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I have to disagree. Respect needs to be a requirement in certain situations. No respect, no deal. I have not spoken of fear or retribution - they are both things I am totally against. But if in certain situations there is not mutual respect, there cannot be a positive outcome.
Originally posted by civilchallenger
I have to disagree. Respect needs to be a requirement in certain situations. No respect, no deal. I have not spoken of fear or retribution - they are both things I am totally against. But if in certain situations there is not mutual respect, there cannot be a positive outcome.
By the very definition of respect, it is not physically possible to require it or demand it. If Saudi Arabia does something Norway asks in this case, its simply bargaining... not respect. Lets say someone violates my property rights such as by trespassing, and I then tell them I'm about to trespass on their own property in retaliation. They then leave. They are doing so do cut a deal for their own benefit only, not to show me respect. I don't see how respect can be an act of selfishness by someone trapped in a corner. If Saudi Arabia's government cut a deal with Norway's government and agreed to allow Christian churches they would be doing so as an act of selfish bargaining after getting cornered. If bargain is a synonym for respect, then I'm wrong and you are right. But I maintain that you are wrong since respect must involve either love or generosity, neither of which are involved in the dispute.
While Saudi Arabia may very well *halt a sign of disrespect* toward Norway, simply stopping a sign of disrespect doesn't show that respect is now there but rather just hides the symptom of disrespect. If you punch you me in the face now, but then stop punishing me in the face after my buddies show up, its not out of respect that you've stopped punishing me in the face. Its simply because you can no longer get away with it without consequence. Same thing for Saudi Arabia. They now have consequences for their actions and make a bargain to avoid them.
The idea you wish to *force* people under threat of violence to stop construction of church buildings in Norway is repulsive. So of course I have disrespect of you, anger toward you, and hatred of the violence that you support in Norway. So yes, the fact that you support Norway forcing Muslims not to build churches speaks volumes about you personally. I do practice what I preach by acknowledging people's right to build whatever they wish on their own land. The fact you support the idea of visiting my property to force me into what I can and can't build on it indicates we cannot peacefully co-exist.
As for practicing what I preach, I don't violate people's property rights and therefore I do practice what I preach, and I also show a default level of respect until it is unearned. You build what buildings you will on your own property, and I'll build what buildings I will on my own property. Deal?
Originally posted by nightbringr
Fan-freaking-tastic! This thread is a breath of fresh air for me. Since i signed up to ATS two months ago, i have engaged in debates on several threads about the problems with Islam in general. I dont believe all Muslims are bad, but there are deep, underlying issues that need to be addressed with it here in the West.
I have gotten used to being jumped all over for expressing concern on issues such as religious intolerance and sexism in Islamic culture. I must say, it is nice to see there are some people here with some common sense and can call a spade a spade.
Good for Norway! I truely hope that other Western countries will follow suit in such circumstances. The US would be wise to do the same with the mosque planned for New York. Time to reduce dependance on Saudi oil.
Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by nightbringr
Would you give a big bravo if a Muslim extremist in Germany was bombed and 20 innocent women and children was killed due to the attack
I for one don't condone terrorism mate.
and I never said US attacked Germany using drones, I said US planned to use drones to attack targets in Germany, do your research, just because you don't hear it in MSM Zionist controlled media doesn't mean it isn't reality
Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by nightbringr
I made a big mistake, watch this whole video
It is somewhere in the end, you will see the mistake..
Watch the whole thing, it would be better.
Deal?
Originally posted by phatpackage
reply to post by civilchallenger
Deal?
No deal!. Saudi's in this case are hypocritical & clearly wrong! Makes no difference what you say!
Originally posted by halfoldman
reply to post by civilchallenger
It means that Europe's liberalism is being misused to its own detriment.
If one culture allows religious freedom and the other doesn't, then Saudi Arabia should get out of the medieval mindset.