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melt when it gets too cold! Is that awesome or what? It also doesn't make a lick of common sense!
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reply posted on 7-6-2011 @ 01:59 AM by Therian
reply to post by madnessinmysoul
Read your post and can't say you are 100%. Common sense tells me when I toss a rock into the air it will come back down. Science proves it of course. I am not arguing your evolutions theories one way or the other. Science and common sense may not be mutually exclusive,But they can coexist.
Just a quick note before Gravity was considered and termed it was common sense ei when ever you shot an arrow up it came back down. Before arrows it was sling stones.. Cave paintings show cavemen dropping rocks on mammoths. Not understanding the properties of gravity did not preclude using it...Common Sense
Read your post and can't say you are 100%. Common sense tells me when I toss a rock into the air it will come back down. Science proves it of course. I am not arguing your evolutions theories one way or the other. Science and common sense may not be mutually exclusive,But they can coexist.
Just a quick note before Gravity was considered and termed it was common sense ei when ever you shot an arrow up it came back down. Before arrows it was sling stones.. Cave paintings show cavemen dropping rocks on mammoths. Not understanding the properties of gravity did not preclude using it...Common Sense
edit on 7-6-2011 by Therian because: Read your latest,
reply posted on 7-6-2011 @ 02:05 AM by fooks
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by predator0187
Well, that's the thing about common sense, it's common. The majority of science is uncommon and some of it is very rare to come across.
Now, you're right that an informed populace would allow for common sense to become a much greater thing, but that's not the case.
And any new counterintuitive scientific discoveries will be subject to the same bias that the old ones that are now in the canon of 'common sense' were subject to initially.
Hence, common sense is still useless in science. Only informed sense.
ya,
all soooooooooo above the common people.
you want to go back to the high priest crap and "oracle" gods stuff, huh?
sorry, we can burn u guys now.
reply posted on 7-6-2011 @ 10:21 AM by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by Therian
And none of that contains the idea that there is an invisible attractive force between all objects...the idea that an arrow falls to the ground had nothing to do with the idea that there is an invisible attractive force.
Common sense may help with discovering some surface ideas about the world, but the realities of the universe are far from intuitive.
And none of that contains the idea that there is an invisible attractive force between all objects...the idea that an arrow falls to the ground had nothing to do with the idea that there is an invisible attractive force.
Common sense may help with discovering some surface ideas about the world, but the realities of the universe are far from intuitive.
reply posted on 7-6-2011 @ 10:26 AM by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by fooks
Wow, what a big straw man you've made! I've never seen one that big before.
Hell fornicating no. I'm talking about helping people understand that common sense is useless. In my ideal world the average person would have greater critical thinking faculties than me. The average person, the common person, would have a greater understanding of science and the scientific method than me.
I want to make the common people better, not make them dependent on me. I want the average person to not be lured in by woo and superstition.
Last time I checked, genocide against intellectuals would be the most horrendous idea for the quality of life of the average people.
Wow, what a big straw man you've made! I've never seen one that big before.
Originally posted by fooks
ya,
all soooooooooo above the common people.
you want to go back to the high priest crap and "oracle" gods stuff, huh?
Hell fornicating no. I'm talking about helping people understand that common sense is useless. In my ideal world the average person would have greater critical thinking faculties than me. The average person, the common person, would have a greater understanding of science and the scientific method than me.
I want to make the common people better, not make them dependent on me. I want the average person to not be lured in by woo and superstition.
sorry, we can burn u guys now.
Last time I checked, genocide against intellectuals would be the most horrendous idea for the quality of life of the average people.
reply posted on 7-6-2011 @ 10:33 AM by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by SisyphusRide
Well, I'd agree with Einstein:
Consensus. Granted, I have no way of knowing if what I consider to be blue appears to be blue in your eyes. Your 'blue' might look like what I see as red. Of course, we can objectively measure the color of the sky using instrumentation that takes a reading of the frequency of the light refracted through the atmosphere.
Hell, common sense tells us that the sky is blue..really, the sky is colorless. What we're seeing is refracted sunlight, which is why the sky isn't blue at night.
Because it's a pretty simple label. We're not talking about assigning colors, we're talking about determining the working of complex systems. Last I checked, these same people also thought that consciousness and feeling resided in the heart....so....they got a few fairly obvious things right and got pretty much everything else wrong.
Even Aristotle, one of the most brilliant people in all of human history, was wrong about nearly everything he said. He was closer to right than most other people, but his lack of a good system by which to derive understanding of the universe around him hampered his progress.
Really? I've not heard of a nation which has that rule? Oh, you're thinking that elections based on popular vote constitutes a law that declares that the majority is allowed to declare what the nature of reality is. Guess what: If fornicating isn't!
And yet they make up the majority of the nations which have the highest standard of living and they make up the vast majority of academia.
Oh, and the crazy thing is that we're talking about science instead of religion or governance. Science is not a democracy, it is a tyranny of evidence.
Yeah, you just oppress them, prevent them from holding significant amounts of political power while making sure they aren't properly able to practice free speech.
Originally posted by SisyphusRide
what is common sense exactly?
Well, I'd agree with Einstein:
Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen.
how to a group of people agree on what color the sky is?
Consensus. Granted, I have no way of knowing if what I consider to be blue appears to be blue in your eyes. Your 'blue' might look like what I see as red. Of course, we can objectively measure the color of the sky using instrumentation that takes a reading of the frequency of the light refracted through the atmosphere.
Hell, common sense tells us that the sky is blue..really, the sky is colorless. What we're seeing is refracted sunlight, which is why the sky isn't blue at night.
or better yet, how did a group of people in the past come to the conclusion that the sky is in fact blue when they did not have a fraction of the scientific understanding of how the human brain works and processes colors.
Because it's a pretty simple label. We're not talking about assigning colors, we're talking about determining the working of complex systems. Last I checked, these same people also thought that consciousness and feeling resided in the heart....so....they got a few fairly obvious things right and got pretty much everything else wrong.
Even Aristotle, one of the most brilliant people in all of human history, was wrong about nearly everything he said. He was closer to right than most other people, but his lack of a good system by which to derive understanding of the universe around him hampered his progress.
there is a little law that has been floating around sometime now and it is called "Majority Rule"
Really? I've not heard of a nation which has that rule? Oh, you're thinking that elections based on popular vote constitutes a law that declares that the majority is allowed to declare what the nature of reality is. Guess what: If fornicating isn't!
I'm sure you've heard of it... Right now atheists make up a very small minority (including China) hehe of the planets population.
And yet they make up the majority of the nations which have the highest standard of living and they make up the vast majority of academia.
Oh, and the crazy thing is that we're talking about science instead of religion or governance. Science is not a democracy, it is a tyranny of evidence.
but hey, minorities have rights... good thing we're past the burn em at the stake days.
Yeah, you just oppress them, prevent them from holding significant amounts of political power while making sure they aren't properly able to practice free speech.
reply posted on 8-6-2011 @ 08:43 PM by SisyphusRide
reply to post by madnessinmysoul
you see that is exactly my point... there are just some people who have their science, politics, and their religion all mixed up. It is quite obvious when one is graced by the presence from one of these individuals. In all actuality these particular individuals are just fanatics... they claim to be all scientific but never talk about anything interesting about science ect. The only thing these fanatics use science or politic for is to push their belief system onto others. Most everything in their minds revolve around religion and beliefs, the science or politics card is only pulled to mask something they themselves do not understand.
you see that is exactly my point... there are just some people who have their science, politics, and their religion all mixed up. It is quite obvious when one is graced by the presence from one of these individuals. In all actuality these particular individuals are just fanatics... they claim to be all scientific but never talk about anything interesting about science ect. The only thing these fanatics use science or politic for is to push their belief system onto others. Most everything in their minds revolve around religion and beliefs, the science or politics card is only pulled to mask something they themselves do not understand.
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