posted on Nov, 5 2010 @ 12:36 PM
Originally posted by JimOberg
Originally posted by FireMoon
reply to post by JimOberg
Persoanlly, i find him a darn sight more credible than "It's truth but not as we know it Jim Oberg"
It's a common temptation to quickly believe input that already agrees with what we believe, and we're all subject to that bias. That's why serious
investigators know to make themselves check even harder stuff that they recognize as reenforcing pre-existing views.
So when you read (from Sightings TV) that "In April of 1979, Cosmonaut Victor Afanasyev lifted off from Star City to dock with the Soviet Solyut 6
space station," a reasonable first step would be to verify checkable facts:
Did Afanasyev blast off in April 1979?
Do cosmonauts lift off from 'Star City'?
Did Afanasyev dock with a space station "Solyut 6" (a typo for "Salyut 6")?
You are able to perform these simple checks, I presume. Please do so and report results, and the implications of those results.
Are any of those statements true?
With those results, you may make an estimate of how much you can rely on the narrator's description of the Russian commentary from Afanasyev. You may
feel it is justified to try and determine how much of the original Russian is being accurately translated. Or not -- depends on your calibration from
the article's first three alleged facts.
I'm guessing you have no intent to reply to this challenge about how you trust the Afanasyev story more than you trust me, so here are the answers,
for the other readers on this thread.
Firemoon evidently trusts that Afanasyev blasted off in April 1979, as the story states. Every other documented source agrees with me, that Afanasyev
didn't become a cosmonaut until 1985 and made his first spaceflight in 1991. But Firemoon evidently believes that we are all wrong and his TV program
source is right.
Firemoon evidently trusts that Russian cosmonauts lift off from 'Star City' in Russia? Every other documented source agrees with me, that 'Star city'
is the name of the cosmonaut training center NE of Moscow, and that all cosmonauts lift off from the Baykonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan, about 2000
miles away. But Firemoon evidently believes that we are all wrong and his TV program source is right.
Firemoon evidently trusts that Afanasyev docked with the space station "Salyut 6". Every other documented source agrees with me, that Salyut-6 fell
out of orbit years before Afanasyev even became a cosmonaut-trainee, and that all his space dockings were with Mir and the International Space
Station. But Firemoon evidently believes that we are all wrong and his TV program source is right.
Firemoon evidently trusts that Afanasyev saw and drew an alien spaceship (while aboard Salyut-6 in 1979), based on a narrator's reading of what is
claimed to be Afanasyev's own words. May I suggest that an unbiased observer would want to get a much better source of accurate space information,
considering this TV program's track record on the claims it makes that CAN be independently checked -- and debunked. But Firemoon evidently believes
that we are all wrong and his TV program source is right.
Born 1948, selected as cosmonaut 1985, made three visits to Mir (Soyuz TM-11, Feb 1990; Soyuz TM-18, Aug 1994; Soyuz TM-29, Feb 1999) and one to the
ISS (Soyuz TM-33, Oct 2001). All launched from Baykonur.
edit on 5-11-2010 by JimOberg because: link