America’s Nazi Future

A fascinating interview of a former Hitler Youth and WWII POW.

Hilmar Von Campe discusses the similarities of the American government today with the rise of Nazi Germany.

Watch the entire video here.

Former Hitler Youth member and World War Two veteran Hilmar Von Campe warns that America's collective turn away from God is greasing the skids for the state to take over as the ultimate authority, threatening a repeat of the rise of National Socialism, as he warns that the Obama White House and the United States government in general now more closely embrace the political doctrines of the Nazis than they do those of the founding fathers.

Von Campe explains how when he returned from the war he was determined to find out how the Germans, a relatively cultured and civil people before the rise of the Nazis, could have allowed a monster like Hitler to implement the Third Reich. Von Campe attributes the fall of Germany to the Nazis partly to "Godlessness," a collapse in moral standards, and the German people acting contrary to God's desires. Based on this revelation, he has created a formula to try and prevent countries from succumbing to tyranny in future.

Von Campe explains how children were indoctrinated by the state and the education system to uphold Nazi beliefs and then spy on and inform on their parents if they didn't follow suit, as a way of breaking up families and enforcing a single ideology. He also reveals how the Nazis insisted upon discussion about religion and God being kept out of society, in the interests of ensuring that the people could not call on a higher authority than the state and therefore were less inclined to resist the Nazi takeover.

Von Campe warns that the process of taking God out of society and education, and the accelerating erosion of America's Christian foundations bears startling similarities to how National Socialism established itself in 1930's Germany, while chillingly pointing out that the US Senate, House and the Obama White House now more closely resembles the Nazis than it does the founding fathers

For all intents and purposes, I am an Atheist. However, I think Von Campe makes many good points that reflect on how the State places itself in the role of a Savior.

My gripe with this article is it wasn't the Obama White House that gave us: The Patroit Act, Illegal wiretaps, and such rhetoric as "You're either with us, or against us". Obama just continued the rise of Fascist state run by behind the scenes moneymen, Neither Bush nor Obama were qualified but appeal to the masses and distract us from the real threats to democracy and rights.

Originally posted by the owlbear
My only gripe with this article is it wasn't the Obama White House that gave us: The Patroit Act, Illegal wiretaps, and such rhetoric as "You're either with us, or against us". Obama just continued the rise of Fascist state run by behind the scenes moneymen, Neither Bush nor Obama were qualified but appeal to the masses and distract us from the real threats to democracy and rights.

Fascism isn't the removal of personal liberties and intrusive searches.

Fascism is the cartelization of industry under the direction of the State.

According to Mussolini's The Doctrine of Fascism, the US is indeed a nearly complete fascist state.

Of course, Bush was just as much a fascist in this regard as Obama is, so you can stop with the republican/democrat bickering.

If you haven't figured it out yet, this isn't about parties, since both of them are the same.

This is really not surprising when one realizes how much of the nazi leadership and brain trust made their homes here after the war... Also when one factors in that the Nazi ideology was supported by a fairly large percentage of the rich and powerful who funded and helped arm the nazi's in the 30's etc.

Also when you look at it from the perspective of the american citizenry being conditioned more and more to vote the PERSONALITY over anything else... Not to mention our downward slide and the international banking cartels careful positioning of our country into an untenable financial position which could very well trigger a weimar style event and then the shaping of public opinion worldwide by MSM that paints america as the Nazi's reborn and aggressors (not that we aren't but ... I'm pointing out the MSM slowly but surely laying the groundwork for an eventual push to turn the US into the BAD GUY that the rest of the world needs to band together and STOP before it's too late.)

or if you mean the youth corps that the democrats keep trying to push through ... Or the NATIONAL SOCIALIST operating style the country has fallen into where Government serves Business to the extent that Losses are covered by the government and hence us the taxpayers while gains and profits are still given to the share holders and ownership...

Sort of a bizarre corporate welfare situation.

By most sane definitions we have begun the slide into fascism... as well as Kleptocracy (the Stock exchange is rigged SEVERAL distinct ways eminent domain can now be requested by coporate interests, and the list goes on and on.

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That's exactly right.

The right and the left of early 20th century America were quite enamored with the doctrine of fascism and pursued it vigorously.

Here, Prof. Joseph Selarno comments on the Keynesian and Chicago School of economics early infatuation with fascist doctrine.

Hey buddy,
I suggest you read this book:
www.powells.com...

It's kind of hard to find but it's well written, well researched, and damn well enlightening.

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If we are to use the definition of fascism...we are already a Corporatist state and have been for some time with an illusion of democratic process that plays out for the masses. I have no doubt that both parties are just running a show for their corporate (and especially banking) masters. It's just that under Bush, the veil was lifted.


From Wikipedia:

[18] Fascists reject and resist the autonomy of cultural or ethnic groups who are not considered part of the fascists' nation and who refuse to assimilate or are unable to be assimilated.[19] They consider attempts to create such autonomy as an affront and a threat to the nation.[19] Fascist governments forbid and suppress opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement.[20] They identify violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality

I know wiki is not the best place to quote but you get the idea...

Obama was just brought in to appease the other side of the coin that didn't buy into what went down during Bush's apparent reign. It's easier to calm folks down with an election that goes their way than sending out the Gestapo or Brownshirts. Tuesday night filled this role nicely with both sides now with "control" over branches of government.

Originally posted by mnemeth1
Fascism isn't the removal of personal liberties and intrusive searches.

Please tell that to the families of those oppressed, tortured and executed under the Nazi regime.


One word for you:

Duh.

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i think you missed my point. I know it s not about parties the whole us political scene is just a ruse to keep us distracted. I was simply pointing out that obama s administration didnt begin this situation. His cult of personality was brought in to appease those who didnt buy into this nonsense under bush. Like i said both were underqualified yet appealed to the masses and both are backed by the real powers in this country and world for that matter. Sorry for the confusion and grammar...trying to type on a cellphone.

Originally posted by the owlbear
My only gripe with this article is it wasn't the Obama White House that gave us: The Patroit Act, Illegal wiretaps, and such rhetoric as "You're either with us, or against us". Obama just continued the rise of Fascist state run by behind the scenes moneymen, Neither Bush nor Obama were qualified but appeal to the masses and distract us from the real threats to democracy and rights.

No I think this all came from the elder Bush,I don't believe Dubya ran the country during his years I think his father did.Him and the other Nazi politicians.

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Hilmar Von Campe discusses the similarities of the American government today with the rise of Nazi Germany.

I hope this doesn't imply that you welcome the rise of Naziism in the USA?

One thing you might be forgetting, however....when the Nazis were gaining hold in Germany in the 1930s there was little like them before, as precedent.

NOW we have that history to refer to, and to compare to. People aren't that stupid, to allow it to happen again.

for this thread. I thought I was alone seeing some similarities with the pre-war Nazi Germany.

William L. Shirer mentions how the germans were manipulated by their controlled medias in Berlin's Diary.

Future?
We've been there for quite a while already IMO.
What's strikingly similar now between pre-war Germany and the US today is the exorbitant spending we have on the military, the same as Germany from 1933-39. Germany's economy was propped by an economic shell game of loans made by the US and Britain which financed rearmament. Hitler had to start WW2 lest the German economy collapsed. Sound familiar?
I agree that the demise of the church closely parallels the rise of the government as the final arbiter of truth.
While 30 years ago it was the religious right that brought Reagan into power, these same churches today have slipped into apostasy by granting moral excuses for government excesses. At no point have the Religious right ever challenged a Republican President or his policies.
Had Obama started the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan they would have criticized him mercilessly, just as they hounded Clinton.
Somehow, all the murder, torture, gross over-spending on military is ok by the church. The 10 commandments are now selectively applied when it comes to politics and the church no longer remembers right from wrong.
Let's hope if America starts WW3 that the victors will give the US some type of Marshall plan.
Why won't humanity ever learn?

Google "operation paperclip" if you don't think Nazis could ever get a foot hold in America.

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Seriously Weed, how many Americans know anything about history? 10%? 5%? >1%?

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Nobody learns from history. There's the ever present idiocy of "but this time we'll do it better."

People think and act like the absolute lesson of past experience can be trumped with "we're smarter" or "times are different now" or even hubris fueled denial as in "that could never happen now/here/to us."

Which is why history is constantly repeating.


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Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by mnemeth1
Fascism isn't the removal of personal liberties and intrusive searches.

Please tell that to the families of those oppressed, tortured and executed under the Nazi regime.


One word for you:

Duh.

The US at one point enslaved black people.

The US at one point locked up all the Japanese Americans into concentration camps.

The US at one point forbid blacks from using the same public tax payer funded services as whites.

The US at the present moment has the HIGHEST PER-CAPITA PRISON POPULATION IN THE WORLD.

So yeah, Duh.

Fascism is not about imprisoning people, it is about cartelizing industry. Go read Mussolini.

The typical out-come of all the laws that follow from the cartelization of industry typically leads to higher prison populations, but they are not what define fascism. Cartelized industry under government regulation is what defines fascism.

Mussolini defined fascism as a merger of State and Corporate interests.

Mussolini saw the fascist State as government regulating industry into cartels, and then giving those cartels a specific seat at the government table.

To be honest, Mussolini's system of fascism is actually BETTER than our current system because the cartels created by government regulation are subordinate to the State, rather than superior, which is the state we have today.