Did that CUT hurt? How bout this one?

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower


Given that the military is by largest expense, it's where you can cut the most...and I agree with you on that.

But you wanna cut education??? Have you read the discussions about evolution lately? The last thing the US needs is an education system that's even worse than now. If you wanna make sure the US holds a top spot in business/science/technology in the world, you NEED a good education system. India's catching up fast, so is China and large parts of Asia...Europe already has a better education system than the US in many countries. Education is linked to employment. If you check who suffered the most unemployment, you'll realize it's the uneducated people. And you want to cut education and make sure there's more of those?? Are you insane?

Welfare (if not remove limit timeframe)
Food Stamps (same as above)
Unemployment (same as above)
Caveat - anyone on any of the above programs has to provide community service
Child Tax Credits (stop rewarding people for having kids!!!)

People WILL go out and work and survive, but not if the govt hands them checks.

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower


I have always been against the confiscatory income tax. Why should I be penalized for working? Why am I taxed on being a productive member of society! Think about it, before I get to spend any of the money I have earned by the fruits of my labor, at least 30% has been taken out in taxes. then, when I go to spend what money is left, I pay additional sales tax, taking more of my money just because I chose to spend it. I admit that taxes are necessary, but how many times should I be taxed on the money I earn?

I am 100% for the abolition of the income tax in favor of a national sales tax on "non-essentials" (food, clothing, residence, etc.). That way, I can choose whether or not I wish to pay it. To not pay the sales tax, all I would have to do is just save my money.

I think the only fair tax is a "use" tax. If you don't want to pay that tax, don't use that item.

I don't know...maybe that's just me...

want to make some real cuts try this NSA CIA FBI DOD DOJ NEA IRS limit the pay of all fed employees too 100,000 per term, yes term, now we have fed funded programs like ss, medicare,and housing, they too can go, no need to help the helpless, let them starve die get old and die lets take health care off the funding too, no flu shoots cant pay then die, now for our defenses, no need for the mil we will let china, Korea and other nations do what they want, no need for for NORAD, AF the USMC NAVY nor ARMY.

We have all ready got ride of the DOJ, no courts, no prisons, the tax man is gone so if you want to run for gov employment have your party pay you through donations, or do it for free. we will be to stoned, dead, or under a other country's control too care. let the people fend for them self, let the state take care of it self, would there be any states? or local system of gov, law, or ed with out the fed? would the states remain or would it be a free for all? if this is what you think is the right way to go then you need help.

For with out uncle sam we would not stand, yes some of it does need to go, but we the sheep can not, will not have a say, till we say enough and we have yet to say that, last night said that, yes some went but a lot stayed and them that stayed are the shot makes deal makers that say we will do, make. take and give you, like it or not! that is the way it is, we the people need to band together and say we want we need a true leader, will that day come when a nobody can be the pres with one thought on his her mind the good of the people, not the good of the gov, TPTB or personal gain. just a rant from an ant.

Ok, we need to reduce both the deficit and the debt burden we are under. Lets start with a couple of easy spots.

First we legalize Marijuana, place it under the same sort of controls that we now have for alcohol and tobacco, and tax it the same way. This does several things, new revenue stream, it creates jobs, reduces the prison population, allows LEO's to focus on more serious issues. Not to mention that hemp is a truly remarkable plant with many uses and is totally sustainable.

Second, we legalize prostitution, allow privately owned brothels to be built, maybe even a sort of red light district in each city, where they can compete side by side. This creates several revenue streams and it creates jobs, allows LEO's to focus on more serious issues. And possibly even cuts the welfare rolls, or at least reduces some of the fraud involved.

Fraud, waste, and abuse accounts for substantial parts of the federal budget, these need to be eliminated and the perpetrators punished severely, rather than slapped on the hand as they are now.

reply to post by MrXYZ


Where in the Constitution is federal funding of education authorized?

It isn't

Cut it, along with all other programs not authorized in Article 1 Section 8.

give all liberals a one way ticket to the socialist country of their choice

cut all walfare

food stamps

and aid programs

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower


im on board with those cuts

1 npr/pbs
2. nea
3. same as yours and reformation that money is spent more wisely
4 irs
5.epa
6 department of education including government school loans
7. all subsidies including farming
8. cut federal grants for global warming and junk science at least by 50%
9. cut nasa or absorb it into the air force.
10. there are number intelligence agencies that are redundent.

I would like to continue, but in the interest of saving space, I simply request you add 99% of these to your list.

www.usa.gov...

Edit to add: I didn't make it past the 'A' section before I was too disgusted to continue.

reply to post by diablosdemon


I know this, why do think I put the Federal Reserve on the list?

Great addition, but can you address any other cuts that can be made?

Due the ideas that have been presented, there is absolutely no reason for the federal government to exist, constitution be damned. If we shut down the fed, eliminate the IRS, and thus the revenue stream for the federal government, all of the responsibility is going to fall to the states, if they can even still exist. What most are calling for is complete and total anarchy with 50 separate countries with totally different laws.

What I envision with some of what is presented. This is a christian country, however we should allow people to be homeless and starving in the streets, in need of health care, and carrying weapons. I am not a christian, but have read the book, and I don't remember anything like this being described, old or new testament, maybe someone can explain.

reply to post by BubbaJoe


100% wrong.

The U.S. is NOT a christian nation.

reply to post by BigTimeCheater


I do not believe it to be either, however many in the tea party would disagree with us.

Wow, a moderate type posts something that actually makes some sense, no one comments. These neocons do not want any intelligent debate, they cannot compete, they want folks to follow blindly while they make the rich richer. But then again they are the anarchists who want bloodshed, I am thinking they are controlled by the rich, can anyone say the Koch brothers?

I'm not going to bother with the rest of that list but this part of the list really caught my eye:

Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
3-US Military reduce bases in foreign countries by 90%. Redeploy one half to the Mexican border area. And build requisite bases necessary to redeploy to this region. Redeploy our bases so that we are protecting the US sovereign area and not other countries. Project power, but not globally. Non interventionism is the key.

O'RLY?? You think the Republicans are interested in cutting down the military and foreign bases? My oh my they really made you forget about the previous administration didn't they? Or maybe you just purposefully forget?

This is the last thing to cut on the minds of Republicans. Even you shouldn't be that naive. I sure as heck hope you folks are sticking around on this forum till 2012. Don't go dissappearing now and making new membership names.

who do I owe a living to ? the obese baby factory down the street that has never worked a day in her life ? the drug adict ? the person that came into this country illegally ? or anyone one else that thinks every one else owes them anything ?

me and my family are not well off most of the time we live week to week but we do not live off otheres and to have to pay taxes that I know are going to support some able bodied person to set on there @ss and get fat?

Originally posted by links234
I wanted to point out that your thinking of national debt as opposed to trade deficit. America had a surplus in 2000, did this mean we didn't have a debt? No, we've always* had a debt.

Incorrect. There was no surplus in 2000, although progressives tend to point to this as an example of fiscal responsibility on their part, they may want to look at how this was actually achieved. I'll give you 2 hints. Separate balance sheets at the GAO, and Social Security.

Originally posted by links234
I don't understand why you want to make all these cuts, especially to places as important as education. Why is it whenever someone says 'cut', people immediately look to education?

Cutting government intrusion into education would be boon for the system. Or are you one of those people that believe no-child left behind was a good thing?

Originally posted by links234

Probably the most mainstream programming you'll ever get deserves to be cut...because private corporations (Fox and MSNBC) do a better job?

They don't take public money to operate.....

Originally posted by links234
What's wrong with art and self expression? Should a nation, a people, an intelligent species opress, ignore and deny free thought, will and ideas from creativity?

Taxpayer dollars do not create free thoughts, nor does it inspire creativity. How was the artistic community doing in Soviet Russia?

Originally posted by links234

How would this make America any better? How would this make the remaining 10% of forces any safer in dangerous areas like South Korea and other 'undisclosed' locations? Our diplomatic promises to other nations are just thrown out the window because we changed our minds?

Because it is not our country, you wanna guard South Korea? Go ahead.

Originally posted by links234
This is somehow unconstitutional in your eyes, so we just cut the whole thing out.

Because I exchanged my labor for a living wage. The government doesn't own that.

Originally posted by links234
Cut the Federal Reserve in order to do what exactly? Isn't it a grouping of private businesses? Wouldn't that be somewhat totalitarian of us to say that only this select group of businesses be not allowed to operate?

The Federal Reserve is a private bank yes. But it has a government enforced monopoly over the production of money, and the level of interest rates. Try using your own means of exchange and watch what happens to you.

Originally posted by links234
The National Education Association isn't even part of the federal government...it's a union that represents public school teachers. So we should just start union bashing then? Is that a cut to the government or to the people?

Public Unions are BS. Half the people paying into public employee retirement accounts aren't public employees, and they can't even afford their own retirement. Tell me that not morally bankrupt. Forcing a person to pay for a teachers retirement when he can't even pay for his own? Unions are crap..

7-Administration Conference of the United States

Originally posted by links234

This is something you want to cut? Really?! You have so many complaints against the government that when presented with something even resembling a betterment of its operations you have an issue with it. Unbelievable.

You are the guy that hires a consultant at the rate of $500,000 a day to figure out why your company is loosing money.

No more federal cops or CIA, or other spy agencies that have unregulated and unreported income.

No more federal prisons or private prisons paid for with my tax dollars stealin my money to make cons comfortable.

No more farm subsidies for not growing crops to regulate the market.

No more aid to Israel or any other country that chumps us out

No more Dept. of Homeland security or other fat cop wanna be's

No more FAA, let um crash if they can't fly right

No more tax money to keep the world wide web up that mostly porn.

No more FDA or meat inspectors, it's not in the constitution

And most of all No more federally funded disease research especially for cancer. Quit smokin

If we don't need education, we don't need any pointy headed intellectuals researching anything

The States can take care of all of their own stuff...you betcha!

Palin/Beck..........2012

Great thread endisnigh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

S&F

Originally posted by woodwardjnr

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by saltheart foamfollower

 

The US has a massive deficit and doesn't seem to want to deal with it. Here in the UK we are having the biggest cuts since the 2nd world war. The politicians tagline is " we are all in this together ". except the cuts here are targeting the poor and middle class's while leaving the rich free. The bankers will contribute least to paying back the deficit, which says it all really.

I will be interested to see how the US approaches it's deficit and what services get cut.

We are "all in it" when the income tax reaches 90% on the rich. Until that point I will continue on with the belief, recessions are only for the workers not for the rich.

Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
Mainstream, really. Is that what you are going with? Can you tell me where the Constitution states we should be funding the press? Just wondering what authorizes it. You know I am one of those sticklers about the law.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I could also ask you where in the constitutition we're prohibited from funding the press? I could argue that having an organization such as NPR, not only ensures a free press and free speech, but encourages it.

Nothing wrong with art, there is a problem with the government deciding what is art and funding it. Again, Constitutional authority? Point me to it.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I would argue that public funding of art is directly promoting the general welfare of the nation. In addition to ensuring and encouraging free speech, as stated in the first amendment.

Diplomatic promises? Really now. So the US has to fund the protection of the world. Again, Constitutional authority?

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

I could argue the defense of our allies is contributing to our common defense and securing our blessings of liberty.

I never said pull out completely. I said to leave 10% in strategic locations for projection of power.

What if this is insufficient to our common defense? The federal government could be directly violating the constitution if such an action were made.

As for changing our minds, well hell yes. They want us to protect them, they can hire us a mercenaries. How bout that for a free market idea?

America is just a nation of hired thugs, not the great defenders of freedom and tranquility that Jefferson envisioned us as, that Roosevelt made us. Wonderful.

There was a fundamental law that has been completely destroyed by taxation on labor. Income derived by the trade of one's labor for money is not profit.

So the accumulation of wealth is a necessity to survival and freedom? Could one possibly live without money? If that were the case than any income is automatically profit.

That of course, does leave open the whole 'taxable income' equation to be looked over. You didn't really think you were being taxed on ALL of your income, did you?

This is to big to get into. I suggest you give mnemeth a U2U and have him explain it. Me, I will just say fiat currency and fractional reserve banking steals more from the people than anything else in government. Think, who cares who writes the laws if I control the currency. Paraphrased.

I've already wrote him off as delusional, arguing with a wall really...I still hold onto some hope for you though.

Sorry, I meant the Education Administration. Not in the Constitution and is in the purview of the states.

I won't nitpick as I did before and just assume you're referring to the Department of Education.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

National education program of any kind is directly acting in accordance with the promotion of the general welfare, indeed, ensuring a free people by giving them the skills and abilities to determine their best capabilities.

How many redundant systems do you need in the darn government? Hell, why not have 15,000 different agencies watching each other. This was shut down and now open again. I could name an agency something nice and dump money into it also, does not mean anything.

In a system as broken as it appears every day on the news channels, we need as many as it takes.

Sorry, do you really want to destroy the US? Just wondering.

Not nearly as much as you do. I'm really just trying to make a better country, not decimate the population with needless cuts to important areas that are fully within the purview of the constitutition if you ever bothered reading anything more than the second amendment.