10 Year Old Girl Gives Birth!! What is the World Coming to?!

reply to post by stumason


I wouldn't take lessons in a country's ethnography from a woman who can't keep her 10 year old daughter from getting pregnant. She's just trying to somehow justify her own irresponsibility.

The Roma community might have it hard, but there is also such a thing as personal responsibility. This woman doesn't have it.

reply to post by Wallachian


You make a good point!

That said, be it Roma or Romanian "culture" to get "married" so young, I still emplore people not to judge or call for peoples deaths based soleley on their own limited frame of reference and what passes for morality where they come from. As I said earlier the age of consent varies wildly, even in Europe, and what may pass as acceptable, sexual or otherwise, in one place may be abhorent in another.

In Greece, for example, showing the bottom of your feet in public in some rural area's will get you assaulted by old women, whereas in England, pushing into a queue (a concept totally alien in some parts of the world) will ruffle alot of feathers.

It may be sad and undesirable for a young girl to have a baby in our culture, but not long ago it was acceptable. The day we accept people are different the world over and stop trying to impose our will and way of life as if it is somehow superior is the day we might make some progress towards a happy world.

reply to post by CosmicEgg


Sorry but those 'hormones' you speak of wont have kicked in at ten years of age. She hardly could've even hit puberty yet, meaning her body would NOT be ready for pregnancy. And even if she had hit puberty there is no way in hell she is psychologically ready for a child! What is she going to do? drop out of school? Begin working (or if she's in a 3rd world situation - work even harder to generate enough money to look after the child)? What about the father? will he support the mother and child? I think the answer to that is a resounding NO!!!

What will happen here is a failed relationship between IMMATURE and ILL-PREPARED minors, with the product being a baby that will grow up in a poor socioeconomic family and most likely a family situation in which she has a mother barely older then her and no father. All of that uis assuming she isn't taken away by child services.

No i'm sorry but i think you are being exceedingly short sited and do not truly grasp how dire this situation is.

Quit being children. The "father" is allegedly only a couple of years older than her, they're debating whether or not to charge him, seeing as he, too, is a minor.

Different cultures would have us endure different social norms, and while it conflicts with our own values and norms, it is not inherently "incorrect." I, personally, wouldn't condone it. I don't believe any child should have to deal with such a situation, but at the same time, there are cultures all over the world that have far more lenient views in regards to maturity and sex than us. To say something as ridiculous as, "How could you have NOT been watching them?!" is just absurd.

First of all, it doesn't take long to "do the deed" at all, especially at such an inexperienced age. Our culture has made it blatantly clear to us in various media that men can go off like bottle-rockets. You mean to tell me that you are watching your child 24/7? (Of course, we'll have those that reason that they at least have an idea of where their children are, or something to that extent. Or that they took precautions. Which is fine and dandy, but not everyone faces the world with their mental faculties on the same wavelength as you, or what you believe is "responsible", and not everyone is has the resources to do so. Whether it is physical resources, or intellectual resources--basically going back to mental faculties.)

Face it, there are moments when parents become a little too preoccupied with things. More often than not, there will be moments where you don't know what kind of conversations your children have when you aren't around. To expect every single parent to monitor their child 100% of the time without fault is rather unreasonable.

People make mistakes. Things happen.



I'm sure our concerns are vested in the same general areas. (The psychological effects of such a traumatic experience on a youth such as this. The drastic physiological changes she must endure. Her health, the health of her child, and what the future might hold.)

From what I gather, if she is accepted into a nurturing environment, then she won't have to endure being ostracized by her peers and familiars. If her elders are ready to lend a hand in raising the child, then one could assume that the child will receive some semblance of an appropriate upbringing. If she is alive and well, then it could be assumed that her physiological state is stable. She wasn't sold into this, or held against her will(to my knowledge), it just happened. It wasn't rape(as far as the reports say), it was consenting sex between two estranged minors with a pocket full of adequate coupling time. (Supposedly no longer together.)

The most damaging element in this story is the element of people forcibly trying to knock the lives of the parties in question ajar and administer emergency treatment.


It was once explained to me that even if a situation/character is peculiar, and out of norm, they aren't at fault unless their behavior is destructive to themselves or others. It is at that point that aide is offered. (Debatable points.)



"It is not our job to condone, but to understand."

Save your torches for the cookout. Ready your minds for understanding, posit sound conclusions without baseless assumptions or bias. But, always be conscious of whether or not you are aiding a situation that "needs" or "warrants" aide, e.g., fixing something that ain't broken. As well as maintaining focus and not turning it into a battle of beliefs, lest you risk sounding like an opinionated fool.

reply to post by stumason


Again, please don't mistake the gypsy mother with a romanian, gypsy is something, romanian is another.By the way, did you know that a lot of these "romanian" gypsies don`t even have romanian papers?Guess not.
Anyway, the point was not to generalize because this country already has it pretty bad, so any bad allegations just make it worse because not only are we called beggars, robbers, gypsies, now we become the nation of underage mothers.

ATS is based on correct information, or am I wrong?Deny ignorance, it`s not a matter of nationalism, as it is a matter of correct info.

And about rural areas, I agree, they aren't developed properly, but it`s a long shot from that to what you stated before.On the other hand, this is somewhat of a good thing; just think what would you eat if everyone was a banker/lawyer/other urban jobs.

reply to post by jexmo


WOW, I am flabbergasted at all of the extremely liberal views. What next porn featuring 10-11 year old girls and boys is justified because its the childs decision? So we should just let a child eat as much candy and food as they want? There is a breaking point where humans need to o what is right and put a stop to the sillyness in the world. I think the U.S. has alot of things right in respect to what a child deserves and needs, so we need to follow that and not move backwards. BLa bla bla yea I know that in the days of Edgar Allen Poe 13 year old girls married 30 year old men, but who cares. Churches used to burn people for being witches or thinking the earth was round, but you know what we grow, learn, and develope morals and laws.

reply to post by jexmo


I agree it is too young.... some people would disagree with my verdict but i just think a 10 year old knows nothing about parenthood coz lets face it, she is now a parent at 10, still going to school herself with no knowledge of what is out there in the big bad world....

I hope her parents will help her out in this situation or sorry to say give the baby up for adoption to a couple who are much more wiser....

reply to post by stumason


The thing is, while it might be unfair to judge other cultures by one's own standards, let's not forget that these people live, by birth or by choice, in cultures where such a thing as 10 year old giving birth is NOT a good thing. I'm not an "assimilate or get out of here" type of person, but in this case, it's for their own good.

Preserving things like language, religion, clothing, music, art is one thing. Preserving customs that belong in the dark ages and that force children to give up their childhood and education in order to produce more doomed offspring is another. It just perpetuates this fate of the Roma people of living in a niche at the margin of society, never really wanted anywhere. For this I also blame the politics in my country a lot, but that's a different story.

Most likely that child won't have a good life, and his mother won't either. I hope that's not the case, but let's face it, the majority of Roma children from Eastern Europe that end up in Spain or France or wherever also end up begging or being used as begging props if they're too young, or even stealing for a living. An education is out of the question and so is their chance for a better life. That is the sad truth.

Oh and just to make it clear: I doubt that giving birth at 10 is common or condoned even within traditional Roma communities. I, in any case, never heard of it before.

I am going to jump on the "this-is-whack" bandwagon

Maybe she did want to have sex. Maybe her parents don't care who or what she does. I still don't think she is by an means ready to be having children, no matter how skewed her or her parents morals are.

She may think a baby is what she wants now... how many little girls carry around baby doll's to act like their mom's, but what happens when she is 13 or 16 and realizes she wants a normal life. In reality most young girls seem to idolize their mothers and want a baby of their own... But when play time is over they are still just children at the end of the day.

Sorry but in my opinion she may have given life but she also lost a portion of hers, unfortunately she lost the best days of her life.

God how I miss the freedom and carelessness of childhood, I guess she will never know what she missed

GummB

In nine pages of posting, I'm still waiting for someone to purpose we vote her family off the planet. You know, set up a 1-900 number. Text only cost $0.99 each! Vote now! Watch them at tribal council while they're put on a space ship and shot into space. Cheer and get that warm fuzzy feeling in your stomach that you helped fix this injustice.

Q) Does this affect me and you?
A) No, it has no bearing on your or my way of life.

Q) Is anyone asking you to consider this OK and normal?
A) No, again..

Q) Will jumping up and down on forums change anything pertaining to this person's circumstances?
A) What part of "no" don't you people get?....

Q) Are there better, more personal and imminent issues to devote your time to?
A) YES

I wonder how many people are sitting here complaining while their kids are in the other room trying to stick a paper clip in the electrical outlet.... Get what I'm saying?

Originally posted by PayMeh
In nine pages of posting, I'm still waiting for someone to purpose we vote her family off the planet. You know, set up a 1-900 number. Text only cost $0.99 each! Vote now! Watch them at tribal council while they're put on a space ship and shot into space. Cheer and get that warm fuzzy feeling in your stomach that you helped fix this injustice.

Q) Does this affect me and you?
A) No, it has no bearing on your or my way of life.

Q) Is anyone asking you to consider this OK and normal?
A) No, again..

Q) Will jumping up and down on forums change anything pertaining to this person's circumstances?
A) What part of "no" don't you people get?....

Q) Are there better, more personal and imminent issues to devote your time to?
A) YES

I wonder how many people are sitting here complaining while their kids are in the other room trying to stick a paper clip in the electrical outlet.... Get what I'm saying?

whats the point of this whole website then? is talking about 9/11, chemtrails, ufo's etc etc going to help anything? What will it change? I guess we just need to log off and leave right now bc it serves no purpose right? Its a website made for debating/discussing topics....Get what i'm saying?

This is totally unacceptable. I can't believe some of you are actually supporting the whole thing. Perhaps you are a child molester at heart? Just because she CAN reproduce doesn't mean that she SHOULD. There's a huge difference, ya know. If everybody has babies whenever they feel like it (which they already do) then the world would turn into chaos (which is already happening). We need to show some self-control.

reply to post by blair56


Ramifications coming from the reasons behind 9/11 affect me directly. Check

US politics affects me. Check

If aliens are planning on coming down and blasting holes in the earth, then it affects me. Check

A girl on the other side of the world gives birth does not affect me nor does it have any bearing on anyone else here unless you're a family member.

Hi. I'm new here. Been reading this site everyday for a long stretch but this post prompted me to join. While 10 is a bit young to have a child it must be kept in mind that children this young getting pregnant is still a very rare occurance in comparison to the rest. My SIL's mother had twins at the age of 12. Both babies turned into very beautiful and well adjusted women. I myself was a teen mother and am now raising five beautiful babies with my husband who is the father to all of them. My opinion is if they're not on welfare and the kids are raised to be healthy, happy, and good citizens then why should it matter what the age of the parents are? This is why Planned Parenthood, parental involvement, and ease of availability of birth control is in order. The girl's child is here now so nothing can be done at this point other than hoping she doesn't have another for a long time and that she has all she needs to care for it. All have a right to be shocked but no one has the right to tell someone that their offspring shouldn't be here or how to live their lives. Punishing the parents now would be a moot point.

Originally posted by PayMeh
reply to post by blair56

 

Ramifications coming from the reasons behind 9/11 affect me directly. Check

US politics affects me. Check

If aliens are planning on coming down and blasting holes in the earth, then it affects me. Check

A girl on the other side of the world gives birth does not affect me nor does it have any bearing on anyone else here unless you're a family member.

how have you been affected by 9/11? other than maybe waiting longer to get on a plane....

never said anything about the US politics but ok i guess you just wanted to throw in something random.

and have aliens attacked us? no. are they making plans to? no. discussions about ppl seeing ufo's, and videos of them don't affect you.

but then again why even reply to this? you have no business being on this thread as you've already mentioned. have a good day and be gone.

reply to post by blair56


My business here is to maybe, just maybe get people to stop and think about things. It's easy to get mad as hell about these things and ignore the things happening in the neighbor's house down the street.

9/11 does affect me if it was an inside job, as it would everyone here. If it happened the way they say it happen, then it has already affected those in active military duty.

My examples were those that canvased the broad range of topics here on ATS.

Another goal of mine here is to try and reign in topics such as this one that tend to lend people moral pedestals to sit atop while they preach. Sympathize with the victim, then move on to the topics you should really be concerned with.

reply to post by PayMeh


So tell me which topic i should go to next. I'm not supposed to be concerned with this one apparently so can I get a list of pre-approved topics? You seem to know what my concerns are better than i do.

reply to post by CosmicEgg


the fact you support that is just f***ed up. kids arent suppose to have kids, thier bodies arent even fully developed, and if evolution starts working things like that , eventaully we will have an unintellgent socitey, full of pedofiles.

To reproduce when the body is still in development, isnt right. Its just wrong, if we start reproducing this fast then we will be over populated before you know it.

Originally posted by Wyn Hawks

Originally posted by freakgenius
most girls don't even have their first period by the age of ten.

...most?... really?... what percentage is most?... those are rhetorical questions (iow, no answer required)...

...the females in my family (maternal and paternal sides) all hit puberty between 9 and 10 and thats going back seven generations with only the exception of two who had congenital issues that retarded their maturation... my family isnt exceptional in that regard... i've met too many other women whose history was the same...

The original poster must be right because the median age of first period in the united states is 12.5 years. Your family and the people you know do not constitute a statistical sample.

en.wikipedia.org...

-rrr

reply to post by rickyrrr


You do realize that average age means 1/2 of the occurrences happening before that age and half after right?

Earliest example of a woman reaching puberty recorded it at the age of 3.