American Doom!, page 3

reply to post by Zanti Misfit

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Believe me, if the Tea party came out when Bush was killing human beings and denounced that, I would be all for them, in-fact of all the Tea Partiers, I have respect for RON PAUL because he denounced the Iraq war.

I think the Tea party is not unique. Ross Perot had the same views in 92 when he ran against Bush and Clinton and got 19 percent of the vote.

I don’t hate the Tea Party, I am just suspicious of them because of who they associate with [ Sarah Palin] and that they are financed by rich selfish interests.

In-fact I don’t like paying taxes either, and think we should become fiscally responsible

reply to post by inforeal

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Not to interrupt your discussion with another member, but ALL POLITICIANS HAVE SPECIAL INTEREST MONEY! It's not just one side!

In fact, that is one reason the Tea Party was originally formed. It was attempt to step away from big-money party platforms and corporate lobbyists.

reply to post by inforeal

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I think you may have it backwards...(maybe not)

I think Palin attached herself to it

I think the tea party has been perverted and lost its charm as well...

P.S. I consider myself a "Jeffersonian Libertarian" (just in case ive confused anyone)

reply to post by skischoow

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Nothing personal . . .though perhaps we should attach ourselves to high ideals, and not geographic areas, for that area certainly has the good things you mention, but also the things of the past like lynchings, burnings, and vicious racism.

I am happy that the south has changed for the better

reply to post by BingeBob

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The Tea part philosophy is nothing new, Ross Perot had the exact same ideals, but didn't attach himself to the republican party.

With all due respect don't you folks know the history of your own country?

reply to post by inforeal

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there is a difference between being "suspicious" and making blatant accusations as you have here. You have absolutely no proof in anytihng you have written..

And then to try and drive your point across you start talking in all caps, then say your not emotional over it.

What i see here is an emotional outburst with absolutely nothing to support your claims....

As the libs told everyone when Obama got elected, the majority have spoken get over it.....

Were tired of the socialist policies and general disregard for the American people and the state of the US that this man and his party have been displaying....

We were fed up with Bushs policies and were fed up with his continuation of them and the new , even more damaging ones, that he continues to jam down the throats of Americans.........

Lets just hope that the Tea Party does its job and keeps holding peoples feet to the fire, Republicans and Democrats......

reply to post by inforeal

Sorry, but it sounds more like 'clear-headed ignorance' on this end... from your OP...

The American electorate will tonight likely vote against their own interest and elect the anti-human Republican conservative Tea Party candidates—who ONLY care about rich people—to at least rule over the House and likely the Senate also [ God forbid].

Obama raised cigarette taxes a few thousand percent right after he took office. Studies show that most smokers are poor. So a DEMOCRAT raised taxes on the poor...

Obama supported the bailout of AIG, BoA, GM, and Chrysler. To be fair, so did many Republicans.

This will likely be the end of any kind of progress for the American civilization that will be buried in right-wing dogma of the likes of the absolute knave and ignoramus Sarah Palin and the party of conservatives WHO WILL WITHOUT A DOUBT BRING THE COUNTRY TO RUIN!

Obama has already driven the country deeper into debt in two years than Bush (who was, yes, a spendthrift) did in eight.

Regardless of the outcome of tonight's elections, the Republicans will not have absolute power for at least two years; Obama is a sitting Democrat President and retains veto power over the Congress.

This is inevitable because these bigoted people of the Republican conservative tea party have absolutely no ideas on how to run a modern civilized diverse society of 300 million people.

Excuse me? Does that mean their ideas differ from yours and are therefore evil somehow? Are you the arbitor of what is good or bad for me?

Perhaps that very attitude is the reason for the political shift taking place tonight.

But this little nugget is why I decided to post here:

Some of you people who are too young don’t know that the South use to be democratic. . . . Until Lyndon Johnson passed civil right acts in the 60’s.
You know things like letting black people have equal access to housing, education, water fountains, and things like that. GUESS WHAT HAPPENED?


The democratic South turned Republican in droves [ and has remained Republican ever since] just because they were giving the descendents of slaves equal rights. Primarily this is the case because they DON’T WANT TO GIVE ANY MONEY TO NON WHITE PEOPLE!
It’s got nothing to do with fiscal responsible government. THEY WERE NOT SAYING ANYTHING
[ THE HYPOCRITICAL TEA PARTY] WHEN OUR MONEY WAS GOING TO KILLING BROWN IRAQIS!


Now today the sons and daughters of those southern bigots who hate anything non white still today are the backbone of the reactionary Republican party.

George Wallace, the man who stood in front of the Alabama Capitol and stated that there would never be integrated schools in Alabama, was a Democrat. He retained the governorship for many years after Johnson was a footnote in history (and after segregation was declared illegal).

The change to Republican has not come overnight, but slowly, as a result of the Democratic party itself changing its stance on many different issues. Yes, among those are the issue of giving tax money to those who will not work for a living. Why should I work hard to support those who will not do likewise, but rather prefer to live in squalor, resort to crime and drugs, and generally take from society without ever a thought of giving back?

Quick answer: I shouldn't.

You might find it interesting to note that Democrats still hold an advantage here in local elections. As of this election, the state is moving Republican, but almost all the local offices are controlled by the Democratic party. Alabama is Republican in Federal elections only.

As for Southern bigotry... buddy, I drove a truck OTR for eight years. I have been all over this country. If you want to hear and see evidence of racism and bigotry, don't bother coming down here... go to the Northeast, or any Midwest large city (Chicago)... you'll find it everywhere you look.

You just won't find it much down here. What you'll find is a people who are, for the most part, still hard-working, independent, and who believe in fairness and equality. Maybe you're mistaking that for bigotry?

I bet you still think the Civil War was over slavery, too.

TheRedneck

reply to post by warpcrafter

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I can agree with that, though we have no proof of it. Indeed I don't like the con-man Obama.

I believe he is a puppet of wall street, and a dececiever.

reply to post by ManBehindTheMask

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You have not refuted anything I posted.

I could come up with hundreds of examples of racism of some Tea party groups. Where have you been?

Anyway deal with the issues I raise precisely

Outsourcing
taxes for the rich
supreme court saying corporations are people

reply to post by TheRedneck

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Of course not all southerners are racists.

Many of them reject the ethnocentric pride of white supremacy—good for them.

I myself love all people whatever their race or religion. I have worked and paid taxes over thirty years and HAVE NEVER BEEN ON WELFARE, and live with white people, brown people, black people, yellow people and am proud to have many people of all kinds amongst my friends in the great country of America.

I just seek to make it better, and don’t like seeing the rich be the only ones enjoying life.

I want your children and mine to live in a country where everyone has access to health care, education, freedom and happiness, not just the select few, who just so happen to love the Republican party.

reply to post by inforeal

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You are the one making the claims, the burden of proof is on you!

Really instances of racism by the Tea Party? Please do provide proof, ive seen many many videos of people who were racist trying to join the TP rallies being outed and shunned....please provide proof...

1. Outsourcing- well if the liberal agenda wasnt to tax the rich so much that they have no choice but to take their business elsewhere so that they can keep operating maybe that wouldnt happen?

How bout incentive to stay stateside instead of robbing them blind because they are "rich" . If someone was taking a huge chunk of my money that i was earning in one city, i would take my business to a different city too, thats just smart business.

2. once again , taxes for the rich, you cant tax people so much that they cant afford to operate, and I dont know about you, but ive never gotten a job from a poor man.......

3.Supreme court and saying they are people- have you even been watchign what Obama is doing in allotting huge amounts of money to Unions? How about the Bank Bail outs, Freddy and Fannie ? All the Dems who were saying the whole time that "Freddie and Fannie were fine and no one was in danger"

you need to do your research on all the pet projects of the liberals sitting up there on capital hill and all the lil ear marks they slip into bills, and how much more they enable the "evil rich" that you seem to be so against.....

This administration has done JUST as much to enable crooked and corrupt business practices as any other, if not more.

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by ManBehindTheMask

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You have not refuted anything I posted.

I could come up with hundreds of examples of racism of some Tea party groups. Where have you been?

Anyway deal with the issues I raise precisely

Outsourcing
taxes for the rich
supreme court saying corporations are people

Could you come up with factual cases? Probably very few if any at all...

What kind of legislation has been introduced by lefty's that hasnt had some ludacrous spending attached in a footnote somewhere in the thousands of pages?

When you say that republicans have voted for outsourcing what are you talking about? Did they vote against a bill that democrats brought up that said
"OUTSOURCING IS BAD andwewant300billiondollarsforsyringesforcrackheads"

reply to post by inforeal

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With all due respect OP, your opening statement sounds a heck of a lot like a rant? So, you let off some steam about these Tea Party candidates gaining a significant footing in the House, and an increased position in the Senate. Now that you have done that, do you feel relieved, and is America now on he path to recovery? Your opinion seems like you are painting the entire movement with one broad stroke about how they are against social progress, cads for corporate interests, right wingers, quasi Fascists, and war mongers. This group has not even taken power, and you are already up in arms over their potential victory? Election results are still coming in and it will take time before we know how much pull they are going to have. In the meantime, take a breather and let the chips fall where they may.

You mentioned America is doomed? It would appear that is the fact, poor fiscal policies, costly and unpopular wars, an ever increasing influence of private interests in Washington, phenomenally expensive entitlement programs, and other failures of governance is why America is doomed. The problem stems from poor decision making by both sides of the isle. This Tea Party has not done anything in terms of legislation or governance, and they can't be faulted for America's failure of potential demise. Now, have they said some unpopular statements or ruffled feathers of people in the opposition? Yes, but the Democrats have done things and have said things that have ruffled their feathers. Take a chill pill and relax. It is still early and this group can either make things better, or continue to exasperate the problem even further. We shall see? The great thing about it is that when the election cycle comes around again, they can be voted out.

reply to post by inforeal

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Both Republicans and Democrats have waged war and used your tax money to build weapons of mass destruction. The last 3 Republicans have been expecially bad, true, but Democrats have done plenty of evil things as well.

reply to post by PayMeh

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I didnt only deal with race. I think it is race that is all you see, not me.

reply to post by inforeal

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If only we could return to the Clinton years, huh?

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