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I would raise my hand to you....I would love you(as a brother)I will not reject you....I will help you with your pain..................I would tell you that you are beautiful/handsome.............I would give to you...................i would help you heal.
Originally posted by LAinhabitant
reply to post by TWILITE22
You and many here speak of the pain of those "left behind" as if the pain of the person who committed suicide is not valid.
Perhaps the pain of someone they loved who sexually, or physically or emotionally abused them was too much.
Perhaps the pain of being rejected or feeling totally unloved is too much.
Perhaps the pain of not being able to provide for themselves or their families is too much.
Perhaps the pain of being different and not popular or beautiful or smart or successful is too much.
What about their pain? Does it not matter?edit on 7-11-2010 by LAinhabitant because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
You are passing judgment on persons you know absolutely nothing about. Please stop.
You are coming across as judgmental, punitive, arrogant and angry.
Your personal insights are not pertinent in this situation; they may apply to you, but not to others.
Situations described here are very complicated, not cut and dried, not superficial.
You are blaming the victims. Please stop.
Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
Okay, I'm still on my first cup of coffee, but let's see if this makes any sense this morning.
I read this somewhere, have no links. But some of you, perhaps the OP will know what I'm saying.
If time is different in other realms....there is no time. Think about that.
So you have problems here you find almost intolerable and want to escape, thinking suicide might act as something like a "reset" button. So you end your incarnation here. With all your mistakes, your depression, your faulty thinking, your poor decisions, whatever, all the things that led you to the point of wanting to push that reset button.
...and you do it. You then open your eyes into another realm. And it is a reset button. However, you have the same inner turmoil you did when you were in 3-D. Only now, since there is no time, rather than taking a decade or so to work through these difficulties, or even 70 or 80 years, it can take.....how long?...........thousands of years?
Some people believe we come here, in the flesh, specifically to correct those difficulties, because it can be done much quicker in this realm.
So, to throw the in-the-flesh opportunity to correct problems in this presto-speedy realm, so to speak, might be a big mistake, when one considers eternity.
Any thoughts on this? Stubborn One?
eta: Ever see that movie "What Dreams May Come" with Robin Williams? Some spiritualists believe it's actually kind of like that. Seriously. But it's a good movie whether you believe it or not. A woman commits suicide. It shows her in the afterlife. Very interesting.
I do not need to know how something works in order to comment on its flaws. (which we all have)
Personal insight has nothing to do with this. The issue I take with your thinking is that
you feel advice isn't worthy of repeating simply because you read it from me, and discredit it
because my name is attached to the advice...This is unwise.
And yet how much more human is the dangerous insecurity that drives those prisoners in Poe's stories to feel out the shapes of their horrible dungeons and not be strangers to the unspeakable terror of their cells. We, however, are not prisoners. No traps or snares have been set around us, and there is nothing that should frighten or upset us. We have been put into life as into the element we most accord with, and we have, moreover, through thousands of years of adaptation, come to resemble this life so greatly that when we hold still, through a fortunate mimicry we can hardly be differentiated from everything around us. We have no reason to harbor any mistrust against our world, for it is not against us. If it has terrors, they are our terrors; if it has abysses, these abysses belong to us; if there are dangers, we must try to love them
So you mustn't be frightened, dear Mr. Kappus, if a sadness rises in front of you, larger than any you have ever seen; if an anxiety, like light and cloud-shadows, moves over your hands and over everything you do. You must realize that something is happening to you, that life has not forgotten you, that it holds you in its hand and will not let you fall. Why do you want to shut out of your life any uneasiness, any misery, any depression, since after all you don't know what work these conditions are doing inside you? Why do you want to persecute yourself with the question of where all this is coming from and where it is going? Since you know, after all, that you are in the midst of transitions and you wished for nothing so much as to change. If there is anything unhealthy in your reactions, just bear in mind that sickness is the means by which an organism frees itself from what is alien; so one must simply help it to be sick, to have its whole sickness and to break out with it, since that is the way it gets better. In you, dear Mr. Kappus, so much is happening now; you must be patient like someone who is sick, and confident like someone who is recovering; for perhaps you are both. And more: you are also the doctor, who has to watch over himself. But in every sickness there are many days when the doctor can do nothing but wait. And that is what you, insofar as you are your own doctor, must now do, more than anything else.
When you possess much light internal and become strong the Darkness will approach you as an enemy out of fear of your light potentials. This darkness knows it cannot destroy your light but can surround it with darkness in order to prevent you from feeling your light potentials as well as allowing it to be captured. DO NOT GIVE IN
Originally posted by WakeUpAndLive
I have been living in severe chronic pain for about four years now. My back is mainly effected, which seems to be part of an arthritic disease that is hard to diagnose. I was severely depressed at one point, when every day was a constant struggle of agony as I had to do everything that everyone else was doing being a college student. The doctors weren't giving me any good painkillers either for a period of time since the proof of pain didnt show up in tests for like 2-3 years. I was in complete agony, with no where to turn. So I naturally turned to alcohol as a pain reliever/ antidepressant. Every single day for months I used to get home from school, get drunk, lay on the floor to relieve the pain, and contemplate suicide. It was to the point where it was becoming the only thing I would think about. I never tried it because I realized it was selfish, and that I would cause so much suffering to those who love me..... Since then, things have gotten a bit better, I have medicine that helps me more, and I have learned to live with my condition better, although you can never really get used to living in pain all the time fully. The biggest thing that has helped me was my understanding of thoughts and existence.. read on..
Depression is totally real. Society ignores anything that has to deal with thoughts, emotions, and mental health. The schools don't teach you how to be happy and healthy, they teach you to become the next middle class working slave. NO ONE in mainstream society helps out with understanding the mind and thoughts. After some searching, I discovered that thoughts were in fact on a much more REAL level than our society admits. In fact, our thoughts ARE are reality, since 99.9 percent of everything is empty space. Check out the book -- The Holographic Universe, and research quantum physics. You start to understand that science is showing us that the physical world is an illusion on one level. The physical world can be used as a tool to condition your mind to think in certain corrupt patterns. We are all born feeling content and at ease. We sleep, and we have no worries of the future. It is our CONDITIONING that makes us worry and stress out. The way society is structured, and the way the keep this important information from us is a huge reason why we feel depressed. So to sum it up, I took back control of my own mind. This is possible for any of you out there who are suicidal or depressed. Realize that all you think you know is bull# from previous conditioning in this illusory world. No matter how much you think you "know". It is important to draw your attention to the NOW. The past is history, and the future is nothing but unreliable guesses, most of which, never come true. The power to feel content, safe, happy, and loved is our birthright. When you learn to control your thoughts, you control your reality. You cannot expect the physical world to cure your depression and suicidal thoughts. You must look within. For more information check out the following books-- The Science of Mind, The Holographic Universe, many books by Deepak Chopra, and also metaphysics and quantum physics information in general. Good luck to you in solving your problems. Email me if you need any advice.
Originally posted by capgrup
Like yourself I think about suicide a couple of times a day. Everyone's reasons for doing so are different
so there is no one answer. People who say they never think about it are liars or live in Ivory Towers.
Originally posted by capgrupMany people here have stated that if you are feeling this way for emotional/seasonal reasons; then please
try to get help. To give up on life due to something that could be helped by medication is way more
beneficial to yourself, family, and society. It is worth the time and effort.
Originally posted by capgrupFor people like Blaine; who refer to all who think about or attempt suicide as cowards or quitters; it must be
great to live pain free. I have lived more than half my life in constant pain, and that does' not even count having
to deal with holier than thou fools such as yourself.
Originally posted by capgrupLive my life for a week and I guanantee you will be begging to switch back.
It is people like you you force people like me to have to do these things in private, without our families
understanding that sometimes the avenues left to us are not the ones we would wish for.
Originally posted by capgrupWe would like to be with our loved ones at the end, but the shame that society puts on the idea of release
makes that impossible. We have to do this alone, sometime's even going to more enlightened countries
where religion is not involved and politics knows it's boundaries.
So you take your ignorance and until you have experienced more than a sprained ankle I suggest you sit
back and learn.
Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
Aha. Interesting. I would think in that case you often have dubious conclusions. No person has black/white issues. Human relations can be extremely complex. The more information you have about a given situation, the more insightful pertinent feedback you are able to give back.
Originally posted by capgrupI'm confused about why you attach something personal to this. Your name attached to it? To be honest, I've never seen you before this thread. I know nothing about you, or "your name". I commented only on the content of what I've seen written here.
Originally posted by capgrupPeople can be in fragile states, emotionally. Sometimes it is prudent to use caution in what you say to them.
Originally posted by capgrupPerhaps the way you have handled yourself in times of difficulty (being tough with yourself) has worked for you. There are times when I am tough with myself, also. But that's me. That's you. Not everyone responds positively to this.
I'm sure there are others it works with as well, and the "toughness" has it's place. But only being able to read something, and not having a visual on a person to see how they are really doing, requires approaching with caution, particularly when there is so little information available, and so many unknowns. Particularly when we have no real way of knowing how fragile someone might be at the moment.
That was my point. No personal attack intended. Sorry.