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reply posted on 6-11-2010 @ 11:45 AM by CharlesBronson74
Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
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Then you're a Fascist. Simple as that. No if, ands or buts.

I believe in the United States Constitution.


Just like the Joy Behar's of America. Run your mouth about our great country...someone calls you out and the only thing you can come up with is "your a fascist" or "your a racist" No pale your wrong again, not going to stand by and listen to someone campain aginst America, and the only thing keeping you safe is the constition that resides in a country you cant stand. Talk about an OXI MORON.


reply posted on 6-11-2010 @ 11:47 AM by CharlesBronson74
Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
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Really now? I doubt they make the same amount as someone picking up cans. You should get your facts straight.


Wrong again...they make less.


reply posted on 6-11-2010 @ 11:49 AM by Romantic_Rebel
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Dear God! Did you even watch the video? The video explains the same characteristics as you're implying in our chat. I'm reminded of a quote from Mark Twain. How did it go?
Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about.

Mark Twain Source
I'll do the Liberal thing and tell you I love you.



reply posted on 6-11-2010 @ 11:57 AM by CharlesBronson74
Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
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post by CharlesBronson74



Dear God! Did you even watch the video? The video explains the same characteristics as you're implying in our chat. I'm reminded of a quote from Mark Twain. How did it go?
Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about.

Mark Twain Source
I'll do the Liberal thing and tell you I love you.


O man PLEEEESE.


reply posted on 6-11-2010 @ 11:58 AM by Romantic_Rebel
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Well then we would have to agree to disagree. We would get no where arguing who's right and who's wrong. We all make mistakes.


reply posted on 6-11-2010 @ 12:01 PM by Romantic_Rebel
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I can say the same with you. What are you doing to bring our jobs back from overseas? What are you doing with making the government more efficient? I don't see you doing anything.


reply posted on 6-11-2010 @ 12:14 PM by 0zzymand0s
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The America I love cannot be hurt by words, popular or otherwise. It is not destroyed when some moron shouts to the world how much he hates us. It does not wither and die when it is criticized by our enemies. America is an ideal, and ideas aren't easily destroyed.

We are under attack though, by a media which worships celebritards, athletes and political hacks. They would like us all to STFU and watch more "Dancing with the Stars." They want us to argue trivialities amongst ourselves, as if our honest differences in belief are sports teams during the big game. They want us to strongly identify with one side or another because to them it doesn't matter: they control both teams.

If we have been bamboozled, it wasn't by political correctness (which is a small symptom of a much larger problem). We have been co-opted by a system that elevates the interests of Wall Street above the interests of Main Street. We have been infiltrated by corporate "persons" who claim no state, fly no flag, and spend their way to legislative influence with soft money, drafting legislation for our representatives to prevent competition, and unbalance the "free market" in their favor.

America is not undermined by dangerous or unpopular speech, and the retard who jumps around shouting about how much he hates his own country is easy to spot and easier to ignore. If we are being undermined at all, it is through silent acceptance of patriotic slogans and marketing campaigns, which manipulate us daily to believe things that are simply not true, in order to weaken our real economy and destroy what we truly represent -- our "liberty."


reply posted on 6-11-2010 @ 01:10 PM by Chevalerous
Originally posted by space cadet
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Frivolous loaning is what got the banks in a situation. They loaned money to people for homes, knowing these people could not pay for them. That was not a good practice. A lot of people lost their homes, and with no one paying the mortages and loans on these homes, the banks are hurting.


Not trying to be rude and be disrespectful, but I'm afraid you're a bit naive my friend!

It was not only the frivolous loaning that got the banks in this situation, if you believe that, you're either misinformed or is only reading the propaganda from the people who want you to belive this.

No! what got the banks in trouble from the beginning was too high leverage regarding their fraudulent repackaging of mortgage derivatives which they couldn't cover when the bubble bursted and the info about this leaked out to foreign investors, and even foreign nations who had bought those fraudulent financial instruments from Wall Street,

These very powerful foreign investors: Banks, Government Pension Funds, and Financial intitution all over the world then demanded to have their investments back from this Wall Street Banking fraud - DIRECTLY from the U.S Government!

That's why the U.S Government ran around like deperate silly confused headless chickens in the fall of 2008 when Hank Paulson forced your politicians to agree with the giant bailout transfer to many of these foreign investors and financial institution through AIG - WITH TAXPAYERS MONEY to cover up for the Wall Street Banking fraud and to please the all foreign entities and institutions who had bought all these repackaged and fraudulent toxic financial instrument and which didn't have any value.

And as Hank paulson told the politicians, if they had not done that the U.S and World financial system would have had collapsed - and YOU would have had Martial Law in the U.S.

And yes, it's still a great mess with this ticking derivatives bomb of several hundreds of $ trillion dollars, because the mortgage derivatives were fraudulent repackaged into new financial instruments (which then was sold overseas) so many times through several Banks and financial institutions on Wall Street - so in most cases it is impossible to know the underlaying real value from the original derivatives which was based on too high levering from Moody's and others who stamped them with AAA rating between the repackaging and between the sales of these instrument through a chain of different Wall Street institutions.

Moody's and others should have not stamped AAA rating on these fraudulent financial instrument from the beginning - Flawed credit ratings on mortgage derivatives were at the heart of the problem with these Credit Default Swaps derivatives and other financial instruments.

So to say that the Banks got problem and went under because of some of the victims of this fraud (the home owners) is nothing less than delusional and a damn bad case of bending the truth through propaganda.

What the American home owners (who can't pay the banks) is nothing compared in money if you compare the value of these fraudulent mortgage based derivatives which the banks created from people's mortgages and then leveraged the value of the underlaying mortgage value with a factor of 10.

So no! I'm sorry! to blame the mortgage taking home owners for this fraud, and that certain Banks are now in trouble just because of them - is nothing less than delusional and plain crazy!

But please go ahead and continue to sipp the corporate propaganda kool aid if that is comforting to you?
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reply posted on 6-11-2010 @ 09:51 PM by AlreadyGone
First...2010 is almost over...and after last Tuesday's election, I don't see the USA breaking up any time soon...barring a meteor strike or something.

Secondly, despite these hard times...I see many Americans ...peoples of all colors, faiths, beliefs, and ideologies working hard and being resourceful... that is America's secret to success.

Thirdly, despite the hardships...you can still be successful here in America. Find a niche...a need...and supply it...fill it. I help manage a farm supply store. I also have a small farm and am getting back into meat goats. I sell these to Hispanics and Muslims. They have a need and I supply...basic economics. Yup, we do it under the table...the American way.

Now they in turn see needs and they supply them...be it running retail outlets or shingling roofs or landscaping or running concession stands and selling tacos.

Working full time or part time and trying to run a farm or a business or cut grass and do yard work is hard work, but it can be done. The fella I bought the some more goats from today raises them and had dozens of the prettiest goats you ever saw. That is what he does on the side...he breedsa nd sells goats...like I am starting to do...sees a need and fills it.

My point in rambling is that despite our weaknesses, America is not about to fold up. We have actually had a Civil War, 2 World Wars in which we entered both weaker than we are now ... and won. We lived through massive social turmoil of the '60s that makes the current political climate look pretty tame... no Natl Guard troops shooting protestors aka Kent State, no mass arrests of dissenters like the Civil Rights Marches, no states threatening open seccession aka Louisiana in the 1930s...

We have seen many hard times before...age and history provide a paradigm through which we can guage our current crisis...its bad, but not as bad as we've seen and weathered just fine.

Don't give up on America yet... not by a long shot.


reply posted on 6-11-2010 @ 09:55 PM by Miraj
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This..

I've seen this so many times.

And it has yet to happen.

Next it will be 2011 that we will break up..



reply posted on 6-11-2010 @ 10:11 PM by oozyism
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Don't forget, America is running on debt .

Doesn't that mean more job losses to come?


reply posted on 6-11-2010 @ 10:17 PM by Romantic_Rebel
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What jobs? The ones that haven't been sent overseas and the illegals have taken over?
Yep America is truly a miracle country.


reply posted on 6-11-2010 @ 10:31 PM by oozyism
Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
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What jobs? The ones that haven't been sent overseas and the illegals have taken over?
Yep America is truly a miracle country.


I know there have been job losses but I also know it is gonna get worse, more jobs will be lost hence the government can't afford creating new jobs while trying to pay a 13 trillion dollar dept, not to mention the Afghan war is also in dept, meaning the US is not paying the money back, they are borrowing more.

The US is not paying the money back yet, so when they decide to pay the money back, more jobs will be lost, huge amount.

The Afghan war is still running on dept, money is being borrowed to pay for the war.


reply posted on 7-11-2010 @ 04:29 PM by PuterMan
Originally posted by space cadet

I am a citizen of the United States. I think I would notice if I were screwed over. I know things are not perfect, but this is not a perfect world, but thinking I live in a dictatorship is tin foil hat thinking.

Really. Life is good. I woke this morning to hear birds singing in my beautiful yard, to see the morning glories that I plant all over the property. I drive myself to the store to shop for whatever I want to buy with money I earn at my own pace.


Hi, my name is Nhu (gentle, peaceful) and I live in Vietnam. I am old now but I recall that for a long while the birds did not sing in the forests because of the napalm and agent orange dropped by the Americans on my beloved land. My hands are painful and I work long hours making cheap clothes earning just a few of your dollars. It is not enough for me to buy the medicines I need. What did it achieve? Nothing. America is a bad place.

I had a hangover slightly because I drank a little too much Jim Beam while watching my 60 inch HD tv, also purchased at my will with money I earned,


Hi, my name is Gabir which means comforter in Arabic. We used to have a TV but the Americans bombed our house and killed my father and two of my sisters. My mother will never be comforted. Despite my name I can do nothing to help her. My father and our family were our great pride, but the family is shattered now. I have no job as there is no work. Saddam may have been a hard dictator, but life was better then than it is now. I will never be happy until America is driven from our land.

I earn good money because I went to college, I went to college because my government payed me to go to college, being the daughter of a veteran. One of 7 actually.


Hi my name is Chiyoko and I live in Japan. My name means child of 1000 generations. I was a child when the Americans dropped that evil bomb on my city Nagasaki. I was terribly disfigured and cannot go out to work as I cannot bear for anyone to see my twisted body. I am the last of the 1000 generations as I was unable to have children due to the radiation, even if I could have found a girl to look at me. I will never forgive America for what it did.

I have made good decisions, and bad ones, none of which were ever influenced by my government. They are not all up in my everyday life. But because of my government, I don't have to be concerned with war in my street, I do not fear any country coming here and 'taking over' it will never happen.


Hi my name is Kareema meaning Generous, Noble and I live in Afghanistan. I live in constant fear of being bombed by the Americans and I know that my country will never be free now that minerals have been found. I used to hate the Russians, but now I fear the Americans more.

I am sitting here at my job talking about whatever I want to, on the computer, if I want to Twitter to Lady Gaga, I can. If I want to facebook my favorite author, I can. If I want to quit my job tonight and start all over with a totally different plan tomorrow, I can. And If I need to borrow some money, my bank will lend it to me. If I want to grow my own food I can, and I do. If I don't want to I can do that too. I can were the sexiest of clothes, and go wherever I want to, or I can just kick it in a pair of sweatpants, and I can so NO TO BURKAS.


Hi my name is Fernando (intelligent, brave) and I used to live in the forests of Ecuador until the American oil men came and destroyed my land and my forest and polluted my country. I used to grow all the food for my family and fish the rivers, and although we were poor by your standards we were happy. I have no land now and I cannot borrow money from the bank as I have no way to repay it. I have had no compensation from America for the damage they have done stealing our oil and ruining our land. I hate America for this.

Life is good here. And I am happy.


Hi, Tamako here. My name means jewel child and I live on Okinawa. I am 21 and I was raped by an America sailor 2 years ago. He was never punished. I had an abortion and have had problems ever since. Life is not good and I am always afraid. I wish the Yankees would just go away and leave us in peace.
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reply posted on 8-11-2010 @ 05:33 AM by boomadatigger
reply to post by CharlesBronson74



The 1st amendment was not for the protection of popular speech as popular speech doesn't need protection. It was meant to protect UNPOPULAR speech.


reply posted on 8-11-2010 @ 05:36 AM by Romantic_Rebel
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Source
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I believe in the United States. No the so called Christian Nation Conservatives create.
You know what I'm saying?
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