Well Said, Springer....

I personally thank you (as you are a skeptic) for setting the example and writing such a thing with tact and dignity. Normally, as of late, that sort of post would be followed with several condesending pictures and degrading wording towards the OP and all "believers" in general who may have had the audacity to agree with the OP. I love this site but, as of late, the manners I refer to have made me "take my business elsewhere" as it's borderline ridiculous. Hopefully this will help a bit....

The OP is proof that both can co-exist peacefully if we just choose not to go for the big self ego boost by trying to degrade the OP...

Thank you again!

Ive seen the latest video posted and I totally agree with tolerance. My first impression of the video was "oh not this guy again", thinking about the palm tree ufo vid.

It really starts at the top! My experiences have been very objective and have found even the most open UFO establishment is hiding the real truth. We only have each other to prove the events. Our life experiences really are the sum total of our beliefs. If you have never seen a UFO or had any kind of experience beyond sheeple like daily routines, you probably aren't a believer. Change can only comes when the views change mentally.

I'm sick of the horrid UFO videos when they're just of lights. I'm sick of videos being debunked and members continue posting thinking they're real. I'm sick of Hoax videos not being shut down by mods and somehow making it front page making this site look looney.

How about this members: Post credible videos and not just some lights in the sky.

Maybe then there won't be as many "rude" comments on amateur videos of ...LIGHTS.

Originally posted by Somehumanbeing
Fine, I will behave. But isn't the motto of this forum "Deny Ignorance"?
Should we just stand by and let people be drawn to the person that sais he/she was visited by aliens/reptilians after smoking some hallucinagenic drug?

You see this is the nub of the problem. You use the term *smoking some hallucinogenic drug* and I'm sitting here thinking. I can't think of a single time i smoked a hallucinogen, ingested yes, smoked, nope. There are some the can be smoked, funnily enough most of them are perfectly legal. So ignorance is a wholly relative term.

Lets take this forum back to the mid 70s. The people complaining about stupid, ignorant etc etc would then be saying. Other dimensions? how can people fall for that poppy cock? Warp engines..utter rubbish. show me the evidence? where is it? Time travel...totally utterly impossible how stupid do you have to be to even believe it could be anything else?

You want to enlighten people about the Reptilians? Well could start by reading the likes of Vallee and Keel and pointing people to their works. Showing people simply how it's an age old story dressed up for the modern age with a bit of special FX jiggery pokery, is liable to put many younger people off because at that point... it simply ain't cool no more..

I''ll give you clue, telling people they are stupid, ignorant, suckers, when, often, to a large extent, giving credence to the truly outlandish conspiracy theories is a knee jerk reaction to realising, consciously or subconsciously, they have been duped and lied to by the society the live in, is not the wisest of moves.

You might sigh when you see the word Reptilians etc. I might sigh when i see the immortal phrase..."No-one saw UFOs before Kenneth Arnold", trotted out. There is an attitude that does exist in some debumking communities that goes like this. All paranormal claims are utter BS, ergo that makes me an expert on any given field even though i might not the first thing about that field, simply because Ti personally don;t believe it . Now that is ignorance.

Originally posted by Jocko Flocko
What Springer said went completely over your head didn't it? In one word Rex, CIVILITY.

Though having clarified my argument, some people are still trying to twist it. And those same people seem to think the need to be civil works one way.

Originally posted by FoxMulder91
The thread is not addressed to all skeptics..
The first two lines in his first post.

It is very much addressed to all skeptics; despite the first two lines, the thread title is not "some skeptics" but "the Skeptics" and is addressed to all skeptics on how to behave in regards to YouTube videos.

And even then, even though I believe Springer did not mean it to be so, it seems some people think this is about all skeptics and turned this thread into an opportunity to complain about the evils of skepticism. So much for no more skeptics vs. believers threads, right?

Originally posted by FoxMulder91
If you dont like videos of just lights in the sky, ignore the thread.

If you dont think the video is credible, why post a rude comment? Posting a rude comment will only bump the thread making it more visable for others to view.

What criteria defines a rude comment? I'm very curious to hear what people think.

Originally posted by SeventhSeal
I'm sick of Hoax videos not being shut down by mods and somehow making it front page making this site look looney.

I just wanted to help clear this one thing up. Threads are not on the front page because they "somehow" make it there. Threads are on the front page because of the replies. Every reply puts it back to the top of the front page. If you don't want a thread to be on the front page then don't fuel the fire even more by posting in it.

It's real simple. We have so many people here who absolutely hate some of the UFO threads, yet they read them and they REPLY to them. I wonder why it keeps getting put at the top of the page??

I am almost 100% sure that this what not the way that Springer thought this was going to turn into. This turned into an "Uncivil" discussion, about "Civility".

Come on guys... Really?!

I think that is showing the monster that ATS has and is becoming. Most people came here in order to get away from the same "antics" that are being shown here today. I hope that this is being monitored closely, as this is "exactly" what many members have been trying to say for quite a while.

Peace, NRE.

Originally posted by Revolution-2012
Well, as far as I know referring to a user on the forum as a "cook" is far less civil than what I had proposed.

Regardless of someones beliefs, time travelers, aliens, etc. that doesn't give you the right to use derogatory terms against them.

I did not say anything about their beliefs. Again, you ignored what I said, focusing instead on a single word, purposefully taking it out of context.

It's quite obvious there is no point in trying to have a discussion; it seems the over-all attitude in this thread is not to discuss but purposefully twist others' arguments.

Originally posted by Revolution-2012
Also, who are you to say what side I'm on? I'm also a skeptic there pal.

Sure, whatever.

Originally posted by FoxMulder91
I think you know what a rude comment consists of...not really sure why youre asking me. However, I shall oblige.

Of course I know what I believe to be a rude comment is; I am asking others what they believe to be a rude comment.