Think You Know Everything About The Gulf Oil Spill? Well Think Again! Prepare To Be Rocked To Th

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Here in Southeastern Michigan the air smells like chemicals in the morning mostly around 6am-7am. The air smells like a mixture of chlorine, sulfur, and some other chemicals I can't describe. In the summer I stopped leaving my windows open at night because I would wake up congested and feeling like total crap.

This is incredible it is one of the coolest (while being pretty freaky) thing I've heard in a while. This is an awesome thread. To bad there is almost nothing we, normal folks, can do about it.

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I don't really have anything to offer to this thread, as I do not respond well to certain angles of presentation, but I feel an urge to comment on the title.

Is there really anyone among us that feel they knew "EVERYTHING" about the Gulf oil spill, in the first place?

You are obviously intelligent, so therefore it should be safe to assume you would be capable of offering a better choice of words.

Trivial in comparison to what you are presenting, granted. Just a casual observation on my part.

Whoah whoah whoah... everybody slow down.

I would like to start this whole thing here with a disclaimer of sorts, since I don't post on here very often and there is a very good chance that anyone who reads this will not know my handle. I an environmental toxicologist in training (currently in grad school doing work with the Eastern oyster and oxidative stress responses to heavy metals) and I have at least some professional experience with topics outlined in the article. I think BP can go to hell, and the response from the government has been shameful/criminal. The work that Craig Venter does is both extremely powerful and fundamentally frightening (though also having a great capacity for doing fantastic good). The dispersant used has done incalculable harm to the whole Gulf system and it would be my guess has amplified the rates of acute illness across the region significantly. Chances are, a good many folks down there are going to end up with a whole suite of cancers and that whole ecosystem is super boned for a long, long time.

That said...

This article is remarkably poorly written with a number of serious scientific errors; errors which even a crude biologist/ecologist worth their salt would not make. There are numerous times throughout the article where the writer simply strings together a series of dissociated scientific terms and clumsily/redundantly makes either obvious or simply not true points. While I am not saying that the article isn't half true (and it might be, I don't know), I would suggest employing an ample amount of skepticism and caution when reading it. If there were a widespread mycoplasma pandemic sweeping the region, people would very quickly find out about it. As well, bacteria don't just randomly, successfully infect multicellular species. The process of establishing a new primary host species is a very long process (even/especially if it is engineered... ), often fraught with incalculable failures for every one success. Your immune system is one of the greatest and most powerful systems that has ever evolved.

Also... and this is an important example, the reason that penicillin does not affect mycoplasma, is because mycoplasma does not have a cell wall. It isn't considered gram negative, but it sure as heck isn't gram positive. Penicillin attacks the ability for a gram positive bacteria to synthesize a cell wall from peptidoglycan. Mycoplasma has no peptidoglycan. This is but one example of the serious basic, scientific errors in this article.

As a final thought, I wouldn't worry too much about the whole "connecting the dots" thing here. Some of the article is based in fact, but there is a good bit of it that is supremely questionable. I am about as big a conspiracy theorist as they come, but this whole thing stinks with amateur fear mongering. Just my two cents.

Keep in mind, this is only the #### they tell us about.

:S

An article appears and it's all true? A synthetic cell than mutates into whatever it touches, and some of you are saying we need aliens to arrive to sort us out? Oh God, the men in white coats are coming............

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Has anyone heard about Halliburton in the news the last few days? Seems fingers are being pointed in their direction....again. We may have them to thank for all the sickness, etc. Here's a tidbit:

www.sfgate.com.../g/a/2010/10/29/bloomberg1376-LB0FGH0YHQ0X01-49IIRJQQ3GJHPUF3TS3ICAVBU1.DTL

Originally posted by harrytuttle
In-other-words, get ready for a "DNA spill". This artificial DNA (ADNA) is going to spill into all of our cells instead of just oil into the ocean.

Our cells, or cells like this other bacteria that has been known since 1999. Imagine a Synthia infected version of the bacteria below, acquiring the antibiotic resistance and other enhanced abilities.

Steel-eating microbes threaten to devour Britain's ports

The study, by an engineering wing of the British Standards Institute, found that as the bacteria grows, it gathers in the nooks and crannies of underwater structures and produces an acid which eats into the metal, turning it bright orange.

One of the specialist engineers tackling the problem said he was "horrified" by what he had seen. "The bacteria can go through sheet piling like a knife through butter," said Craig Donald, director of CorrOcean, in Aberdeen.

A manager of a second firm of Scottish corrosion engineers admitted his firm has found what he describes as "strange and virulent beasties" in water as deep as 180 metres. Felixstowe has been particularly badly hit. British Steel is so concerned at the potential for damage it has experimented with 30 paint formulations in an attempt to find one that resists attacks on sheet piling.

Doesn't that look and sound like this?







They removed the original BOP (transported to the government for examination) from the water and it seems to have infected the steel of the ship deck.



Now imagine this stuff spreading in the rain, any object (metal, rope, plastic, even sand) or person coming in contact with the infection water on vacation, any urine/blood/spit from an infected person into their toilet/sink/shower and into the local water system.

Revelation 8:9-10

The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain [Deep Water Horizon platform?], all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star [methane explosion from the Gulf?], blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— the name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.

It sounds like Cabin Fever 2 but worse:

www.fearnet.com...

And of course I have to plug how this ties into the bigger picture:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Typical ATS fear mongering at its best.
So this is the next "the sky is falling" thread hu?
weak...very weak.

Originally posted by Ian the Christian

Revelation 8:9-10

The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain [Deep Water Horizon platform?], all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star [methane explosion from the Gulf?], blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— the name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.

You're absolutely right. Most people are too arrogant to see this and the death that it has caused simply because the media does not report it. There has not been mass death of humans yet in the region because they will survive long enough to spread the infection.

People need to pull their heads out of their asses and realize that the next 20 years will lead the world to a very horrible place full of dark skies, polar disparity, war, death, rape, famine and dispair. This is what humanity deserves for trying to engineer nature, and we will reap what we sow. The billions of people who now live in pure ignorance will become new lakes of oil for a future Earth and the enlightened ones can only watch, if we don't all die in the hell that we've created for ourselves.

And if we really want to get biblical, the orange coloured metal-eating viral bacteria reminds me of the obscure angel Iruel ("Fear of God"), though it would surprise me if anyone catches this reference.

If this becomes pandemic, the vaccine makers will hold the power of life and death over us all.

BP - Savior, Enslaver

The only choice left to the refuseniks would be isolation to avoid getting the contagion.

Not much for choices, eh?

Originally posted by paxnatus
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Thank you for posting the video's. It was around 3AM when this went up and I was too tired to post those.
I really appreciate it!

Morgellons is a piece of the puzzle! I will be writing an article for our website soon (testtherain.com) revealing what was found in the first rain water sample we collected from South West MO. You will be shocked!

Pax

The Missouri rain? Was that the one that was so incredibly foamy?

Thank you, Pax, for posting the article. I have sent it out to everyone i know.

You and Clouds are true warriors.

As so many of us have said for months now, the long-term and wide spread effects of the crimes committed in our Gulf will not be fully known for decades.

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I had to go right to an expert source on this one after reading the article. My cousin attends one of the top 3 genome-research facilities in the US right now. He trains directly under a Nobel Laureate scientist, blah blah..can't get too specific about details of his credentials because I honestly couldn't care less, but know that my cousin was one of the top candidates for all this stuff and attended a top ivy-league school prior to his current gig for his Phd.

I sent him the link to the article and he replied: "I'm on my phone so I can't write an essay, but basically, whoever wrote that article is a moron that can make anything into a world ending catastrophe. The jcvi "artificial cell" contains no artificial genes.....where did you get that?"

Just FWIW...obviously I don't know one way or the other...but I DO know that he's immersed in some of the bleeding edge work on this kind of thing.

Google
jcvi "artificial cell"
I guess the news lies.

I'm not seeing any credibility.

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And especially scATS, welcome to ATS. Where some people here actually have the ability to research real science.

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[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/3fa9ca247945.jpg[/atsimg]

www.jcvi.org...

I would suggest you all click on that link. Go ahead...of course prepare to eat your words.

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I respect your opinion. Now I would like to comment on a few of your quotes........

The article is not poorly written perhaps misunderstood. As I stated in my OP, I am working with Dr. Riki Ott reknowned toxicologist whose legacy belongs to her research with the Exxon Valdez spill. I happen to know things about the illness infecting the people in the Gulf that thegeneral public does not. I am a nurse with 15 years trauma experience along with infectious diseases. I have done extensive research along the lines of what exactly is happening to real people in the gulf region. Including personally talking with several everyday.

As well, bacteria don't just randomly, successfully infect multicellular species. The process of establishing a new primary host species is a very long process (even/especially if it is engineered... ), often fraught with incalculable failures for every one success.

The article states

.In 2003, JCVI successfully synthesized a small virus that infects bacteria. By 2008, the JCVI team was able to synthesize a small bacterial genome. On May 6, 2010, JCVI revealed they had already created a self-replicating bacterial cell controlled by a chemically synthesized genome they named “synthetic Mycoplasma mycoides.

Within those bacteria are several gram- and gram+ bacterium. People have been dying of the Flesh eating bacteria in the gulf normally the bacterium responsible is streptococcus A however, here is an article stating vibrio vulnificus is responsible. West Orlando News. The Flesh eating bacteria is rare, but to have 7 people die within a few weeks of one another, is really bizarre!

the reason that penicillin does not affect mycoplasma, is because mycoplasma does not have a cell wall. It isn't considered gram negative, but it sure as heck isn't gram positive. Penicillin attacks the ability for a gram positive bacteria to synthesize a cell wall from peptidoglycan. Mycoplasma has no peptidoglycan. This is but one example of the serious basic, scientific errors in this article.

Yes, you are right about the bacteria not having a cell wall, that is because typically mycoplasma are classified as a fungus they act in the same way a fungus replicates, however they have been classifed by some taxonomists as bacteria. They don't respond to typical drugs in the Penicillin class but they will respond to other antibiotics. They respond well to antifungals, Amphotericin B being the number 1 choice.

As a final thought, I wouldn't worry too much about the whole "connecting the dots" thing here. Some of the article is based in fact, but there is a good bit of it that is supremely questionable. I am about as big a conspiracy theorist as they come, but this whole thing stinks with amateur fear mongering. Just my two cents.

Here is where you and I differ. This I'm afraid is not a conspiracy theory this is reality.

Thanks for your post.
Pax

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I respect your opinion. With that said I would also like to point out a few facts regarding your quotes...

Originally posted by Tetradeth
I'm not seeing any credibility.

That old saying....you can lead a horse....

The work to create the first synthetic bacterial cell was not easy, and took this team approximately 15 years to complete. Along the way they had to develop new tools and techniques to construct large segments of genetic code, and learn how to transplant genomes to convert one species to another. The 1.08 million base pair synthetic M. mycoides genome is the largest chemically defined structure ever synthesized in the laboratory

www.jcvi.org...

There is a lot of sound information on this thread. I have to digest it all.

I am no expert in biochemistry but I know there's some serious tinkering going on. Where biotechnology meets, it makes a new life form.

Well at least Synthia isn't creatively intelligent? She's just programmed to do what she's told to do and has very specific needs and synthetic instincts?

I can't hate her and I don't know if I wanna love her but I do know that I want to understand her, at least on an elementary level. Indifference isn't an option.

Star

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First it needs to be understood that I did not write this article, I am only the messenger. Second, when working in matters of a very controversial nature there is such a thing as compartmentalizing. Do you honestly believe the many scientist that participated in this project knew what it was to be used for?

Look at the references used to put the information together.

Duke University
Scientific American
BioBasics
National Institutes of Health, National Center for Biotechnology Information