9/11, THE CASE FOR TRUTH: Part 1; The Build up to September 11th 2001

Nice work kiwi....

I feel sorry for dave and weedy and hooper etc.....it must be a hellava decision to take employment as they have chosen to.....one can only surmise that the depressed state in the US means "desperate measures need desperate actions".....and theres bucket-loads of desperation there!!

You all suit each other though....

And its good that you are stickin' together thru thick and thin...

I wouldnt employ you though.....too sneaky and underhanded for my line of work.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Incorporate the fact into your conspiracy claims as you see fit.

Let's incorporate fact into your (the official) conspiracy claims, shall we?

-- FACT: the beginning of the NIST report states that nothing in their report can be taken as factual or be used as evidence in a court of law.

Why? They used guesses, theories, and made-up computer calculations to try to explain how three WTC towers collapsed on 9/11 which can't be held up to scrutiny in a court of law.

What trusters fail to realize is that since the NIST report cannot be taken as factual, then it is not a fact that three WTC towers were not brought down with explosives. It's only a theory, period.

What's more believable:

1.) A government-paid agency that uses guesses, theories, and computer calculations, but admits their findings can't be used as evidence in a court of law.

or

2.) The witnesses and first responders who were there that testified to seeing/hearing the exact signs of controlled demolitions in the form of timed booms and flashes going up, down and around both towers with popping or exploding sounds associated with the flashes.

Plus, what we can see with our own eyes:


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Plus, the continuously growing list of architects, engineers, scientists, victims' family members, and others from every corner of the world, that are speaking out about the official (unprovable) conspiracy theory.


I'll pick #2 any day of the week because I'm smarter than that. Are you?



S&F to the OP for the work making this thread.

This has all gotten really OLD. Don't get me wrong, I thank any and everyone who LOOKS into the disaster, but its the same people argueing the SAME points and counter points, over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. I used to think it was good, and that persuasion would be swayed towards a new investigation, but no, its not.

Humanity lost a long time ago, we are just grasping at straws. This constant circle of the same disagreements makes me think you are all disinformers. Some of you phrase your wording in such a beaurocratic way, and others in a very vague way, but you all just bicker and repeat yourselves. Sometimes I don't even know whos argueing what point anymore. This has gotten very OLD. This arguement will not be won on a conspiracy forum, or in a textbook, or even in congress, but in the streets, one sad day. But we all missed that day.. A long long time ago.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Sorry to burst your bubble, but 80% of this, from Northwoods, to the ISI to the presidential briefings are straight out of Loose Change. I distinctly recognize the cover of the terrorism study referencing the 1993 WTC terrorist attack that Dylan Avery used to insinuate as being some sinister hint of the 9/11 attack, exactly the same way you're doing. There isn't anything you're providing here that hasn't been presented already many times previously.

This of course does nothing to address the fact this is still 100% innuendo dropping. Implosions leave blatant signs of sabotage on the steel and hordes of steel workers cleaning up the wreckage at ground zero...many of them being the ones who helped build the thing to begin with...say there was no such thing there. Thus, the towers were NOT brought down by implosion so two plus two still equals four regardless of how much evidence you present to make it look like it really equals five.

Incorporate the fact into your conspiracy claims as you see fit.

So you start out with an attack on loose change, which is typical since we know how much you hate that documentary. Then you don't even dismiss the fact that the terrorism study showed the WTC in cross hairs, but rather you ad hominem attack Dylan Avery (part and parcel with your hatred of loose change) by saying he used it sinisterly, as if he should have just ignored the fact that the Bush administration said there were no prior warnings and yet a terrorism study shows the WTC in cross hairs. I'm sorry but Dylan Avery doesn't ignore the facts like you do. If nothing new is being presented, why is it that it has 20+ flags? If nothing new is being presented, why do you care? It would make sense for a conspiracy theorist to come to a conspiracy theorist website in order to talk about conspiracy theories, but you are coming to a conspiracy theorist website to dismiss conspiracy theories, LIKE IT'S YOUR JOB, much like an atheist has no business in a religion/spirituality chat room yet here you are, day after day, almost as if this is your job to come here and spout your tired old semantics like...

"hordes of steel workers cleaning up the wreckage at ground zero...many of them being the ones who helped build the thing to begin with...say there was no such thing there. "

How many times are you going to repeat this blatant lie? The clean up workers committed a crime called tampering with evidence of a crime scene, so the clean up workers were not like the fire fighters, average americans who went out to do their country a service. The fire fighters reported hearing explosions, meanwhile the clean up workers were hired by the government in order to cover up the tracks, so obviously they wouldn't talk about damage to steel, which there was by the way, the molten metal. And how ridiculous it is to say the clean up workers were the same people who built the buildings? Where do you get this nonsense from? Why would they hire the same people who built the buildings to clean it up? Because they are the only ones qualified enough to clean up the debris, since they built it? Your logic is hilarious. The towers were finished in 1970, so given the average age of the builders at the time to be 30-35, these clean up workers must have been 60-66 years old, what, did they have a special come-out-of-retirement event to clean up the building they built? I'm going to laugh myself to sleep with that statement. Of course the clean up workers couldn't find evidence of tampering, they were 60 years old! "many of them being the ones who helped build the thing to begin with" just priceless. By the way, the real builders of the towers said they were built to withstand airplane impacts.

So how is it that you have time to be on here so much? It's almost like it's your job.

Well done Lord Jules
You ripped the heart out of his "arguements".... was realy stupid to say the ppl. who built it were the clean up ppl.

Wow, hats off to you, my friend! It's refreshing to see a quality post, well laid out, sans grammatical and spelling errors. Flagged and added to my favorites. Well done.

BY the way, I gave you your 4000th star.

Second line says "Hello Mods."

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Although I appreciate your point, this can never get old. You see, every year more and more people start questioning the official story of 9/11 and the events that followed. This can never get old, it may take another 20 years but the fact is, we can never forget and we can never forgive until the truth is told to the masses.

9/11 wasn't just a single event in history, it was a catalyst to large series of events that has only just begun.

You think that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are the only outcome? Think again man, this is just the start.

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This of course does nothing to address the fact this is still 100% innuendo dropping. Implosions leave blatant signs of sabotage on the steel and hordes of steel workers cleaning up the wreckage at ground zero...many of them being the ones who helped build the thing to begin with...

Hey Dave, I didn’t see 80 year old men in wheel chairs cleaning up ground zero did we miss something here? Dave were is your “proof” that the builders were the clean up crew at ground zero?

You are expressing many of the same thoughts and questions which I have had since Sept. 11, 2001.

I would like to point out one thing of which you may not have been aware, or may have simply overlooked within all your research.

You included a statement from the CIA which denied any link to Bin laden. If you would Google "tim Osman", you may be surprised at what you find...(ie)..www.livevideo.com/.../9-11-coincidences-tim-osman-.aspx

I know there are those who will try to debunk any point we make and I am not making a statement of any belief in the O S or some deep dark conspiracy, I will, however, continue to ask questions until all possible questions are answered.

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Star, flagged and applaused.

Yes, in my own opinion I believe that most if not all the wars we humans have been forced to endure were arranged in the beginning by false flag operations.

Planned, instigated and nurtured by ? TPTB ?. One must look at the big picture and if people would put down those Twilight novels and turn Dancing with The Stars off and start reading and researching on who profited and is still profitting from each and everyone of these wars they might just learn that we don't need war.

Only the common man's sons and daughters die - the rich, like George W. Bush Jr. legally evaded active duty. Why? The power elite and their puppets are above the laws that apply to you and me.

On 911, 3,000 people died. Because of the War in Iraq 107,594 (low estimate) Source: www.iraqbodycount.org... died. Wouldn't one think this qualifies as mass murder/mass killer? Then if the Bush Administration lied about Weapons of Mass Destruction why wouldn't they think he lied about 911 and torture.

The American Government has been in kahoots with Israel for a very long time. The premise of this book is that once the Jews in Israel have completed their work (ie: made us the slaves rid the Middle East of the Muslims) they will be done with us and no longer need us and we Christians, Hindi, Pagans, Agnostics, etc are next on their list.

TPTB, The real power (look at where the money is) have pitted everyone against each other.

Don't believe me, I saw this warfare tactic used in offices - management pits the pions against each other and control through fear (of losing job/money).

People just blindly follow along, not realizing who the puppet masters really are. They haven't a clue.

God, people, wake the frak up and open up your eyes...............Paul Waldman wrote a book called "Fraud" and documented 262 lies that George W. Bush said, they are documented words that came out of his mouth and they were lies. Lie to me once, shame on you, lie to me 262+ times and

Again, we will never know the whole story about 911. The BIG BOYS, really know how to muddle their tracks and the common, ordinary sheep refuses to really do their research.

I strongly encourage everyone to get a book called, "9/11 The Ultimate Truth" by Laura Knight Jadczyk and Joe Quinn.

"Most investigators point to evidence of "explosives" and "squibs" in video footage of the collapse of the two towers, yet to effect the complete destruction of so much concrete and office material, a massive quantity of explosives would surely have been required, and such a quantity is simply not evident in the available footage. As has been suggested by Professor Jones, an advanced and publicly unknown form of "superthermite" was probably used to cut the steel core beams of the WTC towers, which leaves open the possibility that other similarly advanced and publicly unknown technology was used to disintegrate the concrete that constituted the body of the towers. In this case, it would not be responsible or wise for me to theorize about what specific device or technique was used to turn the towers to dust, however, I will say that `sound´ and `light´ weapons have been developed in the past 20 years by the U.S. and Israeli military that are capable of `invisibly´ destroying hardened targets. To that I will add that part of the prepping of the WTC towers could have included the planting of `conductors´ to effect the propagation of such an induced wave throughout the buildings and thereby causing the vaporization of concrete and human bodies alike." Source and rest of article:

Introducing the Particle-Beam Weapon by Dr. Richard M. Roberds; published in Air University Review, July-August 1984

Millimeter-wave energy to be used in a weapon by Peter Clarke; published in EE Times June 6, 2001

US hails airborne laser as weapons milestone, ABC News, October 29, 2006

laura-knight...-
jadczyk.blogspot.com/2007/09/ultra-terrestrials-and-911.html

Because of ATS's rules and regulations I cannot quote the entire article but the article goes on to explain Seismic readings in the 911 area for that day and picture analyst along with other evidence that 911 was probably a space age weapon of mass destruction (particle beam) and a false flag operation carried out with the help of our good old friend, Israel.

Now, America has been known to be the only country thus far to bantantly use weapons of mass destruction, not once but twice in 1945. As stated before, there are certain lines that once you cross them, like murder, there is no going back.

Again, in my own humble opinion, after much research, I believe that America, The Bush Administration, in kahoots with Israel, perpetrated 911 as a false flag operation.

We have been fighting Iraq, Afganistan and now Iran for Israel. We are their (the n word). And the towers were destroyed by particle beam weapons.

I'm not going to come back here and dicker with the rest of you. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But, I would strongly suggest before you criticize my opinon to read the above book.

Many observers have suggested that Israel had foreknowledge of the 9/11� terrorists attacks. Some have even argued that they may have been behind the� attacks, and it seems that the funny stories about Israelis with trucks and bad papers just keep popping up here and there.

On September 11, five employees of Jewish owned Urban Moving Company were detained as a result of� witness accounts that they were taking pictures of the flaming ruins of the� World Trade Center and celebrating!

Yes indeedy! Shortly after the collapse of the towers a witness called the police and� reported that the 5 individuals were, �going to unusual lengths to photograph� the World Trade Center ruins� and they were obviously and blatantly �making light of the� situation.�� The witness stated that these men were on the roof of the office� of their employer, Urban Moving Company, and were posing, dancing, and� laughing.� [New York Times 10/8/01;� Bergen Record 9/12/01;�� Ha'aretz 9/17/01;�� Gotham Gazette 11/2/01]

After their indiscreet celebration on the roof of the building, the five Israelis headed down to� a nearby parking lot where they mounted the roof of their truck and resumed� their photographing and celebrating.� Another witness called the police and� told them that the men were smiling, dancing, and giving each other high-fives while viewing the destruction of the symbol of Free Enterprise in America.�� [Gotham Gazette 11/2/01;� ABC News, 6/21/02]

A few hours later, the five Israelis were stopped by police while driving their� truck.� One individual had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock, while another had� two foreign passports.� They were also found to be in the possession of a box- cutter, which they presumably had because of their job as professional movers.�� [New York Times 10/8/01;�� Gotham Gazette 11/2/01;�� ABC News, 6/21/02]

On September 14, Dominic Suter, the owner of the moving company, left the� country very abruptly after FBI agents indicated that they wanted a second� interview with him.� According to ABC News� 20/20 [ABC News 6/21/02], �Three� months later� 20/20's cameras photographed the inside of Urban Moving, and it� looked as if the business had been shut down in a big hurry. Cell phones were� lying around; office phones were still connected; and the property of dozens of� clients remained in the warehouse.� The owner had also cleared out of his New� Jersey home, put it up for sale and returned with his family to Israel.�� [New� Jersey Department of Law and Public Safety, 12/13/01;� Gotham Gazette 11/2/01;�� ABC News, 6/21/02;�� Forward, 3/15/02]

Source: www.cassiopaea.org...

The more I researche 911 the more I keep coming to the conclusion that The Bush Administration in connection with Israel were indeed behind 911. Start looking into how much the US, Our tax dollars are being handed over to Israel.

Alex Kane
Aletho News
Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:16 CDT

If the GOP's electoral wins next week are enough to take over Congress, one thing they've pledged to do is "stop out-of-control spending," as their "Pledge to America" policy blueprint says. But don't even think about touching the over $3 billion in annual aid the United States gives to Israel.

Politico's Laura Rozen reports, via the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, that House Republican whip Eric Cantor "would propose separating U.S. aid to Israel from the foreign operations budget, which the GOP may vote to defund":
Cantor, of Virginia, said he wants to protect funding for Israel should that situation arise.

"Part of the dilemma is that Israel has been put in the overall foreign aid looping," he said when asked about the increasing tendency of Republicans in recent years to vote against foreign operations appropriations. "I'm hoping we can see some kind of separation in terms of tax dollars going to Israel."

Cantor's statement was a sign that the Republican leadership was ready to defer to the party's right wing on this matter. Some on the GOP right have suggested including Israel aid in the defense budget, and a number of Tea Party-backed candidates have said they would vote against what is known in Congress as "foreign ops."

The Republican Party (as well as some Democrats) wants to decrease Social Security benefits, among other austerity measures, in their effort to reduce government spending. But government funding of an illegal and racist occupation? Keep the cash flowing.
Source: www.sott.net...

And now, Obama seems to be doing the same exact thing, he is still a puppet for TPTB, The real power, look where the money is...........look at who the people are who own the banks and financial institutes. Most are Jewish. (And I am not prejudice, I am saying this from the 45+ books I have read concerning 911).

Simply do your own research and follow the money trail. Who has profitted from these wars.

Many ATSers are gun ho for executing the poor retarded slob that kills one, two, three people - but completely ignore the BIG BOYS that are killing millions of humans by their greed.

Another book to give you a good perspective on evil and it's workings is Political Ponerology: A Science on The Nature of Evil adjusted for Political Purposes by Andrew M. Lobaczewski.

Know your true enemy, and know how they think, read Political Ponerology and 911, The Ultimate Truth for a insight that explains the big picture.

PS: The two books listed are pricey but worth every penny.

Knowledge is power. The power to cut your slavery chains and become a free man/woman.

Just start researching into how in bed America is with Israel. Look at the funding we provide Israel, that alone speaks volumes...........The money trail leads to Corporations, our banks and Israel.........where the real power is.

Hey Great post, Ive learned a bit that i didnt know before... But What about the "Power Downs" in the week prior to 9/11 also? And wasnt one of Bushes close relatives(brother or cousin) doing security at the WTC towers during 9/11 when those power downs happened?

Lord Jules, that post was priceless...

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Thanks for the link to the Frontline piece on John Oneill. Nice to see hear the story from people that knew him. I do think another story from FBI whistle blower SIbel Edmonds needs to be added.

Google Video Link

Also, don't forget the missing trillions that was never mentioned again. I do believe those records were destroyed, miraculously, by the events of 9/11. It's just a coincidence, though, really nothing to bother with, nudge nudge wink wink say no more.

Everybody know the official story doesnt add up, who is going to do something about it...

The media wont cover the fight for the truth... I think we are stuck.

Originally posted by TheLoony
reply to post by kiwifoot
[Also, don't forget the missing trillions that was never mentioned again. I do believe those records were destroyed, miraculously, by the events of 9/11. It's just a coincidence, though, really nothing to bother with, nudge nudge wink wink say no more.

Bloody hi-larious!

"Never mentioned again", except when they were mentioned 5 months later

Billions of dollars of DoD taxpayer-provided money haven't disappeared, Zakheim said. "Missing" expenditures are often reconciled a bit later in the same way people balance their checkbooks every month. The bank closes out a month and sends its bank statement, he said. In the meanwhile, people write more checks, and so they have to reconcile their checkbook register and the statement.

DoD financial experts, Zakheim said, are making good progress reconciling the department's "lost" expenditures, trimming them from a prior estimated total of $2.3 trillion to $700 billion. And, he added, the amount continues to drop.

www.defense.gov...

Great post OP, I have read most before and admire your stance on not taking one. The truth will never come out all we can to is not forget it.

F and S from Gooney

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Another well put together thread Mr. Foot....

I'm still reading it, but so far so good...thanks..

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Might as well have been "never again". Oh, I see, it's only $700 billion now. So that makes a difference?

It was just recordkeeping, then? Just like the bankers tell us when a discrepancy is found on their books?

"Don't worry, it's just the way we cook, erm, um, keep our books. Nothing to see here, move along......"

Sure.

Oh for god sake give up already. JFK was shot from obvious multiple locations and all these years on you and your government don’t seem to care. Try and solve one overly blatant case before you try another.

The time is gone.

50 years from now not one of you will give a crap, because you will have your own death on your minds.

Originally posted by TheLoony
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Might as well have been "never again". Oh, I see, it's only $700 billion now. So that makes a difference?

A difference to the tune of $1,6 trillion.

And it shoots a hole through your "they lost the money and never talked about it again".

Want to hear something else I found funny? The story wasn't even new on 9/10 2001. Here's an article from 03/03 2000: hv.greenspun.com...