'Al-Qaeda' is a Manufactured Intelligence Front

I really don't know what's worse, politicians who tell us that so-and-so is evil and we should kill them, or people who've never met the politician or the people he's talking about and believes him anyway. It's so pathetic you can really only laugh. The world has grown so small that we now have the invent make-believe scary boogeymen enemies who hate our freedom, just to have someone to fight! And, if you can believe this, they live in caves! ROFL the American people are screwed if we are truly this stupid.

Quote: You can always go to the Middle East and find out if the terrorists are trully not beheading anyone.... Want to go and ask them?

Yes I�m going but I have to stop by my local CIA office to get a map and directions to the terrorists!!!

The US is screwed economic-wise, too. Just about everyone and every local, state government in the nation is so in debt we will never see the end of it. On top of that, because of the fact that most of the independent farms have been bought up by the corporations, our food gets shipped in from everywhere else. What would happen then, if we experienced some kind of stoppage of oil flow? Our reserves would run out eventually. And yes, our leaders make up boogie men to terrorize us into submission to their vile wills. They send OUR flesh off to fight - not their own - then they make bookoo bucks off all the weaponry and armaments used etc etc etc. The big bankers and military/industrial complex are heaven right now (hell is their eternal reward) swimming in all OUR hard-earned wealth.

I get a kick out of people saying that the USA is the land of freedom. Ya know what? You're only as free as your bank statement is big.

Things can get better. They will only get better if we the people demand REAL change.

Your Alex Jones "theory" of Al-Qaeda is flawed ECK......!
How so?
Here:
Who is Al Qaeda

During the 1980s, resistance fighters in Afghanistan developed a
worldwide recruitment and support network with the aid of the USA, Saudi
Arabia and other states. After the 1989 Soviet withdrawal, this network,
which equipped, trained and funded thousands of Muslim fighters, came underthe control of Osama bin Laden. In light of evidence from the recently
completed US embassy bombing trials, Phil Hirschkorn, Rohan Gunaratna, Ed Blanche, and Stefan Leader examine the genesis, operational methods and organizational structure of the Bin Laden network - Al-Qaeda......
Jane's Intelligence Review - August 1, 2001.

You see dear ECK, history and facts are interchangable, aren't they? Hey, just ask Alex Jones at PrisonPlanet, eh....that fine and upright news and factual source....!

Question(s) ECK......but first consider the historical timeframe Afghanistan, the invasion by the Soviet Union, and OBL and the creation of Al Qaeda, k?
* Was it wrong for the US to support the Mujaheddin and OBL(sp)?
*After the USSR pulled out or retreated from Afghanistan, was the US supposed to have a freakin' crystal ball to determine that OBL would do as he has?

Yoiur views, as with anyone else's views are your own, but when bringing up and discussing historical contextual facts, which are well known and well documented OFF the Internet...you still steadily pull crap from PrisonPlanet and continue to think that it is remotely and factually correct?! You read "fish bait" and thats all it has ever amounted to when you continue to pull information from the 'places' that you do......the mind is soooo easily swayed.....just like those so many people that you and others have called "sheeple" believing the drummings of the US government and Bush.....just as you and others do when reading from the likes of places that you so loving love to pull "crediable" information from, eh?!

Not likely...

You and your source information need to get their/its story straight.....
You once told me:

Click, click.......

Remember....?
Well, here's mine for you and others......get a real book and read it...the internet is good for information, but discerning the truth from fiction requires the use of digging through real, crediable, factual resources and sources......like books!
They used to say that a mind was and is a terrible thing to waste.....well IMHO, since the advent of the internet.....libraries have joined that list......read a book, at least use one when verifying sources and bits of information that you use, eh?



seekerof

[edit on 1-9-2004 by Seekerof]

Your quick response trying to blow my "theory" out of the water only makes me more confident. But thanks, Seekerof. I always enjoy hearing from you.

And I see how quickly you evaded my questions.....
And likewise, always good to see that you are continuing to pull from the sources and sourcings that you do.....


regards
seekerof

You have a good imagination now all we have to do is learn how to control it ...

Originally posted by Seekerof
And I see how quickly you evaded my questions.....
And likewise, always good to see that you are continuing to pull from the sources and sourcings that you do.....


regards
seekerof

You accuse my sources of being bad; so, I'm not gonna argue with you. There's no point.

Are you familiar with plan DAISY?

[edit on 19-09-2003 by EastCoastKid]

Those articles are very intriguing, EastCoastKid. Good post.

I also read that article about the blood pattern, and I must say when I watched that video the first time, I thought it was somewhat odd to not see a burst of blood. The guy was already DOA. Very sloppy, and also very convienient that no more kidnappings are happening aye? Too close to the election to have our minds on that crap Now it's "Vote for me cause I am a family man, a devoted American and I will lead this country to the top" Ha, I doubt it. More like the pits of hell.

Anyway, yeah, good post!

Originally posted by Seekerof
Your Alex Jones "theory" of Al-Qaeda is flawed ECK......!
How so?
Here:
Who is Al Qaeda

During the 1980s, resistance fighters in Afghanistan developed a
worldwide recruitment and support network with the aid of the USA, Saudi
Arabia and other states. After the 1989 Soviet withdrawal, this network,
which equipped, trained and funded thousands of Muslim fighters, came underthe control of Osama bin Laden. In light of evidence from the recently
completed US embassy bombing trials, Phil Hirschkorn, Rohan Gunaratna, Ed Blanche, and Stefan Leader examine the genesis, operational methods and organizational structure of the Bin Laden network - Al-Qaeda......
Jane's Intelligence Review - August 1, 2001.

Jane's is hardly privy to any confidential information that they actually publish, and basically sell themselves as the best civilian intelligence publishers for those with an interest in the military and intel.

For some interesting information about the CIA, ISI and Jihad in Afghanistan, read these books. They are quite good and free to boot:

www.sovietsdefeatinafghanistan.com...

UBL worked for the CIA for years, but he was one of many. I haven't seen any evidence to suggest the CIA, ISI, and Arab Jihadis are no longer in cahoots.

I also don't see any reason why a faction within this country who fancies itself more international than American would have any qualms about helping the government gain more raw power, strengthen the US dollar, and cash in on the investment of carrier battle groups, all by actively fighting a fictional enemy in a wag-the-dog scenario.

If 'absolute power corrupts absolutely' is to be taken as an axiom, then the leaders of the United States must have at least the small amount of corruption needed to do some misdeeds here and there. This country is undoubtedly the strongest the world has ever seen.

Anybody notice how terrorism has been ramped up off in Russia? It's unreal how much chaos is breaking out there right now. I can't help but wonder if it's been so perfectly timed as to play out as a subliminal backdrop to the RNC convention. It's BE AFRAID, ALL THE TIME, afterall. They're saying it, and as they do, the airplanes are being blown out of the sky, car bombs are going off in Israel (up to this point it's been relatively peaceful, recall), Afghanistan and Russia; now those children in Russian have been taken hostage. It's madness. This has been the bloodiest week in some time, regarding terror. Cowinkydink? I think not. All I can say, is thank God we havn't experienced it here. Perhaps the powers that be know how contrived it would appear. Like the stupid and evil PSY OP Berg beheading.

I agree with ECK. Bin Laden was manufactured by the CIA. Here are some IMO good articles that tell the story.

www.fromthewilderness.com...
www.fromthewilderness.com...
www.fromthewilderness.com...

Fox

Kudos, mrmulder!

Mike Ruppert's site From the Wilderness is excellent. Must reading for anyone looking into 9-11, related events and peak oil. Indespensible.

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Anybody notice how terrorism has been ramped up off in Russia? It's unreal how much chaos is breaking out there right now. I can't help but wonder if it's been so perfectly timed as to play out as a subliminal backdrop to the RNC convention. It's BE AFRAID, ALL THE TIME, afterall. They're saying it, and as they do, the airplanes are being blown out of the sky, car bombs are going off in Israel (up to this point it's been relatively peaceful, recall), Afghanistan and Russia; now those children

in Russian have been taken hostage. It's madness. This has been the bloodiest week in some time, regarding terror. Cowinkydink? I think not. All I can say, is thank God we havn't experienced it here. Perhaps the powers that be know how contrived it would appear. Like the stupid and evil PSY OP Berg beheading.

Yeah, I have noticed:

www.cnn.com...

I also heard on CNN that Bush says "He will offer any assistance to Russia."

CNN has posted an interesting timeline of Terror attacks in Russia since 2000.

www.cnn.com...

Here are some of Mike Ruppert's articles on Russia. Good read IMO:

www.fromthewilderness.com...
www.fromthewilderness.com...

That's mighty white of him, isn't it? Bush the big heeero.

Great links. Thanx MM.

I'm sorry to say that you must be a Liberal, Socialist, Democrat. Your ideas are ridicules and unfounded. You live in a dream world. Don't forget that in order to write fiction and sell it, you must make it believable. I'm not buying!

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Anybody notice how terrorism has been ramped up off in Russia? It's unreal how much chaos is breaking out there right now.

CIA budget goes up from US Government and Afghani heroin trade income is better than ever. The wolf's big and bad again.

I'm very dubious about the CIA having any links to the Russian problems in Chechnya, perhaps you could enlighten me?

And please don't spin me a tale worthy of a Tom Clancy on methamphetamines novel.




[edit on 2-9-2004 by Disastro]

Originally posted by Disastro
I'm very dubious about the CIA having any links to the Russian problems in Chechnya, perhaps you could enlighten me?

And please don't spin me a tale worthy of a Tom Clancy on methamphetamines novel.

I stopped reading his propaganda long ago.

Elements from the CIA could be covertly backing elements in Chechnya, Russia as they do in other areas. It's not brain surgery. Read the many links provided to get a better understanding of the nature of the beast.

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Advisor, you think the guy was hit on purpose, or was this just an accident?

Not sure, but I get the feeling it was no accident. Coincidence is something I do not believe in.