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Bush and Hitler: What The 'Torture Memos' Reveal

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posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 09:02 AM
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Originally posted by leiphasw


ECK cannot see the truth because he is blinded by his hatred of President Bush and anyone on the President's side of the political fence. In my opinion, ECK just uses this board as a place to espouse his own political views.


Another one ignorant of history.

Those who do not learn their history are doomed to repeat it.

Your ignorance of the subject (Hitler's rise) and your arrogance has blinded you. If you think I'm wrong, then go look into it. What I say here is the truth.

Maybe you can't handle the truth. Maybe you will educate yourself.

Willful ignorance is a dangerous, dangerous thing.




posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 09:03 AM
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I see no reason to compare Bush to anyone, my opinion of him is he and his clan of merry admins has done enough disturbing, questionable things during his stay in the White House to totally stand on his own...



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by leiphasw
I think it is a fallacy of logic to compare what our President is doing now with what an evil megalomaniac like Hilter did in the past. That is as absurd as saying that using a hand gun in self defence is exactly like using a hand gun in a robbery. There is clearly no logic in that statement.


All the nazi and german soldiers that faught for Hitler believed in the same beliefs Hitler preached. At the time, Hitler's views were in the right. (To them)

In your eyes, Bush's views are in the right. 20 years from now, when/if the quack loses his top, you may view things differently.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 09:51 AM
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If he isn't actually James Carville, he is at least cut from the same spool, punched with the same die, painted through the same stencil, cast in the same mold, or just another cheap CD-R copy...


Little if anything is original or thought provoking; just the same old worn out liberal platform decked with those quick-change reversible planks.


E_T

posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by FreeMason
Hitler, seized power in bloody street warfare.

Wrong, Hitler and his party were voted to German's administration.
He started gradually to take more and more power and place same way thinking to important positions and to control media, school system and medias become pure propaganda machines telling of patriotic crap and things about their superiority... until he had full control of everything.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 11:37 AM
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Hey Sirino, didn't Saddam's brother-in-law admit Saddam's plans for nukes? I'll answer that, yes he did. And he had his head cut off and handed to Saddam on a platter didn't he? I'll answer that one again, yes it was. I'll let you answer one, what the heck do you think the US should have done considering this and the fact of his often denying us inspections? I'm guessing waited to see if he'd use them if he did have them right? I think we had all the proof we needed whether we ever find the WMD's. The US is absoulutely nothing like Germany was. If we were, we would have leveled Iraq with all of it's citizens trying to get to the terrorists, rather then trying to avoid innocent lives being lost. Give me a break!! The only reason this war is still going on is because Bush is not like Hitler was. Another thing, it's not like we're trying to build a McDonalds there or a Wal-Mart. No one wants to take an exotic vacation in Iraq in the future. And I don't think the US has ever done anything so selfish to make any nation believe that we would claim all that oil ours even if it was about oil.

[edit on 30-6-2004 by livenlearn]



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 11:58 AM
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Sheep will believe whatever their master tells them to believe. They are incapable of independent thought and have absolutely no intellectual curiosity. They might learn something that goes against their beliefs. Better not go there.

And yes, 10, 20 years from now, you Bush supporters will look just as wrong and foolish as the Germans did so long ago.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 12:03 PM
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Hey EastCoast, just curious, how you would have handled things if you were president? Or how would you like to believe you would have handled them?



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 12:05 PM
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By the way, to you folks who have no other defense but to label me a liberal (yawn. That is so yesterday and so Rush Limbaugh.
) or who are saying I'm Carville, you'd feel pretty stupid after saying that - if you knew me.


1. I've been a lifelong conservative Republican

2. I've never voted for a Democrat in my life

3. I voted for George W. Bush in 2000.

I have a brain and can think for myself. I've seen what a damnable mistake I made in voting for Bush. He is arguably the worst president we have ever had. If a person cannot grow and learn and admit mistakes, they are worthless. And for the record, I can't stand James Carville, a/k/a Serpanthead. I love his wife, Mary Matalin, tho.

[edit on 19-09-2003 by EastCoastKid]



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by livenlearn
Hey EastCoast, just curious, how you would have handled things if you were president? Or how would you like to believe you would have handled them?


I would never have allowed ANY of those NeoCon "crazies" (as George H.W. Bush not-so-lovingly referred to them) anywhere near my administration and I damn sure wouldn't have invaded and occupied Iraq. It's probably the most heinous foreign policy error our government has ever made.

Look back to Reagan's presidency and all the BS they caused for his administration back then. When he finally got hip to it, he fired the whole lot of 'em and sent them back to nowhere - where they belong.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 12:14 PM
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I can't help but think there will forever be a world power whether it's the US or another in the future. I think, as that world power now, the US has been respectable. The question is, what would others do or will do in the future? We know what some did in the past. If Iraq was the world power, what do you think they would do in this world?



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by livenlearn
If Iraq was the world power, what do you think they would do in this world?


By and large, the United States has managed to be a benevolent superpower. However, this administration has gone to the dark side. For the sake of our future and the future of the world, this madness must be corrected.

As for the question of what Saddam would do if he were running the show, all one needs to do is look back to his regime. He was brutal in his dictatorship, but it is argued that he had to be. To say that the Iraqi people are a difficult bunch to manage is a massive understatement. And this was from the mouth of a grizzled old Iraqi man. (That Saddam had to be tough.) I can say this, though; Iraq was relatively safe, women were afforded western-style freedoms - which is grossly uncommon in the mid-east and he presided over a pretty western-friendly secular government. That's a helluva lot better than a theocracy. And the only reason we became enemies is because our government (under Bush Sr.) decided to turn on him - just like they did with Noriega. (Kinda makes ya wonder what the deal with Saddam and Poppy was. It's pretty suspicious.) I'm not defending Saddam. Just commenting on his regime.

For anyone who doesn't understand the parallels between this adminstration and Hitler's rise, I would suggest you read this. It makes it pretty clear.

How Hitler Became a Dictator
by Jacob G. Hornberger, Posted June 28, 2004



Whenever U.S. officials wish to demonize someone, they inevitably compare him to Adolf Hitler. The message immediately resonates with people because everyone knows that Hitler was a brutal dictator.

But how many people know how Hitler actually became a dictator? My bet is, very few. Id also bet that more than a few people would be surprised at how he pulled it off, especially given that after World War I Germany had become a democratic republic.

The story of how Hitler became a dictator is set forth in The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, by William Shirer, on which this article is based.
www.fff.org...



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 06:34 PM
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Okay, here is a quote from William Shirer's documentary of Hitler's rise:


More than anything else, Shirers most vivid first impressions of the citizens of the New Germany had to do with the unquestioning loyalty with which many of them supported the Nazis as Hitler rebuilt a formerly defeated, chaotic country. Shirer realized that while in the recesses of their minds lived the fear of the Gestapo and of the possibility of being sent to a concentration camp if they resisted the regime

I don't know, but I am not supporting Bush because he will send me to a concentration camp if I resist... ECK, maybe you should start worrying if all that balony you spout is actually true.

Here is a link to the full article



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 11:15 PM
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Freemason, Livenlearn
Great responses!

Jamun, Eastcoastkid
I think you should reconsider position on the ACLU. Never before has any
organization done more to promote moral decay as has the ACLU. For 75 years the ACLU has steadly and feverishly worked to undermine the Christian and moral heritage of our nation.

March 1995 - The ACLU files a lawsuit against Alabama Circuit Judge Roy Moore to force him to discontinue prayer in his courtroom and remove a Ten Commandments plaque from the wall behind his bench. Judge Moore countersued, asking a state court to resolve the constitutionality of official acknowledgements of God. This was the beginning of an ongoing, on-again off-again series of legal battles between the ACLU and Judge Moore. Judge Moore was later removed from office.

April 2002 - The U.S. Supreme Court struck down major portions of the Child Pornography Protection Act, which prohibited Internet porn hawkers from making "virtual" child pornography. The ACLU immediately declared victory, calling it a triumph for "free speech."

The ACLU is a farce.


[edit on 30-6-2004 by sniper068]



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 11:35 PM
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No wonder this country is going to crap,,,, My god people please wake up...



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 11:38 PM
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leiphasw


ECK.....Thats tough when you supply someone the information you are using to prove your point only to have it backfire.



posted on Jul, 1 2004 @ 02:57 AM
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Originally posted by livenlearn
Hey Sirino, didn't Saddam's brother-in-law admit Saddam's plans for nukes? I'll answer that, yes he did. And he had his head cut off and handed to Saddam on a platter didn't he? I'll answer that one again, yes it was. I'll let you answer one, what the heck do you think the US should have done considering this and the fact of his often denying us inspections? I'm guessing waited to see if he'd use them if he did have them right? I think we had all the proof we needed whether we ever find the WMD's. The US is absoulutely nothing like Germany was. If we were, we would have leveled Iraq with all of it's citizens trying to get to the terrorists, rather then trying to avoid innocent lives being lost. Give me a break!! The only reason this war is still going on is because Bush is not like Hitler was. Another thing, it's not like we're trying to build a McDonalds there or a Wal-Mart. No one wants to take an exotic vacation in Iraq in the future. And I don't think the US has ever done anything so selfish to make any nation believe that we would claim all that oil ours even if it was about oil.

[edit on 30-6-2004 by livenlearn]


12+ years of inspections, over one year of actual occupation, now where are the weapons? The USA has access to the whole damn country and it's former rulers, so where is the evidence? All you have is some heresay which cant be validated at all. Try harder my friend.



posted on Jul, 1 2004 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by sniper068

ECK.....Thats tough when you supply someone the information you are using to prove your point only to have it backfire.



Explain. Nothing has backfired. Maybe you should go read the link I supplied. I won't hold my breath, though.

As far as the ACLU goes, every last one of us may be begging for their help under another 4 years of Bush. One more "terra" attack and martial law most likely would be implemented. Even more people will be disappeared. Those brave enough and willing to speak out will be thrown into detention centers. The only people who will be safe from the coming tyrrany are those who are the wealthiest and connected. Anyone else who thinks they won't suffer are simply delusional.

Concerning Christians, you should see this coming! You read scriptures, don't you?! Frankly, I'm astounded by the ignorance and blindeness of Christians in America today! They're completely brainwashed with regards to Bush. NEWSFLASH: Just because someon SAYS they're a Christian, does NOT mean that they are. You have heard of Wolves in sheep's clothing, have you not? You might want to think about it.

As for those two ACLU examples cited, America is not a theocracy, it is a Republic that respects the seperation of church and state. Do we wish our leaders to be of the Christian mind? Of course we do. Or some of us do, anyway; but, you know what they say: We're old enuff for our wants not to hurt us. If you think the ACLU is responsible for all that ails our society, then you're dreaming. Our current leadership in Washington (on both sides of aisle) is corrupt to the core. Maybe if they tended more to the health of their souls and looked to God for guidance, our country would not be in the rotten shape its in.

And as for the 1st Ammendment issue you cited, we must protect free speech. Once that right is gone, our nation is doomed to suffer the same fate as Nazi Germany. And that means having to accept that some things we find morally reprehensible - like pornography - may be allowed. Pornographers might not be too happy about us slamming their practices and might just as easily try and argue we have no right to hassle them. Freedom of speech is a unique and beautiful thing; but, it is also a two-way street.



posted on Jul, 1 2004 @ 12:01 PM
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East Coast Kid, their rise to power may be similar but you can't even come close to comparing them. Hitler's agenda was to dominate Europe and right now Bush's agenda is to find a way to stay in office because not very many people are gonna vote for him. Bush is not going to enslave us or whatever in 10 or 20 because he won't even be in office that long, 4 more years at most, and he won't find a way to change that because he does not have enough support. Also Hitler was a dictator and Bush is only the president, the president does not have as much control as a dictator. Its simpile politics. Notice how we go into Iraq to give them democracy and take out Saddam, who is more comparable to Hitler than Bush, but Hitler invaded parts of Europe to impose HIS dictatorship. Don't get me wrong Im not a Bush fan but Bush is not the worst president I think?
www.infoplease.com...
I know it won't show Bush yet but I thought it was interestng any way. He might be in couple months when his presidancy is over.



posted on Jul, 1 2004 @ 12:38 PM
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I suggest you go read the Patriot Act and its companion PA II. Also, recommended reading would be the torture memos. Bush is claiming to be supreme over the law. That's just the beginning. Just like Hitler's beginning. Americans seem to think Hitler just popped out of nowhere. Big mistake to not understand his rise and the eery similarities. It's right out of the theird Reicht's playbook. Look into it.



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