't physical "crafts," they are spiritual beings. They have been here as long as we have, existing in a different dimension than ours. Why do you think we have so much proof of UFO's but no proof of aliens? CUZ THEY AIN'T ALIENS! lol

NOPE. You forget, that SPIRITUAL BEINGS dont appear PHYSICAL, thats where they have their name from

and, I think theses are birds, too..

cheers

I am calling BS...

When he first sees the object.. he says "what is that" 1/2 second before it is even visible..

Nice job with the laser pointer OP! good try .. I almost gave you a star for effort! Almost!

reply to post by GammaRayBurst


I'm not usually a debunker and often support UFO evidence, but it seems like the camera was following a laser pointer. The infrared and night shot probably picks them up well. The guy on the camcorder also seems to notice them before the video clearly shows them and following anything in zoom is very difficult unless you're holding the laser pointer and know where you're moving the point to. Plus his reaction doesn't seem organic. However, that's just my opinion on this particular video at the moment and fully support the search for genuine UFO evidence.

Originally posted by Resurrectio
I am calling BS...

When he first sees the object.. he says "what is that" 1/2 second before it is even visible..

Nice job with the laser pointer OP! good try .. I almost gave you a star for effort! Almost!

Maybe he saw the object 1/2 second before he pointed the camera at it? That would make the most sense to me...

His vision is probably a lot wider than that lens.

reply to post by prepared4truth


It appeared in the center of the lense... Look at the video again.. It is more than obvious..

Then i would like you to go outside with a video camera.. Try and follow a bird with it zoomed.. IMPOSSIBLE

reply to post by ZeroGhost


Who am I? I am the only one on this topic that calculated the speed of the objects and showed that if they are the size of average birds and insects then they are traveling the speeds of average birds and insects using two scientific methods of measuring speeds of objects from videos.

Who are you??

I also have a very good ability to detect bad acting both in body language and voice. This video shows very bad voice acting.... but that is just opinion.

Seeing as though this person has such an expensive camera setup (external infrared lenses) I figured he has been in his yard multiple times before filming in the area he filmed. Knowing this, and knowing that the objects are most likely insects and birds, and seeing as though I already pointed out other insects and birds in the OP's video... I came to the conclusion that we have a HOAXER here posting knowingly false information. I believe he knows what he filmed and set out to film it just to make this topic about it.

Who the heck are you? I don't see you making scientific measurements, or posting images of other birds and insects in the video before he puts the IR lens on and turns to night shot mode..... I only see you attacking me because I don't easily buy B.S.

reply to post by Resurrectio


He doesn't follow it bro. He swings the camera in the direction he saw it coming towards and catches a glimpse, but he loses sight of it. Same with the second one, he saw it with his vision, outside of the lens (at least, until he swings the camera towards it) but once again loses it.

I'm just saying, how can you call it BS for that reason when he doesn't really follow it and he could see it before the camera catches it? Also the guy seems to be pretty skilled with a camera, seeing as how he has an infrared scope and all that.

@giftofprophecy Are they insects or birds? They're not both. If you matched the speeds and found that it could be insects OR birds (who are completely different sizes and speeds) then that means they could also be UFOs (whose size and speed you cannot calculate).

Originally posted by prepared4truth
@giftofprophecy Are they insects or birds? They're not both. If you matched the speeds and found that it could be insects OR birds (who are completely different sizes and speeds) then that means they could also be UFOs (whose size and speed you cannot calculate).

In the video there are multiple objects. They can be both birds and insects in that video. I believe the majority of them are insects, but there is 1 object there that appears to go behind a tree which I believe could be a bird. It was the only object traveling slower then the rest. The rest of the objects were traveling what seems to be fast, but in reality they are just small, and closer to the camera and appear that way.

If you take the average size of birds and insects and use that size to measure the speed of the objects in the video, you can calculate the speed they are traveling if they are that size.

I calculated speeds for 1 inch, 6 inches, and 12 inches. If the objects were that size, they are NOT traveling faster than 20 miles per hour which is well within the ranges of insects and birds.

If the objects are 6 feet long (which I highly doubt), they are still only traveling 40 miles per hour.

If the objects are 10 feet long (which I highly doubt), they are still only traveling 68 miles per hour.

If the objects are 83 feet long (which I highly doubt), they are only traveling 568 mph, and that is just a tad bit faster than the cruising speed of jets, and we all know how slow those appear to move in the sky....

I doubt these objects are any larger or faster than the above... It's quite obvious to me they are just small birds and or bugs...

No disrespect Gamma But I honestly believe what I am seeing in your videos is some kind of birds. I did notice a few times somethings seemed like they might not be though. You certainly have the ability to record some excellent evidence with that IR camera, keep up the good work. I am thinking about getting one myself. The various things that I have tried to get video of in the sky were done with my cell phone, and while that is at least something, its no where close to the type of camera you and others use. I have been on ATS for a long time but only just registered. I check for new postings everyday and I appreciate your work, keep it up!

Originally posted by Resurrectio
reply to post by prepared4truth

 

It appeared in the center of the lense... Look at the video again.. It is more than obvious..

Then i would like you to go outside with a video camera.. Try and follow a bird with it zoomed.. IMPOSSIBLE

LOL...Wow...That's your whole argument that it's a fake...Can't center or follow a bird when your zoomed in on it..LOL..Give me a break

Well i went out and did just that for you.. But of course it won't be good enough for you..Wrong kind of bird, Too many feathers, didn't fly high enough, sun is too bright...LOL..

By the way, see how you can see a bird flapping it's wings using IR...?!!!!

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reply to post by BAZ752


Apparently my "high horse" has a better view than you think. People are thinking they are seeing birds, bugs and lasers. I know and watch, and have photographed fast birds diving for insects at dusk. I see them each evening I ride past a foot bridge when I work out. The trajectory and speed coupled with angular of the camera to the target look more like a distant object, rather than a 20-100 foot proximity. The objects look like a discreet shapes, not changing albedo as wings open and close changing reflectance shape as the bird banks to turn and flap at a high speed to be as fast as we see. So, not birds.

Laser is just silly.There are scenes where two objects interact at appropriate relative, and although fast, the camera person can follow BECAUSE they are at a great distance. If he was holding two laser pointers AND the camera, he could not perform the shoot as we see it. I use such green backscattering lasers in astronomy and it is impossible to point and make a dot without a line from the pointer visible. A laser would need a surface to show a dot on. Even a red laser would not do what you are seeing. Not lasers in my opinion. Sorry.

The lens and filters he used merely block spectra not associated with infrared light, and the "night shot" is a further filtering of spectrum at the processor and CCD level. This is not night vision. It is selective spectra only, but sufficient to show objects that have an infrared signature. If the objects are invisible, but give off any heat, you should see them with such a filtering. Insects are colder than birds, but birds would be unlikely as explained above.

Insects are not indicated because of the same flight dynamic and angular momentum and movement characteristics as the birds. There are thousands of flying species of insect in any one place, and it is impossible to know with any detail the flight behavior of each candidate you would need to study, but because I am a visual specialist and investigate as well as observe aerial phenomena and have for 40 years, you can see detail in the "qualitative" aspects of this video such as trajectories and proper flight speed relationships, like how the objects behave in turns and accelerate after a turn. These where not any of the above. So, we can discount birds, bugs or lens dust (not even worth mentioning the dust).

My own psychological evaluation of the speech and dialog of the camera person, plus the reaction times, camera movement and his visual response reactions and vocal emotional response were normal and un-staged. He was spot-on for a normal person seeing something unexpected. Even great actors can't do that easily while controlling several tasks with camera, laser or otherwise. I find this completely believable and consistent with normal psychological response.

I have seen, videoed and photographed UFOs. I know most of you have never seen them yourself, even through a lens, but I am also a certified investigator, amateur astronomer, videographer, science illustrator editor and CGI expert, and what I am seeing rings true. Experience trumps opinion here.

Without computer analysis I would call this a most likely genuine event. I would love to see and study the original file. I think it is a good video, worth the time to study.

For those who "don't believe" you cannot evaluate with an opinion. You have to look at facts and determine by process of elimination. You need to also have an education in physics, biology and general sciences, psychology and behavior, as well as experience with optics, video technology and several other important types of knowledge. With experience you can actually see much more clearly, because you UNDERSTAND what you are experiencing (seeing, hearing, feeling, touching). But, experience is the best teacher. So go have some.

Taking my Hi-Horse to lunch.

ZG

reply to post by GammaRayBurst


Your example is highly misleading. Your original video is DAYTIME video with IR mode on. Your example video is NIGHTTIME video with IR mode on. Do you understand what the differences would be?

In the day the ambient light from the sun will increase the brightness of all objects being filmed in IR mode. Objects will be too bright and the light will bloom off the objects making objects look like orbs, and they will show up at further distances, and appear to be larger than they are.

In the night there will be less ambient light and objects will be less bright, and will not have blooming effect. They will not be distorted or washed out.

If you want us to take your example seriously, you have to take it in the same exact location at the same exact time.

Why don't you try filming flying insects while you are at it.

Originally posted by ZeroGhost
reply to post by BAZ752

 

The lens and filters he used merely block spectra not associated with infrared light, and the "night shot" is a further filtering of spectrum at the processor and CCD level. This is not night vision. It is selective spectra only, but sufficient to show objects that have an infrared signature. If the objects are invisible, but give off any heat, you should see them with such a filtering. Insects are colder than birds, but birds would be unlikely as explained above.

B.S. You just discredited yourself...

He is not using a thermal camera, he is using a night vision camera. Temperatures has NOTHING to do with this.

Originally posted by ZeroGhost
So, we can discount birds, bugs or lens dust (not even worth mentioning the dust).

More B.S.

Have you never seen a insect on an IR camera??

You have lost credibility. Everything you say now is highly suspect. It seems more like you are just trying to blindly support this video for unknown reasons, going to such lengths as to deny everything anyone says which discredits the video... You have nothing to back up your claims.

Do some speed calculations and you will see that if these objects were the size of insects and birds, they are flying normal speeds.

reply to post by ZeroGhost

worth the time to study.

reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy


Please, outline the technology used and what we would see with insect, bird or otherwise. You have yet to convince me. I said it was not night vision. Just a visible spectral filter and proccessor sensitivity and selective response. Tell me more. I had no time to look at the camera model and technology.

Still, not birds, lasers or insects for the reasons I outlined.

Why do I need credibility with you? You already have an opinion. I am still formulating my own and reserve a determination for after investigative is completed. I would bet on this as authentic at this point however.

I have a Night Vision Camera with Super Low Lux. I am not sure what you are saying. Again, please be more specific.

reply to post by ZeroGhost


great you edited your entire post.... post retracted.

I am working and responded to the wrong post.

I retracted due to references not relevant to the post. I believed it was another member who I found to be insulting and out of range to the OP.

ZG

I retracted something that all members here, and maybe a few specifically should see.

This is a thread worth the time to read. It might save some from getting banned here. I noticed a couple on the razors edge posting outside the parameters of decorum outlined. Bone up! ENOUGH!

I think the video has great merit. I have seen hundreds if not more and also a fair share of fabrications. Usually they are easy to see, but we have been fooled by talented sociopaths and emotionally compromised individuals with more technology than good sense. I do not think this is the case here.


ZG

reply to post by ZeroGhost


Just so I dont become a target of your condesending tone, can you please point out the words that you and others are "fed up" with... I am not being sarcastic or rude.. I looked over his posts and can not find anything that is offensive.. But, I am a well rounded adult, and I am able to look past a persons interpeted insults and focus on their point.. That is just me.

Didn't see your edit. Ma bad

To focus on his words and not on his points is a temporary escape from the debate, to see if you can get this man to conform to your standards.

Ok, you have a TON more experience with this type of thing than I do. That is more than obvious... I couldn't pronounce, let alone type some of the things you wrote. You are apparently well versed in these things.


The OP says "what is that" 1/2 to 1 second before the object is first viewable..

You say the OP sounds genuine.. I say .. No way.. After several "holly s's" and some forced excitment he then acts as though nothing happened and went back to video taping the clouds.

For a person off the street, this might be a normal response.. But for an ATS member, that seems to focus on UFO's... The value of this video would force him to continue to look for these UFO's to exhaustion.

Ok lets make a jump.. If they were UFO's... Did they fly to earth just to do acrobatics in our sky? Maybe they let the rookie drive and he was testing the limits of absurd flying?

Or, this is just insects or birds... Or, it is a laser pointer. (being controlled by someone else)

All of this is just my opinion.. And I completely agree that my opinion is based on zero experience. I also am completely ok with the fact, I might be dead wrong..

But... I am going to make an ATS prediction.
The Op is intentionally hoaxing us. This will be found out soon enough.. If you are half as smart as you think you are.. I truely believe that you will eventually agree with us on the insects and or birds.

reply to post by GammaRayBurst


I am perplexed.... How many people do you think have actually looked at a laser through a IR lense? I sure as heck haven't.. I would have no idea what it would look like.

But, because I think you are hoaxing us, i wont be taking your word on it.

I am sticking on.. You said "what is that" BEFORE the object came into view. I am picturing you having one laser attached to the camera and an accomplice holding the other one..

But I think the other poster saying it might be a bird and or insect, might have a point.

It is just my opinion.. I would appreciate not being attacked for my opinion.