If You Use Herbs and Supplements, You've Been Betrayed by Lawmakers. A HIGHLY URGENT Message...

i live in Finland, and i just recently looked into getting some supplements and was surprised at the number of things i cannot get, here's what i think is the "best" example, but there are other thing (some of which actually grow wild in Finland)

Ginseng (Panax ginseng)
www.azarius.net...

if you look down to where it says Shipping restrictions - Finland

so yes this is real

here's a thought

find out what's banned in Finland - and you can be reasonably sure it works

This doesn't shock me only because our natural environment - which used to be our own personal niche - has now been globalized and has become more or less static from continent to continent (at least as far as "western" or "developed" countries are concerned).

As a result, it seems logical that in order to totally divorce human beings from their original specific niches (aka, environment; aka, Umwelten) it would be necessary to eliminate any sort of route that does not follow the uniformity of the whole.

In other words, traditional medicines and foods (which in a lot of ways would be almost indistinguishable - ex: garlic is food or medicine? peppers are food or medicine? how would you distinguish the two usages?) which are not compatible with the new order of things are wiped out to maintain a sort of homogenized population where niche is artificial and abstract.

Unfortunately, homogeneity is not stable.

Perhaps all of the polymers in our collective system will restructure our biology throughout the world, creating a new plastic planet where medicinal pills are "naturally" produced by plastic plants.

reply to post by Spiro


Will this mean the end for chinese medicine in the EU as well as anyone else selling beneficial herbs?
Sick state of affairs if thats the case IMHO.
They have been trying this for years,the codex crowd of evil ones.

It may take a while before they get rid of the loop holes though-Im thinking you may still be able to sell such herbs under a different guise,like as incense or "aromatic room fresheners" or something-You know the way those people could get away with selling M Khat (meow meow) as "plant food,"rather than a club drug...
Or maybe we could re market the beneficial herbs as food seasoning,as a work around?

There will be a way around this folks.

Resistance is NOT futile.

Buy your non hybrid herb seeds in bulk now,and learn how to grow them(its easy).

Wow ,I would so love to get busted for growing basil,gingerand st johns wort...I would have the press ALL OVER it,and I would go to prison if I had to.

Screw this if they ever make it law...I will NOT comply.
I will seed the hills and fields for miles around,and go door to door giving away fresh beneficial herbs to all I meet,including the cops.

Do not comply with EVIL.

Do not comply if this ever becomes law.


What will you trust-evil corporations who buy their laws of governments to sell their deadly "medicines" most of which they admit do more HARM and death than good,or the natural remedies that our species have used for THOUSANDS of years without problems?


You can take myl natural herbal medicine from my COLD DEAD HANDS if thats what it takes(and it will).

I will never comply,and I will make sure as hell that many other folks are with me on that,if it kills me.

How dare they even attempt this.


Thanks for the latest heads up on this subject Spiro,may you reap good karma for your deed of spreading this information.

My friend,

Here is an article that Timesonline coverd back in 2005 in which this Ban seems to have been started, or at least being implememented in the courts >

Controversial EU vitamins ban to go ahead

A controversial new EU regulation that has threatened to outlaw thousands of mineral supplements and bankrupt health food stores across Britain was upheld this morning. The European Court of Justice approved the Food Supplements Directive even though the court's own Advocate-General advised that the Directive was invalid under EU law. The ruling - greeted with surprise - is a defeat for a concerted campaign by more than a million British health food customers and shops. They have argued that the law, which will come into effect on August 1, will impose an unprecedented level of regulation on mineral supplements and could threaten the existence of small suppliers.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

So this has been on the cards for 5 years now, and the good news is that it never came into effect then. Well, judging by the OP it seems it is very well on the cards

Back to researching

Be safe be well

Spiro

My friends,

From as early as 2002 it seems they were trying to put a ban on supplements >

In 2002 my magazine What Doctors Don’t Tell You first learned about plans within the European Union to radically restrict natural medicine across all member countries, starting with laws that would create a very low ceiling of ‘safe upper limits’ in vitamins. Although the laws were ostensibly to create a level playing field within the European supplement market, the proposals bore the heavy hand of Big Pharma. At the time, the solution appeared simple. The majority of people in the UK use some form of natural medicine. All we needed to do was to band together, whip up a national protest, and the laws would be stopped in their tracks. In early 2003, we invited all the heads of the largest vitamin companies and representatives from all the leading natural medicine organizations – homeopathy, herbal medicine, traditional Chinese medicine, acupuncture and many others – to a meeting in central London. Many of the organizations never showed up. Of the 50 or so who did, many groups felt that our concerns were alarmist. Others welcomed the new moves as good for business. A few attempting to fight the legislation were busiest fighting each other. No group seemed able to see the bigger picture. Each organization was mainly concerned with whether their own business was under fire. If it wasn’t – and at the time it wasn’t for many of the disciplines – they weren’t interested. Not my problem. Big Pharma had big plans all those years ago. Unless there is sufficient opposition, within the next year or two, laws will come into effect in Europe that will drastically restrict the access of all Europeans to high-dose vitamins and herbal medicine. Most therapeutic herbal medicine, plus forms that are new to the West, such as Ayurvedic and Traditional Chinese herbal medicine, will effectively be banned. And although homeopathy has emerged unscathed from future EU law, the British Medical Association is working to eliminate funding for NHS homeopathic hospitals. This pogrom will not end in Europe. The near identical international laws that have been drafted within the United Nations suggest that a well organized and concerted effort is under foot to finish off any alternative to orthodox medicine. The plan is to watch Europe closely to assess the level of consumer protest. Thus far, that protest has been minimal. The two consumer groups that have maintained any sort of consistent attack – the Alliance for Natural Health (ANH) and Consumers for Health Choice who have challenged the law and lobbied parliament are starved of funds. The individual organizations to this day remain isolationist. Not my problem. This attitude reminds me a bit of the speech given by Pasto Martin Miemoller about the passivity of many German groups to the purging by the Nazis of group after group.

preposterousornot.posterous.com...

Dam, this is really getting scary

Be safe be well

Spiro

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At last someone who sees the big picture. It bothers me when I see people simply accepting this and planning their herb garden as the solution. No disrespect meant to anyone, but this is absolutely not ok, it's not ok that they treat us as mindless cattle, and it's not ok simply to accept this and do nothing. It's time everyone began to stop being so passive to all this and start acting. Do ANYTHING, but DO SOMETHING. Write letters, make phone calls, investigate the legalities, start protests, begin non-co-operation, pass the information on, refuse to co-operate in some way. We all have to start doing something.

My friends,

Here is a bit more info on how much will be banned, though it doesn't give names, just figuers...

The draft Regulation adds just 69 additional vitamin and mineral forms to the previous list of 112 forms. All other vitamin and minerals forms will be banned, this affecting hundreds of products that have been selling freely, under the derogation, in more liberal Member States such as the UK. Amongst the casualties are all food supplements containing vanadium or silver, as well as many mineral amino acid chelates.

It did start in 2002, with what they are calling The 2002 Directive >

he natural products industry in the UK, as well as in other EU Member States, has been asked to approve changes even before the draft Regulation amending the EU Food Supplements Directive of 2002 has been ratified in Europe. The reason given for the rush is the desire to stick to the date given in the 2002 Directive, which states that the derogation phase expires on 31 December 2009. This means that any vitamin or mineral forms not complying with the new list of approved forms, as given in the draft Regulation as proposed by the European Commission, will be banned as of 1 January 2010.

www.anh-europe.org...

Grrrrrrr

Download full ANH submission to the UK Food Standards Agency: www.anh-europe.org...

European Commission proposed draft regulation: members.wto.org...

About the Alliance for Natural Health: www.anh-europe.org...

Be safe be well

Spiro

This just confirms what is blatantly obvious to most people who are awake. The EU Government are nothing more than evil fascists and this truly is an act of evil. How dare they. There is no scientific evidence that large doses of vitamins are harmful or even deadly, so how they can ban all health supplements is beyond me.

This is an good example of why pharmaceutical drug companies want all health supplements banned.

Living Proof: Vitamin C - Miracle Cure?

When a King Country dairy farmer came down with a serious case of swine flu, intensive care specialists said there was no hope. They were set to pull him off of life support, but his family refused to give up.

The family demanded that the doctors try high doses of Vitamin C. The hospital told them it wouldn't work, but the family insisted. They had to hire a lawyer to get their way -- but their actions saved the man's life.

Dr. Mercola's Comments:
articles.mercola.com...

Video:

www.3news.co.nz...

I m here for quite while, but today I heard bad news on TV and then this thread pushed me to write something in order to start avalanche and at least to show that I want to participate in helping with changes..
Now about OP : There is nothing we can do about it.. Unless we all stand together and make something that will change world and our future..
For many years evil is showing it's teeth.. everyday we are witness of evil's bad influence through politics, bad market, and finally but most important, people that once had moral and ethics but were forced to disregard them just to survive in this jungle..
So mine conclusion is that good has to prevail or otherwise it will be much, much worse.. Something has to be done.. And it must be on a global scale..

Since this is mine first post and English is not mine mother language (I m from Croatia), I want you to forgive me any mistakes, and to understand that there are many people that feels world's tremor and everyday suffering..

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They have been trying to force this through for years as far as I know,and it is the exact same same deal as what our American brothers and sisters call "codex alimentarius."

Look closely at the proposed EU directive,and you will see where I am coming from when I mentioned "loopholes" and "work arounds."

Look at this part from the actual proposed directive for example:

(section 1 of)directive 2001/83/EC(4)requires that all aplications for authorisation to place a medicinal product on the market have to be accompanied by a dossier containing particulars and documents relating in particular to the results of physio-chemical. biological or microbiological tests as well as pharmacological and toxicological tests and clinical trials carried out on the product and thus proving its quality,saftey and efficacy.

eur-lex.europa.eu...:L:2004:136:0085:0090:enDF

(Thats the actual proposal,and theres more nastiness in it than I can paste here,well worth a read.)

Potential loop hole/work around:

I now sell my medicinal herbs as incense,or fire kindling,or...plant/fish food.
I DO NOT apply for any damned authorisation from any EU goons.
I pass GO and DO NOT go to jail.

Another point:How will this affect folks who wish to study herbal medicine in colleges in Europe?
Will all those courses be banned?

But wait-we are told all the time that we are the luckiest people in the world to live in true "freedom."

What a crock that turned out to be hey folks?

Originally posted by denius507
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Now about OP : There is nothing we can do about it.. Unless we all stand together and make something that will change world and our future..


Since this is mine first post and English is not mine mother language (I m from Croatia), I want you to forgive me any mistakes, and to understand that there are many people that feels world's tremor and everyday suffering..

Your English is fine,I can understand you.

But please don't say there is nothing we can do about it.

There is only "nothing we can do about it" if that is what we believe.
If we believe we can do something about it,that becomes reality.

Kind regards.

I'll physically fight against big pharma...

Nothing pisses me off more or gets me sicker to my stomach than having to ingest pharmaceuticals or see events like this making them our only options...

Where's our anti pharma rally, I'll march all god damned day.


And other products like "spice" will make their fight for something like this even easier. An herb that changes your consciousness (even though it's due to an artificial spray...) like that evil marijuana?!?!?!? All natural is bad!!! Let's stick with our scientific pharma, after all what side effects of science could POSSIBLY affect us negatively?!?

Pharmacy and other medical establishments have always benefitted by victimization of another

There was an attempt to do that in Canada in 2008, but ofcourse it failed miserably there was a considerable number of protesters who helped out to shut that stupid bill down.

I tell you if some senator decides to pull some # like this, it will be protested not just in a two week period, but the whole thing will be a goddamn disaster for however long such bill lives.


I mean it will be kinda similar to the 1920's when booze was illegal and everybody had to buy and sell it illegally and cops had their hands full, and lives were on the line becasue of some idiot deciding to make essential things like this illegal.

It will be a pretty inconvenient bill to say the least.

I used to be a big believer in Dr. Mercola and his mesage but now that he is mega rich, he has lost touch with his roots amd may have been an act all along just for profit. All he does is use tabloid style reporting to scare and almost every story is linked to a new supplement he is selling.

Now just watch the loyal followers attack any words against their Fearless Leader just like good "FOLLOWERS" always do...

Is there any other source to corroborate this story?

I know that a few herbs and natural supplements are under attack by the Major Corporations but it will be extremely difficult to be able to eliminate then across the board. It will start with the new "Inscents/Legal Bud" Online products. Then some of the more exotics.

I have for years been unable to find a few supposedly illegal ingredients for a couple chinese mixtures from local shoppe but always found them when absolutely needed - legal or not I honestly do not know!

Just remember this scare story has been around since the Opium/Cocaine Laced Tinctures that Snake Oil Salesmen sold and used it cures everything so get it now I will be gone tomorrow sales pitch. Hell yea it cured all, the users were so stoned they didn't care if they were sick anymore.

The Whole Holistic Cry - Buy this product now in bulk before the government outlaws it...is just another marketing strategy for the sole purpose of PROFIT.

Companies and people manufacturing and selling these health products are still just companies and people. Do not make the mistake of thinking that they actually care about you or your health. There are many who actually do care but they are few and far between. However, they all do care about your money.

Too much money to be made and the health & holistic corporations will always find a way to sell their products.

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This is #ing disgusting, I owe most of my good health to herbs and supplements and now they're being removed and given no replacement? I'm getting really sick of these clowns, It's getting to be about that time we end them.

My good friend,

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
Thanks for the latest heads up on this subject Spiro,may you reap good karma for your deed of spreading this information.

You are very welcome indeed

And thank YOU for contributing a great deal of information that clearly needs to be on here

Sorry I dont have time to reply to your/all posts in full as I'm currently in work doing a 15hour 3 day shift. I do get a sneaky half hour here and there lolol

Again, thanks to EVERYONE for contributing to this discussion. Give yourselves a star as everyone here deserves it

While I'm here, is there any possable way we could start and online ATS petition.....or is that against ATS code of conduct?

Many thanks again members for making this information possable.

Be safe be well

Spiro

My friend,

Originally posted by racasan
here's a thought

find out what's banned in Finland - and you can be reasonably sure it works

Superb

Please, if you or anyone has time to do this then get right on it

When I get the chance [working now] I will for sure

Be safe be well

Spiro

My good friend,

Originally posted by kindred
This just confirms what is blatantly obvious to most people who are awake. The EU Government are nothing more than evil fascists and this truly is an act of evil. How dare they.

There is no scientific evidence that large doses of vitamins are harmful or even deadly, so how they can ban all health supplements is beyond me.

This is an good example of why pharmaceutical drug companies want all health supplements banned.

Living Proof: Vitamin C - Miracle Cure?

When a King Country dairy farmer came down with a serious case of swine flu, intensive care specialists said there was no hope. They were set to pull him off of life support, but his family refused to give up.

The family demanded that the doctors try high doses of Vitamin C. The hospital told them it wouldn't work, but the family insisted. They had to hire a lawyer to get their way -- but their actions saved the man's life.

Dr. Mercola's Comments:
articles.mercola.com...

Video:

www.3news.co.nz...

Superb post indeed

Many thanks my friend,

Be safe be well

Spiro