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Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Throwback
Ok, consider this. The human being, the latest and greatest part of an evolved creation of a first/last cause as consciousness itself (Monistic Idealism) and the everything everywhere already always and forever (God), who (as human being) in becoming conscious himself, becomes one with God, or God indwelling the human being in the fullness of spirit and truth (pure consciousness). In this way, Jesus, as unblemished consciousness, out of love (love of God to God and from God) accepted, willingly, and of his own free will, to take on the fullness of the sin and sorrow and suffering of the world (evil) as a way of re-creating the world or regenerating it via the human being (himself), by clearing karmic dept (causation of evil) in a radical transformative forgiveness, while at the same time hoping that we, his larger family, would come into full understanding as to his mission and purpose (and his love), but alas we were too dumb and are still to this day, to "grok" of him and his sent calling or mission, most fully.
"Let them be so one that they will know that it was you who sent me."
"And as my father sent me even so send I you."
"I have only one commandment: Love one another as I have loved you."
Jesus Christ is a pattern and a model of authentic leadership and love, yes, even as the begotten son of God, perfect and without fault or blame.
There is nothing "wrong" with it, at all.
It's also an all-inclusive proposition, which does not require worship, although once understood gratitude, and a repentant heart might very well be appropriate, but to each his own of course and love to be love, must be freely given and freely recieved, it cannot be coercive, and this is the problem with "Churchianity".
P.S. God, in fullness as the Godhead, was not fully involved or conscious of himself relative to the human being, until the coming of Jesus Christ, but because of Jesus' coming (being sent from the first/last cause out of love for the human being), the human being is now in full and complete sympathetic harmonious relationship WITH the Godhead, without either limitation or separation, even by sin and evil relative to what is holy, just and perfect, and without sin (God). What we see there in the passion of the Christ, is the height of the twin pillars on the tree of life, that of a severe justice and a tender mercy, while being unwilling to make any compromise with sin and evil. For Jesus (and for those who "grok") is was a perfect and a perfectly neccessary act.
It would be nice if we could understand it, free from any sort of contempuous bias due to "religion" and see and recognize it for it's nearly unfathonable beauty, magnificence, mystery and love, and what it really signifies for the human being, as a point of liberation, set free for the sake of freedom, to freely love as we are loved.
edit on 17-1-2011 by NewAgeMan because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Abovo
Originally posted by awake_and_aware
[...] Please don't compare faith to science, suggesting that it is a valid tool for discovering the "truth".
There is an interesting theory which suggest that FAITH could, potentially, be the greatest problem solving tool known to man, indirectly that is? It is based on the idea that thought or the phenomena of consciousness modifies our genetic code or DNA. I'm no expert in this particular field but the idea is that the deliberate act of faith allows the genes associated with intelligence to increase in capacity; capability.
It can reasoned that a beings capacity for intelligence is analogous to infinite potential energy. However, how does one unlock this hidden, intelligence, potential? If thought; consciousness, hypothetically, is the active principle in DNA modification, then FAITH which is belief in something which can't be tangibly manipulated or scientifically proven could act as a catalyst for the expansion of an individuals capacity for intelligence since the 'object' of faith represents an unknown, undefinable, idea. The intelligence of a person must expand in an effort to solve or define; delineate this unknown?
This is the theory anyhow. Of course, the mechanism whereby this 'growth in capacity' occurs is much more complex, this is the simple idea behind it.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
This idea is of such great potential import, and interest to me, that I'm going to include your post here in my Alchemy Thread in Health and Wellness.
I also think that the "key" to unlocking that potential resides in an Alchemical perspective towards the human being, but framed within the context of a "monistic idealism" (consciousness, not matter is primary) such that the free self, the liberated, creative self, the happy person, resides precisely prior to any distinction or impression and then via a sharp and instantaneous quantum leap (recognition), not of faith, but of gnosis (knowing) born of the capacity to allow one's conception of self and everything else, to dissolve in the "crucible of the Absolute" (to use an alchemical metaphor) - poof, we've been re-cognized by the consciousness of consciousness, the point of leverage or the "towrope" to a higher order of being and awareness, what might be called a trans or supra-rationalism, which is not divorced from either reason, or logic, and this then is what migth be called the "logos" or the spirit of truth ie: infinite intelligence, and in theory anyway - infinite bliss!