Depression is NOT a Real Disorder

reply to post by PETROLCOIN

Situational depression is an overall bleak outlook on your current lifestyle; a dissatisfaction with your current standard of living.

Maybe it is not a mental Disorder, maybe it is the life style, maybe a huge majority of the West is dissatisfied with their lifestyle, because they have been forced to live that way by the elites.

Working from morning to night, then come home see your family for dinner, go to sleep, wake up in the morning the same routine.

That is the life, right?

That is what they made you believe is good through the media, constant propaganda, Movies/Music/Newsetc//

Then at the end of the week go party have sex, drugs and alcohol. Wake up in the morning thinking you had fun, when you don't even remember most of the night.

I will toss in my true story here...

My ex wife and her current husband are on social security/disability for clinical depression. I do know first hand from living with her as long as I did that she does have it, and I, myself, was diagnosed with it years ago. (it's no longer a bother to me, as i have gotten older, my chemistry has changed and normalized in that regard.)

The thing that frustrates me is this :

I am legally blind.. cannot drive, can;'t even see my kids when they sit next to me. Writing on the net is difficult at best, with my face literally an inch away from the screen and the text as large as i can get it to be able to come close to some semblance of reading it.

It's from a genetic disorder called Keratoconus, and the extent I have it is incurable, and will progress even worse than it is now.

I have applied for disability many times, and have been denied every time. Yet, they hand it out with no problem to people that are depressed.

I worked for many years, VERY hard, and to be reduced to the position I am in now is frustrating at best.

the politics involved in all of this are really obvious once you have seen both sides of the issues. There are many people out there like me who are disabled, and in need of the help, yet the system hands out the help to those with clinical depression FAR easier than they do to anyone else. It's VERY obvious once you get into it all.

For those of you suffering, why is that, do you think? want to get across that I am not disparaging the disorder in any way, I am fully aware (more than most) of the effects of clinical depression on your daily life, and have witnessed how devastating it can be. But you're not the only ones, and it seems that the system is geared to give you all the help you can ever need.

I mean, my ex and her hubby even have a maid come in to their house on a weekly basis to clean their house, sponsored BY the state!

It all makes me wonder lol

ETA: One thing as well, my son is severely autistic, and has been denied disability many times now as well. Again, they seem to hand out disability for depression so easily, yet anyone else has to jump through hoops and show up headless before they are able to get approved. WHY?

our mind can do some crazy mental gymnastic, unfortunately. sometime i feel people with these mental illnesses should not reproduce, if they do not like the torture they're going through, why on earth would they want to make their children go through the same. even if there is only a .01% of that happening, we must stop these illnesses from persisting for the sake of all mankind. do not breed, especially if you have schizo and depression, the pain you suffer should be enough for you to realize you do not want anybody else to feel it. unless you're really ignorant.

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I'm very glad you have ben able to overcome these symptoms. I have had more luck working on the astral self than any medication I have been on. I believe we agree on this? But I could not have made it to that point without help from medication.

I wish you health and a long life!

Originally posted by DOADOA
our mind can do some crazy mental gymnastic, unfortunately. sometime i feel people with these mental illnesses should not reproduce, if they do not like the torture they're going through, why on earth would they want to make their children go through the same. even if there is only a .01% of that happening, we must stop these illnesses from persisting for the sake of all mankind. do not breed, especially if you have schizo and depression, the pain you suffer should be enough for you to realize you do not want anybody else to feel it. unless you're really ignorant.

Do you even know the statistics?

- The rate of increase of depression among children is an astounding 23% p.a. [4]

- 15% of the population of most developed countries suffers severe depression. [5]

- 30% of women are depressed. Men's figures were previously thought to be half that of women, but new estimates are higher. [6]

Depressive disorders affect approximately 18.8 million American adults or about 9.5% of the U.S. population age 18 and older in a given year. This includes major depressive disorder, dysthymic disorder, and bipolar disorder.

Everyone, will at some time in their life be affected by depression -- their own or someone else's, according to Australian Government statistics. (Depression statistics in Australia are comparable to those of the US and UK.) [2]

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Everyone hits depression, there are those who change their lifestyle and depression goes away, there are those who don't and it stick with them forever with the pain and the agony.

I believe depression, in any form, is very serious and extremely difficult to deal with. I recently discovered some information on pyroluria which is basically a B6 and Zinc deficiency due to an abnormality in hemoglobin synthesis. No amount of prescription pills like zoloft or prozac can help you if you have pyroluria. More information can be found here www.naturopathyonline.com...

Originally posted by seeashrink

Originally posted by lawlb0t
Its all mind over matter. Whether people want to admit it or not, its you who makes it all. And its their denial of their own power (will) that makes them weak.

Simply put, you are naive and ignorant of the subject. I'm almost embarrassed for you.
Seeashrink

Of course I am. I have had depression my entire life, enjoyed basically nothing, didn't get excitement from anything even excelling in sports and playing in leagues outside of school, I didn't want to do anything, etc. Quitting my enrollment at an indoctrination institute was the best thing I ever done, reducing work hours, pursuing my true interests instead of others for money and social comfort/stability, and finding more truth where ever I go. I am happy when I get up in the morning, I have much more energy and I have more of a passionate drive for things. Theres more to it, but basically once I realized how I enslaved myself and that there is a way out, and that I have all the power thats when it disappeared. Theres light everywhere, you just have to be willing to accept it, even at the cost of your entire perception of reality to rebuild a greater one. I actually enjoy the flattened mood from being 'depressed' (lol) I don't tweak out like everyone else over petty issues, very smooth wave form that barely fluxuates.

Now theres different situations for others, but theres a way to lift yourself up, they just don't want to.

I think there is all this depression because mentally as a civilization we are very sick right now, and physically too from all the things that damage our biological system.






Forget to mention that my anxiety is nearly gone. How can you not have a little anxiety from living in this society where you are judged every moment by your peers.

Originally posted by Neo-Dark
reply to post by PETROLCOIN

 

Veeeeeery sorry, but I feel even chemical imbalances with the mind can be taken control of without drugs. Your thoughts are still your own.

Where do your thoughts come from?

What are you claiming here, your mind gets a mind of its own? Those thoughts of suicide aren't generated by "you"? Are they your thoughts or not?

Who is the thinker behind the thoughts?

Is someone else sticking thoughts into your head, are the chemicals generating their own thoughts? No...those thoughts are expressions of your own consciousness. You feel trapped and unable to escape, but what are you trying to escape? Are you a prisoner to even your own mind and your own thoughts? That's basically what you are claiming here...without drugs you have no control over your mind and even your own thoughts, and I seriously will never, ever, agree with that.

edit on 7-11-2010 by Neo-Dark because: (no reason given)

You have far less control over your thoughts than you probably realise. Try to empty your mind of all thoughts. You will be unable to. They will keep appearing like waves on a beach, as one fades out the next will appear. The optimism vs cynicism, happiness vs sadness etc of these thoughts are largely affected by your brain chemistry at that moment (which is affected by your genetic makeup, what you have recently consumed, recent thoughts and experiences etc).

You have control over your thoughts to the extent that you can think about something if you choose to (your consciousness decides to think about something). If you believe you are your consciousness then that is you generating thoughts. The majority of the time though, you are not consciously deciding to have particular thoughts. They are happening to you more often than your consciousness is deciding to generate them. Breathing is a perfect analogy. The conscious mind can decide to control the breathing process, especially if you are thinking about it/concentrating on it, but most of the time breathing is just something your body automatically does (as is generating a constant stream of thoughts).

And of course a person will usually generate thoughts which fit their beliefs, perceptions and experiences. You don't decide before the thoughts arrive which ones you don't want to have.

I try to exercise and eat healthy because I'm aware of how much the quality of my thoughts are affected by my brain chemistry. There are lucky people out there who don't need to concern themselves with this because their brain usually has naturally high levels of serotonin etc, it would be more difficult for these people to understand what it is like for people who have more negative chemical imbalances because it is so easy for them to always have positive thoughts.

Originally posted by AuirOverrun
Am i the only one on ATS who is tired of people assuming everyone is the same?

I did not say all people who do not have depression think depression is not a real disorder. I am saying that there are people who do think depression is not a real disorder, and I'd venture to guess that 100% of them have not experienced and do not have depression.

Yes, I should have put "some people" instead of just "people", but you also could have asked me to clarify before you made the assumption that I was making an assumption.

Reply to post by DOADOA

Ignorance?? The above statament is ignorant.


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As a "sufferer" of situational depression, I appreciate you clearing the differences up. I know I am not clinically depressed, because my psychologist has told me. I refuse to take any sort of medication, for the very reason that this thread is about -- I simply do not have the physiological issues that necessitate the use of drugs.

In any case, I feel for you, and hope that you never take your own life.

Thank you. This is a very comprehensive thread. Initially when I saw the title I was shocked, as I thought you might actually be trying to make the claim that depression is not a very real and serious disorder. I struggle with depression as well. Again, good luck to you and thanks.

Originally posted by Pabama
I think depression shouldn't be called "depression", because people who don't deal with it must completely misunderstand what is going on. It's not people sitting around feeling sorry for themselves. Sometimes it manifests itself into physical pain, for instance. And as others have stated, it can occur when your life is at its best.

yea, hard sicknesses are effective trigger to run deepest depressions, but those occasions cannot be joined to umbrella "depression"

Thank you PETROLCOIN for this thread. It is too easy for others to pass judgement on what they do not understand. I have suffered from depression all my life but when I was younger did not.reaize it. It was something no one spoke of. It wasn't until the panic attacks and anxiety took over, which led to a nervous breakdown and attempted suicide did I get the t treatment I needed. I was also lucky to have had a wonderful therapy group as well. I was able to come away with a feeling that it was okay to have depression and it was okay to ask for help. Several years later I was blessed with a wonderful daughter. Because I also had a great ob-gyn I was able to get treatment to avoid post natal depression. Although it is managed with meds, I have a wonderful family and several close friends, and I remind myself daily how good have it, many times it is hard to struggle through a day, even with mind over matter and energy work. I was diagnosed as being infertile but several years later was blessed with my daughter...blessed because I wasn't supposed to have children and blessed because each and every day she gives me reason to take care of myself, to fight it and survive.

I have been able to kick the anti-anxiety drugs but I have found that Happy Camper works wonders. And I have been told and have read St John's wort should not be taken with antidepressants.

Love and hugs to all of you who have posted here and have been open about suffering from depression and anxiety and prayers those who don't understand can find it in their hearts to not be so judgemental until they have walked a mile in someone else's ill fitting shoes.


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Thank you....something to look into!


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Pearl, I've been disabled for 5 years from the medical profession. I spent 8 years working as a surgery technican, the next 24 years as a first assistant PA for specialist surgeons, some from the very best programs in the country. I've read hundreds of medical journals, and the last 9 years of my career, I worked for an ortho/spine surgeon who was tenth in his class at Cal Tech, and did his medical training at Johns Hopkins. He was hospitalized twice for major depression, and we used to talk about this subject all the time. 8 years ago I was diagnosed, and since then I've studied mental illness in depth, great depth. My medical background includes neuroanatomy, neuroendocrinology, neurochemistry, and neurosurgery. Yeah, I could have been a doctor, but I had no discipline as a young man. Every day of my career, I picked these people's brains with a fine toothed comb. I'm nobody special, just someone with great interest and a desire to learn. I have been a trained facilitator for NAMI (Nat'l Assoc for Mental Illness) for 4 years, and this just intensified my desire to take advantage of my background and learn more. It's all out there if you are willing to look for it and do the work. I've just been lucky to have a great background in medical terminology.

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I have had more luck working on the astral self than any medication I have been on. I believe we agree on this? But I could not have made it to that point without help from medication.

Prime moment here is you forced yourself to be w\o drugs: any chemical method has side effects to damage different body organs that makes new illnesses & new using druggies as well.

I wish you health and a long life!

oh, Amicus, the Thanks for & the same to you!

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by PETROLCOIN

 

Situational depression is an overall bleak outlook on your current lifestyle; a dissatisfaction with your current standard of living.

Maybe it is not a mental Disorder, maybe it is the life style, maybe a huge majority of the West is dissatisfied with their lifestyle, because they have been forced to live that way by the elites.

Working from morning to night, then come home see your family for dinner, go to sleep, wake up in the morning the same routine.

That is the life, right?

That is what they made you believe is good through the media, constant propaganda, Movies/Music/Newsetc//

Then at the end of the week go party have sex, drugs and alcohol. Wake up in the morning thinking you had fun, when you don't even remember most of the night.

you pretty much summed some of the "cause" right there my friend, people mentioned animals hehe there you go.

Originally posted by oozyism

Originally posted by DOADOA
our mind can do some crazy mental gymnastic, unfortunately. sometime i feel people with these mental illnesses should not reproduce, if they do not like the torture they're going through, why on earth would they want to make their children go through the same. even if there is only a .01% of that happening, we must stop these illnesses from persisting for the sake of all mankind. do not breed, especially if you have schizo and depression, the pain you suffer should be enough for you to realize you do not want anybody else to feel it. unless you're really ignorant.

Do you even know the statistics?

- The rate of increase of depression among children is an astounding 23% p.a. [4]

- 15% of the population of most developed countries suffers severe depression. [5]

- 30% of women are depressed. Men's figures were previously thought to be half that of women, but new estimates are higher. [6]

Depressive disorders affect approximately 18.8 million American adults or about 9.5% of the U.S. population age 18 and older in a given year. This includes major depressive disorder, dysthymic disorder, and bipolar disorder.

Everyone, will at some time in their life be affected by depression -- their own or someone else's, according to Australian Government statistics. (Depression statistics in Australia are comparable to those of the US and UK.) [2]

www.upliftprogram.com...

Everyone hits depression, there are those who change their lifestyle and depression goes away, there are those who don't and it stick with them forever with the pain and the agony.

interesting, so what you're saying is depression is as normal as day and night? and that everybody get it at one point or anther in life? so the OP and some people suffering from it in this thread need to shut their pie hole and stop complaining about it like fruit cakes? is that what you're saying? nice, you pretty much took the words right out of my mouth.

Depression can be a clinical disorder. It is measurable and can be treated with meds. There is also psychological depression that can be argued one way or another, this is treated by therapy and can be masked by meds (therapy meaning anything from years of professional help, to a close friend telling you to suck it up and stop being a poof...whatever works).

Anyone whom says psychological depression doesn't exist can have a good debate..there is not enough facts about this and many cases are simply complaining or being all emo. Does that mean that it doesn't exist? no...just that not enough is known about human psychology to see if there is a difference in how people deal with situations

Anyone whom says that clinical depression doesn't exist needs their teeth kicked in and their genitals forcefully removed so they don't breed...its a bit like saying broken legs don't exist...simply retarded statement that is devoid of all facts. Feel free to click ignore on people trying to make that case, as they are willfully spreading ape ignorance for fun and games,and would you honestly trust anything else they ever say on here or anywhere else? They contribute nothing to civilization as a whole and proof that not everyone on earth should enjoy free speech.

anyhow, this topic depresses me.