theroy of gravitaional warp naturally occouring at bow shock

There is a bigger system to the solar system than were aware
Starting from the outside inwards
There is a space medium termed local fluff that is in effect a hot electrically charged cloud of gases expelled from a supernova that our helio-sphere is travelling through.


At the helio sphere bow wake this thick gas cloud is parted (in what looks like a boat bow pushing through water) requires a massive amount of energy to part the gas and stop it from transgressing the bow shock to the helio sphere itself.


The amount of force required to push a boat through the water creating a bow wave in the water, can be likened to the local fluff because the local fluff surprisingly resists compression and is surprisingly resistant when encountered as a whole


When our heliosphere encounters and parts the super hot gas cloud it is creating a gravitational effect infront of the bow wave drawing the whole solar system as a unit towards it.
This forward momentum increases the density building up at the bow shock increasing the amount of gas being parted which in turn, creates more of a gravitational distortion. This distortion is in the fabric of space time and allows the solar system to self induce energy into the solar system, a feed back loop of sorts.
So this massive amount of energy is required to hold back the universe (hot gas cloud)
Could be coming from the centre of our solar system
The amount of energy in
Heat hot gas clouds
Magnetism magnetically charged gas clouds
Electrical friction from the two different temperatures and density boundrys
Pressure the compression forces on the inside of the helio sphere
We are talking about alot of energy being imparted from the solar system to hold back a different medium local fluff
Its obvious the energy to do this has to be coming from the sun and projecting energy out wards in all directions. so how much energy being expelled from the sun is required to hold back the universe?
Well using an electrical model of the solar system i considered two things
An electrical force parting the local fluff (hot gas)
Or a gravity distortion (because of the nature of the mass in the cloud ie plasma)
Then it made sense that both could occour in a natural way providing a propulsive force for the system as a whole.
The fact that the solar system is moving through a plasma, induces energy into the system and pressurizes (compresses the helio sphere) and the effects of this compressive force over time build up oscillations. This compress the local space time in side evenly in a wave that travels from the outside to the inside. as the wave nears the centre it creasts with all the wave energy compressing into a finite point


When this energy crests it creates a point in space where atoms collapse together and increase their mass as they do so. This collapse/expansion of atoms from a frequency induced sonoluminesence
sonoluminesence
This attracts atoms and mass to the center of the frequency creast (center of sun)
And imparts momentum, heat and energy into the atoms.
The sun broadcasts energy from its centre outward in massive amounts in
Plasma
Heat
Light
Solar wind
Electrically charged atoms
Is there a more complex system of energy entering our solar system than the ones we see reflected to use from our sun ?
xploder
here is a link to another idea
wave form of matter

I see you textbook example and understand what you (or rather it) is trying to say. Generally speaking your are talking about an opposing force from the universe we are in. Say an energyflux if you will and that our solarsystem is creating a gasbarrier by the suns outward energy that leaks back into our system as a feedback loop at the edges of our solarsystem. It indeed is an interesting phenomena but it also creates some other knowledge. e.g.; the force from the outside seems as a threat, and it certainly would be if it would overhwelm the suns opposing force, but if the outside force would not exist the forced loopback into the sun would not exist and thus shorten the lifespan of our solarsystem as energy would be wasting away.

On the flipside, you could catch a wave on the edge of the solarsystem into a reverse side of the opposing outspacewave to utilise a near speed of light craft for almost zero energy. But i guess humanity is not ready for that yet.

reply to post by AncientShade


the text book like example was supplyed to me by an ats member who read one of my other threads
what makes you say the human race isnt yet ready for this information ?
interstella travel
a natural bend in space time if attracting the helio sphere would prove the warp theory possable in nature
im ready for that

xploder

reply to post by XPLodER

Well, you theory text book example is just fine. It's just that solarsailing at the edge of the solar system following the naturally occuring helio-conveyorbelt is something humanity is not ready for. Your theory is sound in that way that it is actually possible to harness the out conveyorbelt from the front back to the sun will make you travel extremely fast for almost zero energy. It's just that humanity does not pose the means yet to do it.

Theory for going faster then light or warp? Well, not really you would go near speed of light, but considering you get a free slingshotride it is a pretty damn good deal. SJust make sure you steer out of the path or you end up...ehr well you know in that great ball of light called the sun. (yes, that would be bad)

reply to post by AncientShade


yes i see your point about being slower than the speed of light
i always like to copy my designs from nature
if it works in nature and we can understand how it works
sometimes we can reproduce the effect

i like the sling shot idea too good thinking

xp

the effect of the waves cresting to the centre sets up a legrange point in space
where atoms are attacted
initially
the centre is the only point



but as its mass increases due to the nateral depression created the atoms "fall" together
and mass that is in the area form into a disc and at these seconardy legrange points allow for planets to form




xploder

heat is a very interesting thing
it radiates outwards
it transfers energy into the medium it is in contact with (convection)
heat can be radiated into space and obsorbed by objects it encounters
heat when used in a light bulb means exciting gas which creates light and heat from the vibrating atoms

xploder

If you take your last picture and look at L1 we can see that is the center of impact between te two forces of the suns compressed energy and the outer energy and L2 which is the access of energy redirected. Using the redirected force one could create a solarsail to move in the path from L1 to L2 using the outer lane that the waves follow (also, see illustration for that) and leave our solarsystem using only the force of the waves and still managing to travel near speed of light.

Unfortunatly I am short on time. Also, I do believe suchscience is beyond most of ATS here, many just want to talk about greys and sightings. Bit o a shame I suppose.

Originally posted by XPLodER
When our heliosphere encounters and parts the super hot gas cloud it is creating a gravitational effect infront of the bow wave drawing the whole solar system as a unit towards it.
This forward momentum increases the density building up at the bow shock increasing the amount of gas being parted which in turn, creates more of a gravitational distortion. This distortion is in the fabric of space time and allows the solar system to self induce energy into the solar system, a feed back loop of sorts.
So this massive amount of energy is required to hold back the universe (hot gas cloud)
Could be coming from the centre of our solar system
The amount of energy in
Heat hot gas clouds

So your theory could also point out that our Solar system effectively resides inside a cavitation bubble of sorts.

en.wikipedia.org...

Cavitation is the formation of vapor bubbles of a flowing liquid in a region where the pressure of the liquid falls below its vapor pressure. Cavitation is usually divided into two classes of behavior: inertial (or transient) cavitation, and noninertial cavitation. Inertial cavitation is the process where a void or bubble in a liquid rapidly collapses, producing a shock wave. Such cavitation often occurs in control valves, pumps, propellers, impellers, and in the vascular tissues of plants. Noninertial cavitation is the process in which a bubble in a fluid is forced to oscillate in size or shape due to some form of energy input, such as an acoustic field. Such cavitation is often employed in ultrasonic cleaning baths and can also be observed in pumps, propellers, etc. Since the shock waves formed by cavitation are strong enough to significantly damage moving parts, cavitation is usually an undesirable phenomenon. It is specifically avoided in the design of machines such as turbines or propellers, and eliminating cavitation is a major field in the study of fluid dynamics.

www.youtube.com...
bubble cavity collapse in artificial microgravity experiment

An interesting blog discussion on how the term of "super cavitation" came in fashion in internet forums.
defensetech.org...
Super Cavitation and the Truth


The question is, do interstellar heated gas cloud behavior resemble anything like the regular fluid dynamics we find in nature..

What would happen if our Solar system started being pushed faster inside our local electro magnetic bubble?
How should the peculiar data of of Voyager 1 and 2 after their crossing of the heliosheath be interpreted and researched regarding similarities of of interstellar gas clouds physics behavior versus regular fluid dynamics?

There is definitely a lot more going on out there than we care to observe or theorize about.

It doesn't need always everything to be just hot air or swamp gas, or at least sometimes hot air/gas could be big business!

reply to post by spacebot


thank you for you information
it seams you have an exelent understanding of the system i am proposing

The question is, do interstellar heated gas cloud behavior resemble anything like the regular fluid dynamics we find in nature..

What would happen if our Solar system started being pushed faster inside our local electro magnetic bubble?
How should the peculiar data of of Voyager 1 and 2 after their crossing of the heliosheath be interpreted and researched regarding similarities of of interstellar gas clouds physics behavior versus regular fluid dynamics?

There is definitely a lot more going on out there than we care to observe or theorize about.

It doesn't need always everything to be just hot air or swamp gas, or at least sometimes hot air/gas could be big business!

the fact that the local fluff was described as suprizingly hard to compress and surprizingly magnetic leads me to therorize that this gas is a super fluid
on a mass level it is encountered as a whole and behaves as a liquid ie resists compresion
on an atomic level each atom is encountered as an individual and the polerization occours between each atom and a fluid like responce is achieved as the atoms are aligned and sorted by charge

it seams to be a dynamic interaction with duel properties that in a way behave like fluid dynamics untill the bow shock is encountered at which point polerization occours and the mass is channelled in streams of aligned partials

the interesting thing is that encountering this system of plasma creates a duel state of the gases encounted

the other interesting effect would be that if this super liquid resists compression it must compress the space confined within the helio sphere
if you compress a sphere all forces directed inwards effects the presures instantly while the compression waves from the ocilation of the helio sphere travel from boundry to centre over time

thanks for the info




xploder

Always happy to help.

I am glad you used the term warp first introduced in the Star Trek sci-fi series which I am a huge fan of.
The idea discussed here really doesn't seem that it would be defying the physical laws as we know them. Since we see already a similar behavior in the properties of the phenomenon of cavitation, especially when gas masses and liquid masses interact with each other, I could see your idea as an expansion of the phenomenon of super cavitation in to the realm of high energy physics and behavior of ultra hot gas (plasma) in the interstellar medium. It doesn't look like physical laws would break, on the contrary more of their properties could be explored even further. It might simply be physics but not as we know it, yet... One good example of similar situation of unexpected behavior of existing laws is of course the nano-technology research.

It could be the case that we already reside and move inside a gaseous/magnetic envelope that we realize as the heliosphere that is RESPONSIBLE for the kinetic behavior of our solar system as a unit. It seems like a gentle force (voyager missions did not receive much damage after crossing its different outer layers) that at the same time has tremendous strength. The strength to propel our entire solar system.

We really have no knowledge of how fast our system and we inside it are traveling in to space, so it could very well be the case that we are in a continuous warp. Along with the rest of the other interstellar entities that we would wish to approach, of course..and we can't because they seem to travel at relative speeds..

What would happen if we used the properties of our locality and created a warp envelope (artificial heliosphere) inside the supposed warp envelope that we travel through the Cosmos? If this works, then we have solved the problem of super fast linear travel. Well, at least as far as FTL speeds go.. I think. but even then, everything is relative. Also maybe there are no other dimensions, but levels of compression of time and space as entities. Permanent ones, stable, fluctuating, decaying or increasing. Are there thresholds too?

We won't know until we try.