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The "evil" U.S. and iraq

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posted on Jun, 29 2004 @ 08:07 AM
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Whoa MWM! I was just looking at your points and they went from somwhere near 500 to 12!!! what happened??!




posted on Jun, 29 2004 @ 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
To the people in the rest of the world, "Please don't hate us and our country but just the leaders of our country."



Marg, I have a lot of American friends who are some of the most friendly and down to earth people I know. In my country there are also some very ignorant people who spout the same crap about [insert nation here] needing to be carpet bombed or nuked, or choose to believe everything that comes out of a politicians mouth as the truth...much like some of the people on this forum. This tells you that there are fools everywhere. America has plenty of decent people.

Anyway, I don't hate those who think that for some divine reason they are superior human beings to anyone else on the planet. I feel sorry for them, they are intellectually retarded.



posted on Jun, 29 2004 @ 08:25 AM
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Siliounous I bought some stuff.



posted on Jun, 29 2004 @ 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by mwm1331
First of all Muppet the entire debate had to do with whether the U.S. or canada had more cultural diversity.
Second the fact is better than 80% of canadians are of european origin. Meaning of european bloodline. (I.E. french german etc.)
My contention was that as a very small percentage of canadian immigrants were from non-european gene pools the United States had more cultural diversity.


Sorry, I think we are probably talking at cross purposes here.. this thread has strayed a bit from you're orginal post so I guess there's a point where we see different aspects of it.

I wasn't referring to Canada in any way. I was pointing out the Europe is more culturally diverse than the US.



The point I was making is that a group of europeans (not imigrants to europe but those whose families have been in europe for centuries or more) will not have as much diversity as a group of people from a larger geographical range.
I made the point about tin trading in the bronze age to illustrate that european cultures have been interacting with and influencing each other for at least a 1000 years. As a result of this interaction, to some extent, all of the cultures in europe share many commonalities.
Now I will ask again can you deny that the cultures of europe have all had a major influence on each other?
Can you deny that manyf european cultures are more similar than dissimilar?


I think it would depend on what you define as a a "European culture". You could simply say English is one culture, and French is another, for example. By this definition, yes of course theses cultures are similar. If you choose to define a culture way though, you would also have to say American is one culture.

You can't break down American culture into it's constituent parts, without also doing the same for Europe. And when you DO break each one done into it's "sub-cultures", you will find that Europe is indeed more diverse.



Can you really state that the level of similarity is not greater between say the germans and the italians than it is between the koreans and the brazialians?


It depend.. I'd need to know more about the German in question? is he Arab? Jewish? Chinese? What about the Italian?

There are lots of catholics in Korea and Brazil, so it could well be the the Italian and the German are more different.

Do you see what I'm saying? European diversity is not measured by comparing the French, the English and the Italians, anymore than US diversity is measure by comparing Arizona to Arkansas.

Instead you need to look at things like language, history, art, philosophy, and yes even things like wars and persecution to see how diverse Europe is, and always has been.



posted on Jun, 29 2004 @ 08:55 AM
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Cargo,


Marg, I have a lot of American friends who are some of the most friendly and down to earth people I know.


You are right we have some of the most beautiful people in the world living in US. I am goin to sound morbid here not offense, we the americans and comun people should have the choice to trade our hostages in Iraq for one of our politicians that agree with this war. Better yet how about the familiy of the hostage to have that choice.

What you think people after all they are the ones that made the decicion to go to Iraq not us. Right?
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posted on Jun, 29 2004 @ 11:42 AM
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JackAtMtn:

Also if I remember correctly it wasn't until we (United States of America) got involved that the German "blitz" was repelled and defeated, yes alot of countries were involved but without the U.S. victory was not possible.


No, you don't remember correctly. Russia did more to win WWII than the USA did.

Did you know that there were more Brits and CANADIANS on the beaches of Normandy on the D-Day invasion than there were AMERICANS?

Of the five beaches taken, the one that held the longest was Omaha Beach, one of the two that the AMERICANS hit?


Well you have to make certain feats of imagination to understand the way Americans look out on the world, they are after all one of the most isolated people on earth. In a way they are even more isolated than Australians and New Zealanders, I mean youre comparatively near South East Asia, whereas the Americans arent near anything and they really have terrible difficulty understanding that there are other civilisations out there, and their culture is largely controlled by people in New York and Los Angeles.

Unless a deliberate attempt is made to remind them that other people are involved in things that Americans do, they dont think anybody is. They think they do everything themselves.


www.abc.net.au...

The USA was ONE part of the Allies, and you didn't give a rat's butt about murdered Jews and the Nazi War Machine until Pearl Harbor was bombed in 1941, so spare me your "the US is the savior of the world" BS.


Fight Ignorance harder.



posted on Jun, 29 2004 @ 11:48 AM
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mwm1331:

As to political freedom being greater in Canada I think your mistaken, Your coutry is very heavily socialised which by nature leads to less freedom. If you can show proof as to how your country is more poltically free than the U.S. plese do.


Um, how about the fact we have less of our population in jail than the US? Laxer abortion laws, laxer drug laws, FAR LAXER CENSORSHIP (you can swear on national TV during prime time), no death penalty, no Patriot Act.


If you think that prejudice and Racism is nonexistant in Canada you are deluded.
However its not as noticeable partially because Canada is NOWHERE near as diverse a population as the U.S. I mean its kinda hard to be racist when everyone is white don't you think?


WOW! Have you ever been to Canada, because that's the funniest thing I've read in a long time. Canada is TOTALLY more diverse than the U.S.. Wide open immigration, TONS of multinationals, a hugely diverse culture.

So have you ever been to Canada, and if not what are you basing your LAUGHABLE opinion on?



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 02:22 AM
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In reference to world war two
Yes the allies did work toghether and no the U.S. did not win it alone, however the fact remains the war could not have been won without the U.S. Why? Simple, industrial strentgh.
Liberty ships, the sherman tank, etc. The fact is had the U.S. not been there the allies would not have had the material to fight. BTW the U.S. was giving the U.K. logistical, and material support well before pearl harbor.
As to canada think what you want I'm tired of debating people incapable of using logic or facts. All I can say is thank god I'm an American



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 03:43 AM
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As for what we (Americans) were chosen by god for, we were chosen to lead all peoples on the road to a democratic government, to fight injustice, and spread the words of tolerance and diversity which my nation was founded on.


you are high on your own self worth, this attitude is not welcomed by the world in my opinion. That statement seriously makes you sound like a nazi with an excuse to invade others and enforce your form of government on them.

Come back down to earth.

You are not somehow better than everyone else because you are "American"

You have not been chosen by God to invade other countries in his name

Your form of government is not better than anyone elses in my honest opinion, your president doesnt even debate in parlament like england or australia. He is untouchable.

I am half American, i live in Australia.

[edit on 30-6-2004 by electric squid carpet]



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 04:09 AM
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The president doesn't debate in Congress because the president is not a law maker.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 04:10 AM
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neither are our prime ministers



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 04:14 AM
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Then why would he debate in congress?



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 04:32 AM
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To fullfill his role as the countries leader, to verbally discuss policies and other problems/situations/issues with the entire parlament unscripted and on the spot while being filmed on tv for the people to watch at home if they wish.

None of this behind closed doors trust in us bullsh*t.
Its there before the public....your leader debating the issues of his country on live tv, without speach writers or anyother PR.

If our leader is not fit to publicly discuss issues intelligently and unscripted live in parlament for 3 hours a day he is unfit to be our leader.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 04:41 AM
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If our leader was spending 3 hours a day debating with congress he wouldnt have time to lead. The fact is the job of the president is so time consuming he can't. Besides personally I think having him make policy decisions is far preferential to him debating his decisions. As for the "trust us bu**shi*" thats the whole point of the american political system, to vote for a canddate you trust and allow him to make the decisions. Its called a representative republic and its what America is.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 04:50 AM
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Also and I dont mean to offend, but the fact is the president of the United States has a LOT more on his plate than the P.M. of australia. A small business owner has time to chat with his customers about the weather, the Ceo of a billion dollar company does not. America has larger population, a larger economy, a larger military etc. By nature there are more issues for him to deal with



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 04:53 AM
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If our leader was spending 3 hours a day debating with congress he wouldnt have time to lead.


I dont agree, our prime minister uses this time (question time) to put foward policies and issues that effect everyone and the country as a whole, the oppisition puts forward their policies and issues and then they debate and eventually compromise, all on tv. I find it unusuall that the news networks like CNN and fox do half the work for the politicians in your country. Question time in our government is the most important part of being leader, more important than travelling around waving to people and making robotic speaches.

EDIT: i remember when Bush came to Australia and spoke in our parliment, a member from one of our parties stood up and tried to debate him after his speech, bush was dumbstruck, he didnt know what to do, all he could say was "i love free speech".

[edit on 30-6-2004 by electric squid carpet]



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 04:57 AM
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Im not trying to offend either, sorry. Im just trying to say that its wrong to think the US has been chosen by God and your political system is the best for everyone and you must convert people to it.

[edit on 30-6-2004 by electric squid carpet]



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 05:00 AM
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Vacation Politics

Prior to Sept. 11, 2001, The Manchester Guardian calculated that Mr. Bush, in his first seven months of office spent 42 percent of his time on holiday, "a whopping 54 days at his Texas ranch, 38 days at the presidential retreat at Camp David and four more at his parents' place in Kennebunkport, Maine."

That changed when the job became fundamentally more serious after the terrorist attacks. But Mr. Bush still rests, although his month-long retreat of August 2001 the longest presidential vacation in 32 years is no longer politically prudent while the war on terrorism is being waged.

Just another causality of post-Sept. 11 America, one assumes. Presidents vacationing less; well, so is the rest of America, an industrialized world low, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. After three years on the job, Americans average a measly 10.2 days off a year.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 05:03 AM
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Also and I dont mean to offend, but the fact is the president of the United States has a LOT more on his plate than the P.M. of australia. A small business owner has time to chat with his customers about the weather, the Ceo of a billion dollar company does not. America has larger population, a larger economy, a larger military etc. By nature there are more issues for him to deal with



A small business owner has to manage everything.

A CEO of a large corporation does nothing but golf, do photo ops and give speeches. The day to day affairs are handled by the mindnumbing number of subordinates the CEO maintains.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 05:06 AM
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Originally posted by electric squid carpet
you are high on your own self worth, this attitude is not welcomed by the world in my opinion. That statement seriously makes you sound like a nazi with an excuse to invade others and enforce your form of government on them.
[edit on 30-6-2004 by electric squid carpet]


Funny... I'd got that impression too!!



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