Revelation; Harlot Babylon (Pt1)- "The other woman"

reply to post by DISRAELI
DISRAELI,

The mother of harlots, that other woman. My mind runs a little more into this thing of Satan being the eighth head. From what we are reading in Rev. 13:11-18 and Rev. Chap 17:, I sometimes refer to as being the explantion chap. we see when Satan is let out of the pit or abyss he takes over and unites the world into one religion and combines it with the world, no longer a separation and the only exception being is the few that will not join him and see he is the imposter. He causes all who will not be of his system to worship him and his image to be killed.

Re 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Re 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

This now is a one world combined state and religion and so the eighth is the last great harlot system and no doubt Satan will headquarter from Jerusaleum. This will be the "great city" at the end. The great city probably when John wrote the prophecy may well have been Rome but lost Kingly power when the wound was inflicted and then went on the horns which are of this system that ends the whole affair.

Way out? Maybe so as new views do look that way until found to be true.

I don't say yet this is concrete.

Truthiron.

Originally posted by truthiron
This now is a one world combined state and religion and so the eighth is the last great harlot system and no doubt Satan will headquarter from Jerusaleum. This will be the "great city" at the end. The great city probably when John wrote the prophecy may well have been Rome but lost Kingly power when the wound was inflicted and then went on the horns which are of this system that ends the whole affair.

We're certainly told in ch17 that the "eighth" is the Beast.
I would say this is the same Beast as the one that comes "from the sea" in ch13.
And this would fit very well with what you're saying here.

reply to post by DISRAELI
DISRAELI,

It is solid ground that the beast "that was, and is not, and yet is" is Satan as he was cast "into" the earth and is locked or chained there until he is freed by the angel with the key to the bottomless pit. The beast out of the sea of peoples was never cast into the pit as these are men of earth. Before being cast into the pit he "was" free and now he is in jail, "is not" free but he "yet is". Practically the whole world will marvel, wonder, admire and yes worship him when he comes on the scene in a body or apparition and is visible. He has been long gone for so long a lot of preachers don't believe that he is, exists.

Re 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
( notice who admires him above )

And he will be chained right back in that pit to hold him a thousand yrs.

Re 20:1 ¶ And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Re 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Re 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

After that Eze. 28:18 says he will be ashes on the earth and in the sight of no doubt the redeemed.
Eternal hell fire?

Tuthiron.

reply to post by DISRAELI
DISRAELI,

After doing a little more thought on this great harlot that the 10 horns of the beast do in I want to add a little more that possibly will make it more clear.

Re 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Re 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Let us consisder that the 7 heads are all religious systems, ( since we know the one head that was wounded was the Papacy they must be all the same.), This then lets consider these to be the Great Harlot Woman and the mother of all false and apostate religion.

Re 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Re 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Re 17:7 ¶ And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

Before the Papacy it was other religions that shed the blood of God's people, wars with Egypt etc. all up though.

Re 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

In order to take in the "ALL" in the above verse we must look deeper and further than one harlot system.

God has put it in the hearts of the 10 horns to fulfill His will,

Re 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
Re 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

This is when Satan takes over and the whole world worships him, as he is seen as god and he demands total compliance and any who won't are to be killed. They must have his mark and those who don't, well it is time the Real Master Steps in. There will be a lot of Martydom.

A little more wrestle with the subject.

Truthiron.

reply to post by truthiron

Thank you for all this work you're putting in.
You're giving us a lot to think about.

Thank you Truthiron for the links"es that make me think also of al so(w) the cause - chromosomal linking to the rose and 10
Now I knows what the forumes of godlikeproductions.com, Lucian Ilea, was talking about when givingout h is message to the Illuminaties

I now attach a link to the second part of this mini-series on the Harlot of Babylon;
"Mother of Abominations"

There is now an Index, covering all these Revelation threads, at this location;

Index of Revelation threads

This thread is numbered as #33 in the "order of chapters" list and Biblical reference index.

Just to clarify;
Nothing in the OP is intended to suggest any particular prophetic significance in the year 2012 or the date 21/12/2012

reply to post by DISRAELI

10-4, Disraeli.;...the Rabbi's have an old prophecy about the messiah coming back in 2012.
this could be termed the wrong one....huh! that's an 800 year old one.
I agree, 2012 is for false signals....and we expect false signals before the real one.

reply to post by GBP/JPY

Thank you for that (good to see you again).

I like your methodical approach, so i shall help as far as the seven headed serpent goes;

The meaning of the name dnin.giš.zid.da, 'Lord of the good tree', is obscure (although Jacobsen 1973, 7, reads it as: 'the power of the tree to draw substance through its roots').

He was an Underworld deity; the Sumerian Temple-Hymn (Sjoberg, Bergmann, No.15) describes his 'house' in Gišbanda as 'a dark cellar, (an) awe-inspiring place'; Ning~išhzida himself is the 'prince who stretches his pure hand to heaven, with luxuriant and abundant hair (flowing down his) back'. "The god Ning~išhzida, "Lord of the good tree," who represented the numinous power in trees to draw nourishment and to grow, had as his basic form that of the tree's trunk and roots; however, the winding roots, embodiments of living supernatural power, free themselves from the trunk and become live serpents entwined around it."


The existence of a tradition of Ningišzida as incantation specialist is suggested further here "Lord, your mouth is that of [a pure magician] a snake with a great tongue, a magician

This seeming inconsistency of a god of trees who is also a god of serpents resolves itself once it is realized that the ancients considered the roots of trees in some ways "identical" with serpents....That they did so consider them is clear from the sign for tree root, arina, which consists of two crossed signs for serpent (MUŠ). A variant sign adds the sign for tree, g~iš. In its earlier pictographic form this sign-group would have constituted a slightly abbreviated form of the 'caduceus." which thus shows itself as representing the trunk of a tree with its roots in sepent form. In fact, the representations of Ningišzida on Gudea's monuments may well be a humanized version of the "caduceus," the serpents' heads remain, but their bodies and the tree trunk having been made into a human figure


As god of tree roots, Ningišzida naturally would have and, one would think, always would have had his abode underground, that is, in the Nether World. In the myths about him, though, he is not thus represented but rather as an Upper World deity who was taken forcibly down below. This, it will be recognized, is the standard pattern for the myths about the dying gods of vegetation."


It has been suggested that Ningishzidda was originally god of the health-giving plant, the herb of life. Yet the plant which springs from the flowing vase is not peculiar to Ningizzida, and is symbolic of abundant vegetation produced by the fertilizing waters. The crested and crowned serpent was Ningizzida's symbol from very ancient times, and later it was certainly indicative of his curative powers.


One incantation text [exorcises] fever and 'every kind of bodily evil'; 'By Ningizzida, guzalû of the wide nether World, mayest thou be exorcised!' This passage has been interpreted to mean that Ningizzida, as a chthonian divinity, received the dead who were delivered over to him by Nedû, the Chief Porter of the Underworld. The reference is not to the dead however, but to the bodily evils which Nedû was adjured to seize and bring down into the land whence there is not return; whereas Ningizzida, in his character of physician, is merely called upon to exorcise them.


Jacobsen states that, in hymns, Ningišzida is called "Grand Serpent" (muš-mah), and "Terrifying Serpent" (muš-huš). In Ninurta's return to Nibru, the storm god describes one of his weapons as "the seven-mouthed muš-mah serpent"

In the Sumerian/Babylonian traditions Inana as Queen of Heaven rides upon the terrifying power of this serpent, to the Semites Ishtar or Ashtaroth. Inana was represented by the planet Venus, in the form of the Morning or Evening star, this symbolism can refer to Jerusalem as your research tends toward, as Salem was the personification of the Evening Star, formerly a cultic centre of Ashtaroth.

When he had spoken thus to him, (the lord of Aratta replied): "Messenger, speak to your king, the lord of Kulaba, and say to him: "It is I, the lord suited to purification, I whom the huge heavenly neck-stock, the queen of heaven and earth, the goddess of the numerous me, holy Inana, has brought to Aratta, the mountain of the shining me, I whom she has let bar the entrance of the mountains as if with a great door. How then shall Aratta submit to Unug? Aratta's submission to Unug is out of the question!" Say this to him."

When he had spoken thus to him, the messenger replied to the lord of Aratta: "The great queen of heaven, who rides upon the awesome me, dwelling on the peaks of the bright mountains, adorning the dais of the bright mountains

etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk...


Holy Inana Queen of Heaven reduced to 'The Whore of Babylon' is a little sad though...

reply to post by Kantzveldt

Thank you for that contribution.
Frankly, though, I've been confining myself to the Biblical symbolism, because that's where I was expecting to find the conscious intention of the writer.

reply to post by DISRAELI



No problem, some study leaves, others roots...

reply to post by DISRAELI


My response to the claims made about the year 2012 was that I could see no prophetic significance in the date.
This position seems to have been vindicated.

The "Harlot" that rides the Red Dragon/ Beast is none other thn the Banker Guild, the since evolved Central Bank System that creates fiat money, charges interest-Usury as normal practice...(see: the present day Rothschild ~created from the house of Mayer Amschel Bauer~ banker model as the creation of the modern day Harlot)


always... at least since the time of Abraham, the early money-changers used the arts of finesse to seperate honest folk from their goods/flocks/wealth so that answers the point of the 'Harlot' being ancient & from the beginning of time and civilization


it is a cut & dry case... at least to my thinking

reply to post by St Udio

The problem is that the Harlot is more complicated than that, which is why I needed four or five threads to describe her.
Amongst other things, she is pushing other religions, which is what is meant by "abominations", and causing the followers of God to be put to death ("drunk with the blood of the saints").
It is very easy to reach simplistic conclusions if most of the details are ignored.

This series was running ten years ago and may still be relevant.

Well, often or not the Harlot is of Babylon, an that there is some mystery too it. And that it happened before, with the whole that which is, was, an yet to come shtick.

Interesting enough, it might have to with the history Ishtar/Lanna while pointing at the early church. I think the Harlot is a depiction of Democracy for better or for worse.

a reply to: Proto88
The Harlot is a complicated figure. I did about five threads on her altogether.