reply to post by jmdewey60
That's just ordinary accepted fact
More like ordinary accepted view. Just because the majority of people who believe in Jesus believes him to be a god/God it doesn't mean it's true.
You can't simply disregard the possibility that these people, from the time of the first bishops up to now, have been made to believe a lie. As for
proofs, nobody will be able to present irrefutable ones, and even if someone does, it is still entirely up to a person if he will simply disregard it
or put it under consideration.
"When the original Apostles died, the leadership of the Church was taken over by local pastors known as bishops. Under them were ministers of lower
rank, known as presbyters and deacons. The Church organized the area of the Roman Empire into provinces. The bishops at the head of the Christian
communities in the large cities such as Rome, Antioch, Alexandria, and Carthage ranked highest." (The New Book of knowledge, vol.3, pp.280-281)
"At first the history of the Roman Church is identical with the history of Christian truth. But unhappily there came a time when streams of poison
began to flow from the once pure fountain." (The Worlds Great Events, vol.2, pp.163-164)
"For fifty years after St. Paul's life a curtain hangs over the church, through which we strive vainly to look; and when at last it rises about 120
A.D. with the writings of the earliest church-fathers, we find a church in many aspects very different from that in the days of St. Peter and St.
Paul." (The Story of the Christian Church, p.41)
When the apostles died, it seems these apostolic fathers started formulating unscriptural dogmas. But even at the time of the apostle Paul, the same
people were already straying from the teachings of the apostles; some profess that they follow the view of a particular apostle, some follow the
teaching of another, when in fact the teaching of the apostles did not differ from one another! Maybe it all started by someone asking the question:
who's better? It is a biblical fact that these factions are already at work even at the time of apostle Paul's ministry:
"For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of
the circumcision group." (Titus 1:10)
"I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there
be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another,
“I follow Apollos”;another, “I follow Cephas”; still another, “I follow Christ." (1 Corinthians 1:10, 12)
And when the apostles died, who assumed ministry of the church? These very same people did. And the situation was further aggravated by the
persecutions of the Roman Empire:
History of the persecutions
The first documentable Empire-wide persecution took place under Maximinus Thrax, though only the clergy were sought out. Christian sources aver that
a decree was issued requiring public sacrifice, a formality equivalent to a testimonial of allegiance to the Emperor and the established order.
Decius authorized roving commissions visiting the cities and villages to supervise the execution of the sacrifices and to deliver written certificates
to all citizens who performed them. Christians were often given opportunities to avoid further punishment by publicly offering sacrifices or
burning incense to Roman gods, and were accused by the Romans of impiety when they refused. Refusal was punished by arrest, imprisonment, torture, and
executions. Christians fled to safe havens in the countryside and some purchased their certificates, called libelli. Several councils held at
Carthage debated the extent to which the community should accept these lapsed Christians. The persecutions culminated with Diocletian and Galerius at
the end of the third and beginning of the 4th century. Their persecution, considered the largest, was to be the last major Roman Pagan persecution, as
Constantine I soon came into power and in 313 legalized Christianity. It was not until Theodosius I in the latter 4th century, however, that
Christianity would become the official religion of the Roman Empire. en.wikipedia.org...
Before Constantine legalized Christianity, they were already forced to practice paganism otherwise they were tortured and killed. Some purchased their
certificates while some remained adamant and fled to safe havens. But without the guidance of a centralized administration, what do you think happened
to those who fled and hid in caves? And concerning those "legalized Christians", well, Constantine integrated their religion into his empire further
cementing their rise to power. But what pushed Constantine to issue this decree? Because he saw a vision of the cross in the sky before he went to
battle? I don't think so.
These are some of the things we should consider before concluding that the concept of Jesus divinity is something the dates back to the time of the
What you are calling my paranoia could be resolved by you stating that in fact you do not support the modern state of Israel
I do not, in any way, support the modern state of Israel. Their affairs mean nothing to me. There. Hope that gives you some peace of mind.