Is Fact or Faked a cover up show?

I started watching faked or fact just because it looked interesting. I really enjoyed the first season so i was excited to watch the second season. Unfortunately, the first episode of this season did not impress me at all.

You can watch the episode for free here:
www.hulu.com...

If you skip to 31 minutes in, you will see the case that i am talking about. In this case, someone filmed a series of lights in a triangle formation flying across the sky at lightning speed. You could see the stars in the background and there was a commercial airliner for reference of speed.

They tried to debunk the video.

First, they tried to fly a kite with LED's. The wind was causing the kite to move erratically and it didnt resemble the picture.

Then, they tried an RC jet. This wasnt your run of hte mill RC jet, this was an actual military grade RC spy plane. It was loud and it was small and didnt resemble the video.

Finally, they hired a guy to fly a hang glider with LED's attached. In the video, it did look strikingly similar.

However, they did not even reference the stars in the background. They cut out the stars from the background completely, and showed a blank space. The original had stars as a reference point, but their own image blacked out the sky. They where "supposedly" using the same camera and equipment as the original film-maker, yet the stars where non-existent.

Here is the "comparison" photo:

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This is one of the "kite". As you can see, their camera can easily and clearly pick up the stars. This footage was all done in one night, so its safe to assume there was no cloud cover thick enough to obscure the view of the stars.

Here is the "final" photo comparison showing the original compared against the Hang glider with LED's:

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As you can clearly see, there are no stars in the background. The stars are very important, because they represent two things:
1) How fast the object is moving.
and
2) How high the object could be.

In my personal opinion, i find it hard to believe that a hang glider could move as quickly as it did in the first video. But more importantly, there was even a jet airliner used as a reference point, and you could clearly see the "hang glider" was flying ABOVE the jet. Damn, that guy has some guts!

Some things to note:
The lead investigator for the team is an ex FBI agent.
At the end of the segment he says, "Great job guys you really took care of it." To me, at least, it sounded like there was a problem and they fixed it.
If you ask me, the video couldn't be debunked that easily. Either someone higher up is silencing and forcing them to "debunk" like this. Or, they dont want to scare their viewers so they just thought that their explanation was "good enough."

reply to post by demonseed

Either someone higher up is silencing and forcing them to "debunk" like this. Or, they dont want to scare their viewers so they just thought that their explanation was "good enough."

Reminds me of here on ATS
J/K

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I never heard of that show ???


Where do I get it?

Originally posted by VenomVile.6
reply to post by demonseed

 

Either someone higher up is silencing and forcing them to "debunk" like this. Or, they dont want to scare their viewers so they just thought that their explanation was "good enough."

Reminds me of here on ATS

J/K

2 thumbs for you and a S&F

I never heard of that show ???


Where do I get it?

edit on 31-10-2010 by VenomVile.6 because: add

Its on the SyFy channel thursdays at 10 pm(pacific).

i dont think its a cover up show, i just think its a crap show that doesn't spend anywhere near enough time on any of the subjects and the people just don't seem clued up enough. it seems more designed as pure entertainment with trendy pretty girl/boy presenters.

personally i would prefer to see the mythbuster gang attack all these subjects! lol

thanks

rich

Sadly the footage is US only so a large chunk of us cannot make any comments.

A point to remember with these sort of show tho is that you will be presented with what will make best TV rather than what actually be true. This isn't to say its a dis info show, only that ratings are more important than facts so take them all with a pinch of salt.

It's kind of like Mythbusters, but with a less-concrete premise. At least on Mythbusters, it's usually one way or the other...

But, on this show, just because you CAN mimic something, doesn't mean that's how it was done. For example, with special effects, you can make it look like a building blows up, but that doesn't mean real buildings don't get blown up....

I don't think they have an agenda to debunk everything...they simply try and recreate it as if someone was trying to hoax. Doesn't mean their conclusions should carry any additional weight.

Originally posted by Gazrok
...they simply try and recreate it as if someone was trying to hoax. Doesn't mean their conclusions should carry any additional weight.

Well they dont actually try to prove or disprove something, they just see if there is a possible explanation for it.

The reason why i am so skeptical about this is because they took out the stars in the second photo.

There should be no reason to take the stars out unless you are trying to hide something.

Originally posted by Mclaneinc

Sadly the footage is US only so a large chunk of us cannot make any comments.

A point to remember with these sort of show tho is that you will be presented with what will make best TV rather than what actually be true. This isn't to say its a dis info show, only that ratings are more important than facts so take them all with a pinch of salt.

Well ill ask the same question, why where the stars taken out of the shot?

If you cannot view the video the screenshots should work. Just click the links.

I was just saying to my girlfriend tonight that this show is all about disinformation. Also if you notice most of the time they will pass up the really good cases and pick crappy ones.

I am also so tired of them showing their experiment videos and the dumb robotic girls say "It looks just like it!".
Then the other drones chime in and repeat what the person before them said. The episode that was on tonight (11-11-2010) really made me mad.

Mr. ex FBI has a cocky attitude and you can clearly tell he is all about disinformation.

Originally posted by VenomVile.6
reply to post by demonseed

 

Either someone higher up is silencing and forcing them to "debunk" like this. Or, they dont want to scare their viewers so they just thought that their explanation was "good enough."

Reminds me of here on ATS

J/K

2 thumbs for you and a S&F

I never heard of that show ???


Where do I get it?

edit on 31-10-2010 by VenomVile.6 because: add

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I agree with the OP about that case. They did NOT bother filming the glider with the same kind of night vision unlike the original. So they then raise their flag and declare "myth busted" of course. It did not come close to the speeds of that craft "black budget craft" if you ask me, The reenactment did not come even remotely close to the original footage. This is not the first time they have done this. Like the time they supposedly debunked the triangle footage by having a make shift triangle hang from the bottom of a helicopter. Of course this did not explain the silent audio and was not visibly the same.

What did it for me was the Cattle Mutilation episode where they blew up a balloon under some cowhide held down by wood strips until it ripped through and tore open the cowhide., of course it was treated leather not actual cattle cowhide. Claiming gasses cause the intricate precise mutilations of said cow. All this after standing around a veterinarian in some pasture attempting to cut the all ready dead cow carcass with several instruments to no avail. Then declared cattle Mutilation phenomena a bust, debunked ect.

After the FBI had done extensive investigation on Cattle Mutilation with no explanation, now a Sifi TV show consisting of the following is making such breakthroughs

* Ben Hansen – Team Leader/ FBI shill flunky
* Jael de Pardo – Journalist/ eye candy and Ben's puppet
* Bill Murphy – Lead Scientist/ not a real scientist
* Austin Porter – Stunt Expert / yes a stunt devil lol
* Chi-Lan Lieu – Photography Expert /not bad on the eyes but a total air head
* Larry Caughlan, Jr. – Effects Specialist / Hipster tool

I would not call it a cover up show, it is more like mere disinfo. They play both sides and bother with known hoaxes like Dr Reed who has been debunked a million times over by REAL experts. To the average misinformed person they will see a joke like Reed and take the entire UFO subject as just that. You might notice they will not bother going after the cases they do not know HOW to recreate and stamp as fake. They go after the slim pickings, the more obvious fakes and the ones they fail at debunking they do a half ass job.

Not far from one of these scripted reality shows where people think it is a reality show. When the sifi channel isn't making B rated CGI movies like "Megashark vs Giant Octopus" with washed up actors from the 80's, it is airing shows like Ghost Hunters a show where "did you see that... yes Grant i seen that there Ghost" around every corner and of course the camera man never sees what the TAPS team is seeing

hint


The credibility of sifi channel ahhh yes, Billy Ray Cyrus UFO Hunter coming soon

Nuff said

Originally posted by kcs7272
I was just saying to my girlfriend tonight that this show is all about disinformation. Also if you notice most of the time they will pass up the really good cases and pick crappy ones.

I am also so tired of them showing their experiment videos and the dumb robotic girls say "It looks just like it!".
Then the other drones chime in and repeat what the person before them said. The episode that was on tonight (11-11-2010) really made me mad.

Mr. ex FBI has a cocky attitude and you can clearly tell he is all about disinformation.

Ahhh you nailed it, you said it better than me. Those chicks are too hot to step outside the "it looks just like it" comments apparently.

Yeah i really find it odd the "EX FBI" claims that is. You know i ask myself why couldn't he hack it in the FBI? What is the back story there if there really is one or is he still FBI? As much as i do not care for Reed and have a good idea what he is he was not even relevant and was just chum in the water before the FOF cast fed on the leftovers. They did not bother with the Link artifact either. Then i noticed Ben Murphy played good cop bad cop. The episode was concluded with some supposed voice analysis "software" that looked so obviously fake i almost fell out of my chair.


This show is a bigger Joke then Reed that is what is so insane about it. This show even makes Debunkers and Skeptics look bad.

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier

Originally posted by kcs7272
I was just saying to my girlfriend tonight that this show is all about disinformation. Also if you notice most of the time they will pass up the really good cases and pick crappy ones.

I am also so tired of them showing their experiment videos and the dumb robotic girls say "It looks just like it!".
Then the other drones chime in and repeat what the person before them said. The episode that was on tonight (11-11-2010) really made me mad.

Mr. ex FBI has a cocky attitude and you can clearly tell he is all about disinformation.

Ahhh you nailed it, you said it better than me. Those chicks are too hot to step outside the "it looks just like it" comments apparently.

Yeah i really find it odd the "EX FBI" claims that is. You know i ask myself why couldn't he hack it in the FBI? What is the back story there if there really is one or is he still FBI? As much as i do not care for Reed and have a good idea what he is he was not even relevant and was just chum in the water before the FOF cast fed on the leftovers. They did not bother with the Link artifact either. Then i noticed Ben Murphy played good cop bad cop. The episode was concluded with some supposed voice analysis "software" that looked so obviously fake i almost fell out of my chair.


This show is a bigger Joke then Reed that is what is so insane about it. This show even makes Debunkers and Skeptics look bad.

edit on 12-11-2010 by Unknown Soldier because: (no reason given)

ya the last episode got even worse.

"OMg theres an animal chasing you chase it" "Oh look it wont close in on you"

"We have found a footprint twice the size of a human head, yet the scientist who analyzed it said that it was too small to be big foot."

Yes, im sure scientists have an exact measurement of big foot paws.

Then the reed case... which i have never heard of and found interesting. I was also wondering how that voice analysis software works, because lots of people have different ways of talking. Im sure multiple people will have something come out as "false" if they are put under pressure and told they are lying about something so big.

There's just too many bits and pieces of information missing. I know its suppose to be a show but you cant go after something so big with so little effort.

For your enjoyment:

forums.syfy.com...

Im not the only one. These forums are full of people complaining about the entire show.



As for ghost hunters, even though i am 90% sure its all fake.. i still watch it.. i dont know why. To me, it seems as if they thought it was all a joke at first, but as the show went on they realized some of it is real. I think tehy still fake some stuff but not all of it.

I like ghost adventures(i think.. the one on travel channel) a lot more. They dont have any extra cameras and just the three of them. Some of their reactions are so priceless that you cant see it being fake lol.

They are probably going to cancel fact or faked and say something like, "well people just didnt really like this kind of show."

When in reality, people would love that kind of show they just botched it really badly. if they took their time and actually did a thorough investigation with a thorough analysis it would be so much better. It doesnt even have to be "nerdy scientific", just a hell of a lot less idiotic than it is now.

I don't think it is a "cover-up" or "dis-info" show at all. To me, it is nothing more than a typical ridiculous SyFy channel show. They are all crap. Remember "UFO Hunters", lol. That one was just as bad.

Saying idiotic shows like "Fact or Faked" is a dis-info show because they "debunk" stuff is no different than saying ATS is a "disinfo" site because at first glance it makes us all out to be foolish, ignorant sheep.

The easiest way to hide or cover-up anything is to make those that are interested in something look foolish (thus no major mainstream attention). The conspiracy community does this to themselves FOR FREE!!!!! No need for the government to even bother orchestrating a super-secret, multi-tier program of thousands of clandestine agents pushing and prodding modern media in certain directions, lol.

Think about it, lol.

I really think that Fact Or Faked: The Paranormal Files is a great "concept" of a show, but is a dismal failure in it's execution. The episode that the OP is referring to is a great example of why the show fails as a pure intentioned show. And what is wrong with that episode is actually what is wrong with the majority of the shows episodes. Just because you can "recreate" a particular event in a video, does not mean that you have "debunked" or "solved" anything..it simply means that you have been able to "recreate" it. And as a paranormal investigator, I have found that just because you come close to recreating an "event" or "activity" doesn't necessarily mean that you have debunked or solved it.. But the Fact Or Faked team unanimously cry, "hoax" or "fake", when they are able to "recreate" the images of certain videos and that is just misleading and irresponsible.

Also, just because the lead investigator of your team happens to be ex-FBI, doesn't make him any more credible or qualified to make those kinds of decisions when it comes to any type of paranormal phenomena. If we are talking "criminal activity" then yes, we should trust his instincts and opinions, but when it comes to "paranormal activity", then no. As a matter of fact, I don't see anyone on the "investigative" team as being qualified to deem whether any of the video evidence is "genuine" or a "hoax". In the end all they have are their "opinions" and if the show is gonna survive for a 3rd season, they better stop trying to sell their "opinions" of mysteries solved as "fact".

Hi all,

How about the recent show where one of the two topics was "Flying Humanoids". As the drill goes, a team goes to
investigate the claims and interview an eyewitness or two. Then on to try some possible explanations for what the
video that piqued the investigation could have been showing - In this case footage of what looked like could be a
human form, tucked with it's knees pulled up to it's chest and arms wrapped around holding them there as it
seemed to float through the air in a very linear trajectory from left to right of the screen.

Well, they tried a few things that looked pretty close, with the final "balloons in a bag" looking the most like what
was shown in the vid. They filmed each of the three debunking attempts to try and replicate the original footage.

Anyway, at the end of the show they all agreed that the footage was the "balloons in a bag", and case closed.
But when they showed the "actual" footage next to their debunking footage, it turned out that the debunking
footage was the exact same video as the original.
I had to rewind my teevo several times to check this, and to me and my wife's eyes it was the exact same
video footage. Maybe they goofed up, or maybe they don't think that anyone will care and settle for a closed
case. Move along people.... Next!!.....

Did anyone else see this episode and notice this detail?

Thanks,
MS

I do not believe it is a cover up show but I feel that it does a great job of making a mockery of the phenomenom. Fore example, I watched an episode today with my parents and it is very hard to take that show seriously.

I like it as entertainment ...

The original footage seems to show a "zoomed in " look at the triangle. Look at how few stars it passes by in relation to the kite video. The original object does appear to be a high altitude object. While the hang glider looked similar, the lack of night vision to compare the stars make it suspect.

Hang gliding at night is illegal and can't even been done in most places due to the lack of any thermal ridge to ride at night on top of it being super dangerous to do. From a quick read on it, it usually only happens on coastlines and only just after sunset.

I would doubt a hanglider would do that at night and definitely not at the altitude that appears to be happening in the original video.

I doubt the original video is an alien UFO. Northern CA is close enough to enough testing areas for it to be a plausible experimental aircraft.