TEA Party and GOP apparently very weak little entities that need to be put down?

I keep reading posts on ATS about how you cannot blame the TEA party for what it is today because it is no longer what it originally was meant to be. Apparently it has been hijacked by the Neocons. OK, I can buy that. Now I am reading posts about how the GOP cannot be blamed for what it is today, because it has been hijacked by Neocons. OK, I can buy that. I have also leared from reading ATS that Neocons are actually progressives so apparently the Democratic party is progressives. The GOP has been hijacked by progressives. The TEA Party has been hijacked by progressives.

So my question is, what good are either of these parties if they are so weak and easily hijacked by such opposing ideals?

So my question is, what good are either of these parties if they are so weak and easily hijacked by such opposing ideals?

Well I cannot defend the Tea Party but I can defend the GOP as I know for a fact is was formerly a great party with great Americans in it. Proudly espousing the ideals of the founders based on Non-Interventionism, Patriotism, Justice, Liberty, Freedom, Life, and Property. I believe those things are not weak and a party which believes in such principles is a party worth fighting to restore.

Just because something has infected the party does not mean we should ‘put it down’. Would you endorse ending a person’s life because it is apparently weak enough to have developed an infection? I know they are not the same things but the message is the same. We must defend what is right and that is what I shall always do.

These Neocon Marxists must be stopped and the real GOP must be restored. The GOP before Reagan and the two Bushes.

reply to post by Curiousisall


Any movement that starts at the root with a real belief will be diluted by the political vultures and commercialism that swarm to the potential votes.

It happens on all sides of the fence and it sucks.

Originally posted by Curiousisall
I keep reading posts on ATS about how you cannot blame the TEA party for what it is today because it is no longer what it originally was meant to be. Apparently it has been hijacked by the Neocons. OK, I can buy that. Now I am reading posts about how the GOP cannot be blamed for what it is today, because it has been hijacked by Neocons. OK, I can buy that. I have also leared from reading ATS that Neocons are actually progressives so apparently the Democratic party is progressives. The GOP has been hijacked by progressives. The TEA Party has been hijacked by progressives.

So my question is, what good are either of these parties if they are so weak and easily hijacked by such opposing ideals?

Well, let us go over your supposition. I am first going to give you some examples.

Scozzafava a RINO (Republican in Name Only) sees that the conservative independent is going to win, so she drops out and endorses the SUPPOSED enemy Democrat.

Crist drops out of Republican primary seeing he is going to lose and enters as Independent when he sees the conservative Rubio is going to win.

Murkowski beaten in primary asks to run in Libertarian ticket, told no, runs as a write in.

10 Republican RINOs or wishy washy statist incumbents are beaten in Republican primaries. The Republican party apparatchik gets all huffy and does not endorse or tells the people that they are idiots for putting in conservatives because they do not have a chance.

The Dems and the Repubs work together to both smear these candidates and others of the conservative/libertarian component of the party and not of the party. Also the Repubs have even come out and said they are going to co opt these people.

All in all, I know of about 35 truly conservative people running in this election. Many of them are black individuals. Have YOU seen any of them covered in the MSM? No, who have you seen? Oh, that would be the weakest ones running. The ones that the Repubs and the Dems have been smearing with every breath they have. Attempting to paint these people as the entire group. This is their modus operandi.

Their basically is nothing different between the entrenched party apparatchik. There are exceptions to this rule, but few and far between.

The MSM calls the conservative/libertarians as extreme, not even mentioning how EXTREME those are in the government now.

I mean, $5 Trillion in debt in 4 years, is that not EXTREME?

How about these people talking about the very things we HAVE TO address. Like SS, Medicare, the Military, etc etc etc. What do we here from the media? Oh, that these extreme candidates are going to cancel these things. Hmmm? How do you cancel something when there is NO FUNDS THERE.

Maybe we should actually talk about these things. But no, the government does not want to.

They only want to fling feces like monkeys.

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower


Nice of you to come and back up my point. I knew eventually you would agree with me on something. Thanks for your support.

reply to post by Misoir


I hate to say it but "Proudly espousing the ideals of the founders based on Non-Interventionism, Patriotism, Justice, Liberty, Freedom, Life, and Property." Has not been a part of the American way since America changed from being partners with the French to being partners with the English. I think that would of been some where between The Statue of Liberty and World War One.

reply to post by JBA2848


Actually this was especially espoused during the Inter-war period for the Republican Party between WW1 and WW2. Also known as the 'Old Right' whos torch bearers are Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan.

reply to post by Curiousisall


Oh, you think the Tea Party is dead or co opted?

Where did you hear that? From the MSM?

I do a little trend research using articles online. I basically use a mathematical model based on flags or recommends at about 10 sites. I do this to get ideas for articles and for my own amusement.

If the GOP or the Dems think that the Tea Party movement is co opted or deminishing, they have a rude awakening coming.

When you attempt to control chaos, it only gets worse. It is an entropic mathematical model. The center cannot be held so to speak.

Like I have been saying, Got Gold, Got Truth, Got TEA? The next couple years are going to be verdy verdy interrressting.

Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
reply to post by Curiousisall

 

Oh, you think the Tea Party is dead or co opted?

Where did you hear that? From the MSM?

No. Actually I heard it from Ron Paul. I also read it on a daily basis on ATS from people claiming to have been in the movement from or at the beginning. I suppose you are going to speak for them? The self proclaimed founder of the Tea Party, Tea Party folks on ATS, and Ron Paul all say it has been hijacked. Sorry I did not cite Kieth Olberman like you were hoping.

I do a little trend research using articles online. I basically use a mathematical model based on flags or recommends at about 10 sites. I do this to get ideas for articles and for my own amusement.

I am not really sure what you are getting at. Seems you left something out of the above.

If the GOP or the Dems think that the Tea Party movement is co opted or deminishing, they have a rude awakening coming.

Maybe this is the wrong thread for you then. I am only going on what I hear from the Tea Party itself, not the GOP or the Dems.

When you attempt to control chaos, it only gets worse. It is an entropic mathematical model. The center cannot be held so to speak.

Like I have been saying, Got Gold, Got Truth, Got TEA? The next couple years are going to be verdy verdy interrressting.

Well all I can say is enjoy eating your gold while reading your word of the day calendar. Other than that I am not sure your post actually says anything. Sorry.

reply to post by Curiousisall


Are you trying to convince me or yourself?

You are quite the "Agent Provocateur"

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower


Maybe you need to stop making rant threads every five minutes and look around instead of writing so much. Here is a thread that just caught my eye.

GOP Taken Hostage by NEO CONS

If you, as two different members of ATS, spend half as much time here as your login suggests then you know damn well that there is no shortage of people claiming the GOP and the TEA Party have been hijacked, taken over, and now taken hostage. Stop telling me I am making it up and maybe go tell the author of that thread that his thread does not exist because I just made it up.

The problem is that the "tea party" doesn't exist to begin with. There is no central leadership, no real cohesion. One could call that a disadvantage - but it's the silver-bullet to such a polarized two-party system. There are no candidates to undermine in elections/primaries, no leadership to crumble - just a bunch of people wanting to shrink the government and demanding action from their representatives.

It's not a voting revolution - it's a political revolution. It didn't start with the ballot box, and it won't end with the ballot box. It won't end because "it has been hijacked" - you can't hijack the "tea party" as no one is really driving to begin with.

It's completely amorphous as to be futile to fight or struggle against - like trying to beat back water with a stick. The candidates elected or not elected are of little consequence to the movement - the same things will be demanded of the office of representation regardless of who seats it.

Either the Democrats/Republicans deliver (which I do not see happening), or third parties start to take house and senate seats. I doubt a third party could challenge the presidency for a long time to come (mostly because third parties would be regional - the western regions would have different third parties in power than the midwest and north-east) - but we would see the house and senate go from a polarized two-party system to two core parties and regional fractured third parties.

I give about six years before that really starts to take shape. Maybe more, maybe less - but I don't really see it plausible within two election cycles. Even at three - we would only see the rise in third party attention, claiming a few seats - nothing big - but enough to indicate the change in American political climate.

I believe we are seeing the beginning of the end of our two party system. While democrats and republicans will remain very strong parties - they have both become massive entities that now spend most of their resources on the survival and upkeep of the party/entity. The voting population is demanding changes that amount to cutting off the party's nose to spite its face. It is only going to happen with the rise of third parties - and the American people are no longer expecting to see candidates in office, they are expecting to see results. This fundamental change in voter perspective is what the "tea party" is about. Even if people claim to have 'left the tea party' - they still hold true to the values and still expect results.

Originally posted by Aim64C
The problem is that the "tea party" doesn't exist to begin with. There is no central leadership, no real cohesion. One could call that a disadvantage - but it's the silver-bullet to such a polarized two-party system. There are no candidates to undermine in elections/primaries, no leadership to crumble - just a bunch of people wanting to shrink the government and demanding action from their representatives.

I am curious.

How does one deny the existence of something and then proceed to describe it?

reply to post by Curiousisall


I am curious how you fail to understand such a basic concept of realistic duality.

There is no real "tea 'party'" - it's like the "liberal agenda" - there is none. There is, however, a general direction 'liberals' are taking, and a number of policies they are prone to supporting. Similarly - the "tea party" is a rallying phrase or concept that is synonymous with politically conservative individuals (anti-federalists).

There is a movement. It is not, however, a centrally organized party that can be defeated by strategic targeting of key 'leaders.' The 'tea party' is the manifestation of politically conservative ideals. You have to understand the "tea partier" to understand the "tea party" and what I'm talking about.

So long as you look at the "tea party" as a party, or as an isolated phenomena, you will never really understand the next several years, and be unnecessarily angry about what is going to happen.