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This is so true. They are nothing but cowards hiding behind their masks. Have you seen a picture of Zarqawi without his beard and "headress"? He looks like a pathetic school teacher. (No offense to teachers!) He only is a "man" when he holds an innocent, helpless person and has a sword or gun and his MASK! COWARD!!!!
Originally posted by SIRR1[/i
You, on the other hand, are nothing but a bunch of women. If you were men you would show your faces, and take us on in a fair fight. Instead, you are cowards who hide behind masks and decapitate helpless victims.
Originally posted by SIRR1
You, on the other hand, are nothing but a bunch of women. If you were men you would show your faces, and take us on in a fair fight.
Originally posted by DirkPitt2004
My father fought in Korea.
I have friends who were in Granada, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.
Too true that we are a soft country.
And our borders are so indefensible.
I just hope that one day, before it is too late, we decide to remove all the freebies we extend to foreign "students" that we will not even provide our own citizens, just to see them here at school in the U.S. cheering to pictures of 9-11, as we pay for their housing, schooling, and business start-ups.
When the plans were discovered that illustrated there were attacks planned for California and other sites as well on 9-11, I could'nt help but wonder how views in the "Far Left State" would have changed had these people lost loved ones also.
Originally posted by Jamuhn
What makes people soft in this country? That they have nice things like most other people. That they don't want to see people die needlessly (prove to me Saddam was a direct and immediate threat to the US)?
Well, you know what, someone who is soft wouldn't say a word. These people actually have the balls to stand and tell you straight to your face, "I do not believe in this war"
This brings us to the justification of the Iraq war. Saddam didn't need to be a direct threat to America. That's a pretty tall order to fill. Who can be a direct threat to the most powerful nation on Earth? Saddam was a POTENTIAL threat, and he was LOOKING for ways TO BECOME a threat. He was a direct threat to Kuwait, to the Kurdish people, To the Shi'ites, To Israel. He was a plague on his people- For his sake they starved and stagnated, because his government could not be trusted with money! Who favored Saddam? Bin Laden didn't. The majority of Iraq didn't. Kuwaitis didn't. Most governments in the region, save for the Ba'ath regime in Syria, didn't. Those who wished to do legitimate business with Iraq didn't. But Germany, France, and Russia DID. The UN, which is increasingly becoming exposed for massive corruption, DID. Only those who were involved in illegal and immoral deals which deprived the Iraqi people of the revenue from their own oil were in support of Sadam. No strong person, who is willing to forsake the ease and comfort of peace and profit for the JUSTICE of restoring Iraq's wealth to its people and removing this threat from the world, could fail to see the merits of the war in Iraq. No soft person could fail to prefer peace, and continued profit through corruption.
The war on Iraq IS NOT pure. There have been coverups of great wrongs, including US and Soviet arms dealing from the cold war, US and Soviet involvement in the Iraq-Iran war, secret conflicts of interest and injust awarding of contracts especially involving Dick Cheney, botched planning, and errors in judgement, among others. These things are open to criticism, and hopefully subject to justice- Especially that Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld should be removed from their offices. These facts are not, however, a valid arguement against the removal of Saddam itself.
A soft person would say MANY words. Who, no matter how soft, would fail to speak up when their comfort was at stake? It is the stance they take that makes them soft. The fact that they take a stance at all does not mean they aren't soft, it simply means they aren't comatose.
That being said, these people DONT have the balls to make their case to my face. They look terrified, they accuse me of wanting to kill for pleasure, and they take their leave of me without offering an intelligent arguement. Believe me, I've tried to get a straight answer out of these people. If you want to embarrass a peace-nik, go up to him when he's in a group of 3 or less discussing this issue, and pin him down on the issue. He'll fall apart, and if his friends don't come to his rescue (which they probably won't) you'll never get an answer.
Originally posted by Jamuhn
That's not my point. My point is that there would not have been the support there was for war if we were told up front that Saddam was not a major threat.
What you are talking about is a totally different thing. Your reason is to bring stability to the Middle East.
My idealogy is not to rush into war so fast. We should have exhausted diplomatic relations and carried out special ops. We went in there with a full ground invasion and dropped bombs all over Iraq. There seems to be this great concern about not assinating dictators, but none for respecting the Geneva conventions. So anyway, I think we are on the same page about that.
They are either misguided, or don't believe enough in the cause to fight (or the Administration), or both.
It seems you are trying to portray soft people as having fear as well; I can tell you, there are a lot of peaceful (religious) people that aren't afraid of dying yet they would let you throw them around without fighting back.
So can you really argue that I'm about "regional security", when friends of mine (and for a time myself) were the ones who would be fighting for it, when it was not even important?
Yes, we are violating a treaty which is intended to ensure humane conduct between nations.
I observe that the soft segments of American society are not willing to give nor to gamble. They horde, because they seem to be afraid of adversity or disharmony of any kind. Let them be warned that we often lose what we love the most. Those who refuse to work may never retire. Those who refuse to fight may be murdered. Those who refuse risk loss can never collect winnings.
But that doesn't mean all the troops aren't misguided or don't believe in it. I don't know every single troop over there so I can't speak in generalities as you do.
Your assertion is that we should have gone over there to save these people, i.e.stability. OK, but I don't understand how you can call the people who don't believe in the war soft if they believe it simply is not our problem. Because after all, it is not our problem. But, recently we have been picking and choosing which genocides we wish to stop. Other genocides exist in the world by the way. Many of the people you consider soft would drop everything they are doing and fight in a heart beat if we were under attack.
All the banners I have seen saying God Bless Our Troops have another slogan on them. Freedom Isn't Free. What does this imply? That we are securing our own freedom. But in reality, as you say, we are going over there to free those people. How many people know this about the war? Yet, you wouldn't call them soft because they blindly follow your side.
Except not the one I'm talking about, taking out the dictators and administration and establishing stability with less forces. It's not like the CIA hasn't engineered coup d'etats in the past!
But all in all I am mad Bush is manipulating our fears from 9/11.
And oil, ok, so we need the oil, good justification, instead of paying for it, we steal it, nice. First you talk about helping out the Iraqi citizens, but then its ok to steal what's theirs. Oh, but they will get the oil pipelines back one day, oh, when is that, or will brown and root's Iraqi subsidiary manage it because Iraq won't nationalize it...
There you go generalizing again. I agree that there are too many SUV gas-guzzling drivers out there. But its just too easy to generalize people like you seem to be doing. The fact is, you go on your experiences and try to portray them as absolute truth, when in fact, they are far from it...
Originally posted by SIRR1
Corporal Wassef Ali Hassoun is not alone as he kneels before you. Every Marine who has ever worn the uniform is there with him, and when you strike him you are striking all of us.